Focusless, targetless, 'leaderless' (FTL) setup.

[olipcs]

I'm trying to find the bit about using hotkeynet in an FTL setup, but haven't found it using search yet

Sorry, I forgot to fix the links in the HotkeyNet-Guide-Sticky.
Here they are:

Implementing an FTL quite simple with templates

and one specific example:
I need an FTL mentor :/

[Twyman]

someone please help

I have been working on this for DAYS and I can not get this FTL system to work.


My KeyMaps are:

Toon 1
Description -----------------------> Twymana (Shammy)
2 -------------------------------------> LBAT
RCTRL+RALT+2 ----------------> LBBT
RSHIFT+RALT+2 ---------------> LBCT
RSHIFT+RCTRL+RALT+2 ---> LBDT
RCTRL+2 -------------------------> LBET

text file
Twymana (Shammy)
k(50.0.0):hs(LBAT)
k(50.8.8):hs(LBET)
k(50.34.34):hs(LBCT)
k(50.40.40):hs(LBBT)
k(50.42.42):hs(LBDT)

Toon 2
Description -----------------------> Twymanb (Shammy)
RSHIFT+RCTRL+2 -------------> LBAT
2 -------------------------------------> LBBT
RSHIFT+RALT+2 ---------------> LBCT
RSHIFT+RCTRL+RALT+2 ---> LBDT
RCTRL+2 -------------------------> LBET

text file
Twymanb (Shammy)
k(50.0.0):hs(LBBT)
k(50.8.8):hs(LBET)
k(50.10.10):hs(LBAT)
k(50.34.34):hs(LBCT)
k(50.42.42):hs(LBDT)

Toon 3
Description -----------------------> Twymanc (Shammy)
RSHIFT+RCTRL+2 -------------> LBAT
RCTRL+RALT+2 ----------------> LBBT
2 -------------------------------------> LBCT
RSHIFT+RCTRL+RALT+2 ---> LBDT
RCTRL+2 -------------------------> LBET

text file
Twymanc (Shammy)
k(50.0.0):hs(LBCT)
k(50.8.8):hs(LBET)
k(50.10.10):hs(LBAT)
k(50.40.40):hs(LBBT)
k(50.42.42):hs(LBDT)

Toon 4
Description -----------------------> Twymand (Shammy)
RSHIFT+RCTRL+2 -------------> LBAT
RCTRL+RALT+2 ----------------> LBBT
RSHIFT+RALT+2 ---------------> LBCT
2 -------------------------------------> LBDT
RCTRL+2 -------------------------> LBET

text file
Twymand (Shammy)
k(50.0.0):hs(LBDT)
k(50.8.8):hs(LBET)
k(50.10.10):hs(LBAT)
k(50.34.34):hs(LBCT)
k(50.40.40):hs(LBBT)

Toon 5
Description -----------------------> Twymane (Shammy)
RSHIFT+RCTRL+2 -------------> LBAT
RCTRL+RALT+2 ----------------> LBBT
RSHIFT+RALT+2 ---------------> LBCT
RSHIFT+RCTRL+RALT+2 ---> LBDT
2 -------------------------------------> LBET

text file
Twymane (Shammy)
k(50.0.0):hs(LBET)
k(50.10.10):hs(LBAT)
k(50.34.34):hs(LBCT)
k(50.40.40):hs(LBBT)
k(50.42.42):hs(LBDT)

I have loaded the Keymap into the WoW app within Keyclone (Toon 1 to WoW 1, Toon 2 to WoW 2 and so on) (Toon 2 and 3 are on computer 2) ( Toon 4 and 5 are on computer 3)

I have unbound all forms of Alt, Ctrl, Shift, + 2 within each toons keybindings

I have created 5 macros (1 for each toon) and placed then in the number 2 spot on each toon

here is the Macro i used (note: i am using mages to test out this system even though the description of the keymaps say shammy)

/target [mod:ctrl,mod:shift,nomod:alt,target=Twymana][mod:ctrl,mod:alt,nomod:shift,target=Twymanb][mod:alt,mod:shift,nomod:ctrl,target=Twymanc][mod:ctrl,mod:alt,mod:shift,target=Twymand][mod:ctrl,nomod:alt,nomod:shift,target=Twymane]
/cast [mod,target=targettarget,harm][nomod] Fireball
/targetlasttarget [mod]

I can cast on the main screen when i push 2 but the slaves do not cast, i can hold down Ctrl+Shift+2 and all the slaves will cast on the mains target but then the main does not cast. When i hit Alt, Shift or Control, i can see the macro icon change from the fireball to a "?". Any help you could pass along would be very appreciated.

