Focusless, targetless, 'leaderless' (FTL) setup.

[Boxor]

Hey,

When ya can't figure out, throw more money at it.

Last night I ordered my new i7/i5 mobo with an i5 processor and 8 gigs of ram along with two new video cards for my first ever SLI setup. I agree that ISBoxer is very easy to setup the FTL configuration. I kind of hate to lose my five monitor setup, but if that's what it takes.

What surprises is me though is that no one offers a service to help people out with stuff like this. I get Spugnort emails every Tuesday telling about upcoming changes and stuff. They're always pushing their leveling guides or PvP guides, or Instance guides. Somebody should throw in with a group like that and sell a service to help setup MB configurations.

The user sends in the names of all his toons, the computer configuration that he/she uses and they write all the configuration stuff needed to make it work. Hell, I'd spend 30 or 40 bucks for something like that. After a few customers, they'd have enough templates to where they could probably knock one out in quick order.

Boxor

[olipcs]

Hi Boxor,

first of all, sorry, that you couldn't get it working.
If you look into this thread, you can see, that in the beginning of the FTL I realy tryed to help people get it running, but although the first implementation of an FTL was for keyclone, it is not the easiest to setup for an ftl, because of how you have to setup the hotkeys.

Although I know, that reading the long thread, and getting the right informations, is not easy, because, when this thread was posted, it wasn't ment as a guide but as an idea/first implementation of a 'new' targeting system, and from this thread the idea evolved and was shaped...

.. this was one of the reasons, why i tryed to compile some informations about the FTL in the Wiki (see my sig), so that it is easier to find. I know the thread is not realy well structured, a little outdatet and needs an revision, but you need to cut some slack here, since this is not my day-to-day-job.

I admit, that I myself at sometime didn'T supported using keyclone for an ftl, which was, because I transitioned to HKN. This was because of two reasons:

- I realy didn't liked how you nedd to setup hotstrings in keyclone (It was a mess to do it, and a real mess, if to help people with)
- Keyclone didn't support ralt,rctrl,rshift-correctly

So my focus went from keyclone to HKN so I began to implement FTL-Templates for HKN, which normaly simply get copied. I think the Templates work quite good, and that they are quite a good start for ftl-beginners.

With that, for myself I lay the basic to support an FTL on the software-front, because with the combination of:

- HKN beeing free
- Templates which mostly can be copied
- Simple bebugging/helping, because of HKN beeing a Script-Language, so that everybody can simple show their script to get support
- A HKN general guide

..a foundation was there to get an FTL working quick and helping other easy.

What was missing was an ingame macro-button-support. To help with the macortrouble.

This I added with the JambaFTL-Modul, so that creating an assist and Follow-Button is realy easy, and reacting on Team-Changing is simple.

So honestly, when I see what you realy want:

So to get to the end of this massive post... What the hell is this guy raving at? I wish there was better documentation for Keyclone and other programs used by multi-boxers. It would be so good.

I can see your point, and I might say, that keyclone could be better documented (especialy for ftl) and that better documentations would be nice, but since my favorite solution of HKN + Jamba is both free (and IS probably don't need more docu since ftl is quite simple in it), I absolutly cut Jafula an Freddie some slack, since they already put quite a lot of time in projects, where they have no real monetary gain.

And for myself, which I would consider as someone who nows a little about FTL, I tried to do some good for the community by:

- Writting the FTL wiki entry (http://www.dual-boxing.com/wiki/inde...aderless_Setup )
- Helping setting up an FTL (in the beginning with keyclone, now with HKN)
- Writing HKN-FTL-Templates ( http://www.dual-boxing.com/showthread.php?t=17555 )
- Writing the JambaFTL-Module ( http://www.dual-boxing.com/showthread.php?t=23377 )
(Writting the general HKN-Guide: http://www.dual-boxing.com/showthread.php?t=16177 )

So honestly, all of this was quite time consuming and I did it mostly because I wanted to give something back to a community which gave me alot of information, give something back to Freddie for HKN and do something nice for JAMBA.

And to get to one of your points:

To be good in that job, I had two things, documentation and direct access to the programmers at any given time. I could read about processes and when needed, call somebody up and talk about it more.

For me its like this:
- Yes for keyclone there might be a gap of documentation, but for HKN and IS I think there realy is enough on this board
- When it comes to 'talking to the programmers' - All of them are frequently on this board, and can be contacted per PM or Chat, so I see no point here.

And to get this to the end:
I personaly think, that I kept quite a good balance of taking-and-giving.

And to try to help you:
If you have problems with an FTL, feel free to ask me any question.