[Pocalypse]

Unless something has changed recently, right/left alt and right/left ctrl do not work correctly in keyclone. If I remember correctly, it had trouble sending right modifiers across machines, and converts them to left ones even on the same machine.

Try switching your keymaps from right modifiers to left modifiers.

Based on what you said and examples you gave, the problem isn't in wow, so it has to be that keyclone isn't sending the correct keys. However, apart from using right modifiers, I can't see anything else wrong with your keymaps.

[Boxor]

I've spent a couple of days trying to get FTL working on my three computers. Using one example in "very" long sticky I was finally able to get a dual box setup working using FTL.

I believe I'm going to stick with a very simple FL setup though in order to do PVE content and to minimize the work on swaps and subs.

However, I cannot figure how to just do a simple five man FL setup. There are so many setups that people are talking about, trying, etc. in the sticky and the old links are still referenced so I cannot find a simple example of such a setup. I can't figure out the matching of the Modifier key to use and the appropriate macro to pick up the modifers.

Five toons, ToonA, ToonB, ToonC, ToonD, ToonE.

For follow I'm using the "-" (minus) key.
On computer one, I'm using:

- -> follow.toonA
LALT - -> follow.toonB


On computer two, I'm using:
- -> follow.toonB
LCTRL - -> follow.toonA

On both computers, mapped to a macro with the "-" key assigned to it, I've got the following macro:

/target [mod:ctrl,nomod:shift,nomod:alt,target=ToonB] [nomod:ctrl,mod:alt,nomod:shift,target=ToonA]


It works great, but I just don't know how to expand it out to control five characters. I think if I can just get the follow setup down, I'll be able to do the Assist. Can anyone please assist?

And BTW, you guys that figured all this out must be some kind of damn genius' or something. I'm just a hardware guy. I think if I can't figure this out, I'm just gonna fork out a billion bucks to upgrade a single machine to a computing monster in order to use an ISOBoxer setup.

[IngeniusV3]

Ok, I have keyclone, and I am trying to dual-box, but this is confusing to me... Could someone tell me step-by-step what to do?

[TheFallenOne]

You have the right idea, you just need to expand it to work with 5 toons instead of 2.

First, before I explain how to do that, I would highly recommend (since I got frustrated and had to redo all of my things and discovered it's much easier to do this off the bat) using RCTRL and RALT instead of LCTRL and LALT, and then differentiate between left and right modifiers in macros. This will let you use left ctrl/alt/shift for modifiers in macros (for instance, LALT+3 casts Cone of Cold and just 3 casts Arcane Explosion on my mages). You'll run out of keys in a hurry without modifier keys available.

Now! First, for 5 characters, you need to assign a modifier key (or a unique combination of them) to each toon. For me, I used:

Toon 1: RALT
Toon 2: RCTRL
Toon 3: RSHIFT
Toon 4: RALT + RCTRL
Toon 5: RCTRL + RSHIFT

You also still have RALT+RSHIFT and RALT + RSHIFT + RCTRL available. If you plan on using more than 7 toons, you *can* use the left modifiers as well, but as mentioned above, I'd recommend against it.

Setup all of these keys as you did with your follow.toonA and follow.toonB hotkeys you mentioned in your post, you had these right.

Now, setup two macros (I use the Jamba addon which, using the FTL assist tool, makes these for me, but you can do it manually), one for targeting the current leader and one for assisting. Don't forget to replace Toon1, Toon2, etc. with the toon names!

Target:
/target [mod:ralt,nomod:rshift,nomod:rctrl] Toon1; [nomod:ralt,nomod:rshift,mod:rctrl] Toon2; [nomod:ralt,mod:rshift,nomod:rctrl] Toon3; [mod:ralt,nomod:rshift,nomod:rctrl] Toon4; [nomod:ralt,mod:rshift,mod:rctrl] Toon5

Assist:
/assist [mod:ralt,nomod:rshift,nomod:rctrl] Toon1; [nomod:ralt,nomod:rshift,mod:rctrl] Toon2; [nomod:ralt,mod:rshift,nomod:rctrl] Toon3; [mod:ralt,nomod:rshift,nomod:rctrl] Toon4; [nomod:ralt,mod:rshift,mod:rctrl] Toon5


Put these in the same spot on the action bar on all the toons. Preferrably on one of the action bars off to the side, that you don't have keys bound to, like the right action bar.