[Boxor]

Oplics,

You are one of those that I say thank you to for taking your time and trying to help others. It really is the whole lack of documentation thing that bothers me. Maybe you should offer a MB setup service like I mentioned in another post. Make some money and help people out.

And I also greatly appreciate the time that all of the other modders take to provide great addons like Jamba.

Boxor

[PineBeach]

Based on other posts in the thread, I have made the following script fragment for HKN, since my hand is always hovering around the wasd keys I assigned it to the "`" key which on my keyboard is right next to the "1" key

//-----------------------------------------------------------
// Hotkey: Oem8 Follow the active window 
//-----------------------------------------------------------
<Hotkey Oem8>
    <If ActiveWinIs WoW1>
        <SendLabel w2, w3, w4, w5>
        <Key ctrl Oem6>
    <Else If ActiveWinIs WoW2>
        <SendLabel w1, w3, w4, w5>
        <Key alt Oem6>
    <Else>
        <DoHotKey Hotkey NumLockOn Alt Ctrl Shift Oem8>
    <EndIf>
<Hotkey NumLockOn Alt Ctrl Shift Oem8>
    <If ActiveWinIs WoW3>
        <SendLabel w1, w2, w4, w5>
        <Key shift Oem6>
    <Else If ActiveWinIs WoW4>
        <SendLabel w1, w2, w3, w5>
        <Key ctrl alt Oem6>
    <Else>
        <SendLabel w1, w2, w3, w4>
        <Key ctrl shift Oem6>
    <EndIf>

In WOW I created a character specific macro called "TargetMyFriend"

You can substitute C1, C2, C3, C4 and C5 with your character names.

Character 1 (C1) "TargetMyFriend"

 
/target [nomod:ctrl,mod:alt,nomod:shift,target=C2] [nomod:ctrl,nomod:alt,mod:shift,target=C3] [mod:ctrl,mod:alt,nomod:shift,target=C4] [nomod:alt,mod:ctrl,mod:shift,target=C5]

Character 2 (C2) "TargetMyFriend"

 
/target [mod:ctrl,nomod:alt,nomod:shift,target=C1] [nomod:ctrl,nomod:alt,mod:shift,target=C3] [mod:ctrl,mod:alt,nomod:shift,target=C4] [nomod:alt,mod:ctrl,mod:shift,target=C5]

Character 3 (C3) "TargetMyFriend"

 
/target [mod:ctrl,nomod:alt,nomod:shift,target=C1] [nomod:ctrl,mod:alt,nomod:shift,target=C2] [mod:ctrl,mod:alt,nomod:shift,target=C4] [nomod:alt,mod:ctrl,mod:shift,target=C5]
/follow

Character 4 (C4) "TargetMyFriend"

 
/target [mod:ctrl,nomod:alt,nomod:shift,target=C1] [nomod:ctrl,mod:alt,nomod:shift,target=C2] [nomod:ctrl,nomod:alt,mod:shift,target=C3] [nomod:alt,mod:ctrl,mod:shift,target=C4]

Character 5 (C5) "TargetMyFriend"

 
/target [mod:ctrl,nomod:alt,nomod:shift,target=C1] [nomod:ctrl,mod:alt,nomod:shift,target=C2] [nomod:ctrl,nomod:alt,mod:shift,target=C3] [mod:ctrl,mod:alt,nomod:shift,target=C4]

I created a non character specific macro called "RestoreMyTarget"

 
/notarget
/targetlasttarget

I assign the "TargetMyFriend" macro to MultiBarRightButton1 and the "RestoreMyTarget" macro to MultiBarRightButton2

I then created a non character specific macro called "FollowFriend"

 
/click MultiBarRightButton1
/follow
/click MultiBarRightButton2

I used the following commands at the console to save the key binding for each "FollowFriend" Macro as the "]" key

 
/script SetBindingMacro("]", "FollowFriend") 
/script SaveBindings(GetCurrentBindingSet())

Now I can press "`" over the active window to make the other characters follow the active character.

To facilitate spell casting from the background windows I create a macro like the following for each spell.

 
#showtooltip Frostbolt
/click MultiBarRightButton1
/cast [harm, nodead] Frostbolt; [harm, target=targettarget, exists] Frostbolt
/click MultiBarRightButton2

The following HKN script fragment was required to ensure that the correct key presses were transmitted

 
<KeyList TheKeyList 0-9, Plus, Minus>
// send the key list to all windows
<Hotkey TheKeyList>
    <If ActiveWinIs WoW1>
        <SendLabel w2, w3, w4, w5>
        <Key ctrl %Trigger%>
        <SendLabel w1>
        <Key %Trigger%>
    <Else If ActiveWinIs WoW2>
        <SendLabel w1, w3, w4, w5>
        <Key alt %Trigger%>
        <SendLabel w2>
        <Key %Trigger%>
    <Else>
        <DoHotKey Hotkey NumLockOn Alt Ctrl Shift %Trigger%>
    <EndIf>
<Hotkey NumLockOn Alt Ctrl Shift TheKeyList>
    <If ActiveWinIs WoW3>
        <SendLabel w1, w2, w4, w5>
        <Key shift %TriggerMainKey%>
        <SendLabel w3>
        <Key %TriggerMainKey%>
    <Else If ActiveWinIs WoW4>
        <SendLabel w1, w2, w3, w5>
        <Key ctrl alt %TriggerMainKey%>
        <SendLabel w4>
        <Key %TriggerMainKey%>
    <Else>
        <SendLabel w1, w2, w3, w4>
        <Key ctrl shift %TriggerMainKey%>
        <SendLabel w5>
        <Key %TriggerMainKey%>
    <EndIf>

Here is the complete HKN script that I use http://pastebin.com/CAqpL7K2

It includes a window swapping mechanism that I use to set the main window, be warned that if you use this script it requires a screen resolution of 2560x1600, it also requires that wow is configured to use a resolution of 720x576. It should be easy enough to alter it for different resolutions, if you do that then make sure you change the position of the indicator icons that are created in the bottom right of the screen to indicate wether active window tracking is enabled or if HotKeys are enabled. You can find the positioning code on lines 170 and 152 of the pastebin script.

[olipcs]

Hi Boxor,

sorry, I think you got me on the wrong foot on monday morning. Somehow I felt the need to explain myself....

..as for offering 'configuration' as a service, well on the one hand for me MB is still a hobby and I like to keep it that way. And on the other hand english is not my nativ language, and i'm not living in the US (and already have a job), so I'm not the perfect person for the job

...but all of this, doesn't realy fix your FTL-problem, so if you still wan'T to get your FTL running, I'm glad to help, simply say where the specific problems are.

And if you might want to consider of trying HKN out (which is realy well documentet and free, and can work with multiple pcs easy) for this, I think I can get you running quite fast.

For that, to give you a good starting script the following infos would be great:

- Numbers of PCs to use and their IPs
- How many WoWs on which pc, startet from which directory
- Screen resolutions
- Which keys you want to broadcast normaly (like in keyclone)
- Which keys to use for ftl...

[Emo?]

Very nice, all is working for me exept one problem.

I use ur system and have "pass only hotstrings" ON (ie. i have binded all buttons to hotstrings that i whant to be sent ingame). But when i cast for example frost shock (Shift+4) my slaved enters like a "shift-state" and then i need to press some "shift-spell" again to make them come out of it. If i dont press like frost shock again, they wont cast ANY normal spells, only "shift+" ones.
What is my problem and how can i solve it?

Best regards.

[olipcs]

What is my problem and how can i solve it?

-Honestly I have no Idea how to fix this, but since it seems to be an Issue with keyclone itself, and not directly FTL related, you might have more luck, of getting help, by posting this in a sepperate thread, or asking rob per PM, because so the Keyclone-Gurus will better find your questions.

[Emo?]

ok il try that. Thanks

[v1rgo]

Okay so to start this out i already use AHK, and Keyclone, but i would like to use this and i cant figure out what you are talking about, what is a hotstring?

You then make the following hotstrings, you'll need 5 per character per spell.

ToonA:

2 --> LBAT
Ctrl-alt-] --> LBBT
Alt-Shift-] --> LBCT
Ctrl-Alt-Shift-] --> LBDT
Ctrl-] --> LBET

ToonB:

Ctrl-Shift-] --> LBAT
2 --> LBBT
Alt-Shift-] --> LBCT
Ctrl-Alt-Shift-] --> LBDT
Ctrl-] --> LBET

ToonC:

Ctrl-Shift-] --> LBAT
Ctrl-alt-] --> LBBT
2 --> LBCT
Ctrl-Alt-Shift-] --> LBDT
Ctrl-] --> LBET

ToonD:

Ctrl-Shift-] --> LBAT
Ctrl-alt-] --> LBBT
Alt-Shift-] --> LBCT
2 --> LBDT
Ctrl-] --> LBET

ToonE:

Ctrl-Shift-] --> LBAT
Ctrl-alt-] --> LBBT
Alt-Shift-] --> LBCT
Ctrl-Alt-Shift-] --> LBDT
2 --> LBET

i get the jist of it but what do i do with this? i know how to use macros but i'm lost at this point... anyone here also play on Neverendless and know which addons work for the ui? my xperl broke at the last update they did with it

[alfa]

is there a keyclone key file example ?