Now that all the toons have those macros on a spot on an action bar, setup this macro on your MAIN toon and temporarily bind it to a key:

/run ChatFrame1:AddMessage(GetMouseFocus():GetName())

Move your mouse over your newly created Target button on the action bar and use the macro you just added. It should output the name of the button into your chat frame. Do the same for your Assist button. Write these names down.

Now you can setup your actual DPS and support buttons! Here's some sample macros. Remember to replace "TargetButton" and "AssistButton" with the names of the button you found just a second ago:

FOLLOW MACRO:
/click TargetButton
/follow

LIGHTNING BOLT MACRO:
/click AssistButton
/cast [harm] Lightning Bolt


PULL MACRO (This will only be cast by the current leader as he's the only one that will have no modifiers passed in):
/cast [harm,nomod:ralt,nomod:rshift,nomod:rctrl] Avenger's Shield


FADE MACRO (This will be used by all toons other than the current leader, since they will have a mod passed in):
/cast [mod:ralt] [mod:rshift] [mod:rctrl] Fade



Hopefully that helped. With any luck, that should get you well on your way. Feel free to ask if you have any more questions!


I'd also highly recommend downloading Jamba. It makes all of this, including managing macros on multiple toons, incredibly easy. Follow strobing is a godsend!

[Boxor]

Thank you very much! I'll start working this and see if I can make it happen.

[Boxor]

Screw it. I just cannot get this shit to work. I just cannot adequately describe the amount of frustration I have from trying to get this to work.

I'm not an idiot. I have years of experience in the Army working with "systems." Electronics, hydraulics, computers... it's not all that hard really when you have "GOOD" documentation. By good documentation I mean schematics, flow processes, etc. to explain to technicians how things work.

The engineers that made the Air Defense systems that I worked on were really good. They used tons of technology to make these fine tools of war. Heat sensing and/or radar guided shit to blow up planes to deal out death and chaos for the enemy. The engineers were genius', but it all comes down to the guy out in the field to fix it when it breaks. To do that the Army gives the technicians great tools such as the aforementioned schematics, flow processes, etc.

The problem I have with this setup is that there is hardly any documentation for Keyclone. Granted, there are whole sections of this website dedicated to Keyclone, but the bulk of it is not from Rob, the author, it's from other guys like Rob (whom I equate to code guys or an engineer) that have the same type of background as Rob and can figure this shit out.

I get macros. There are tons of web pages out there that go into crazy detail about how macros work. (As a side note, there are many that are based on older versions of WoW that are no longer applicable and so are no longer pertinent and thus more frustrating) I get simple mindless passing of keys, white list, black list, strict, etc...

What I don't get is about the other 85% of Keyclone's capabilities. To me, this is a damn shame because it's obvious that several users have figured out the other stuff... You guys are the engineers... the code guys. You are not the end users like me and probably 99% of the other users.

Because of that, I believe that we 99% of the users will eventually give up on the more complex side of WoW multi-boxing. PVE instances require a lot of shit. I don't believe anyone doubts that. I believe the FTL setup is that key requirement. Why? Because I've done enough raiding with a solo toon to know that the use of the FOCUS system is a critical component. As a warlock in many raids, I had to use focus for banishing targets quickly without having to do a bunch of re-targeting to keep up required dps. So we must have a focus-less setup in order to have slaves use focus.

Now, in all truth (for those naysayers who will always troll the forums to share their negativity) you don't have to have a FTL setup to run an instance because you can write all your macros and do all your shit using a tank as your main means of control. Always have the DPS assisting the mains while you use focus as needed for CC. This is what I've been doing with a lot of success. However, it's the transition between raiding with the need for a FTL system and normal questing on the outside not requiring a FTL system. A simple focus system is great for just mindlessly running around killing mobs and doing collection quests. I don't do PvP or Arena PvP to know what is needed most for those systems (nor do I care) but I'm sure it's one of the two aforementioned setups or yet another variant.

When I got out of the Army I worked with a Web Based type search engine used in the Army to help located needed parts to help expedite repairing equipment. It was great, the soldiers loved it. One of my main functions in the job was to work as the middle man between the programmers (mostly oracle guys) and the end users. I had to help the end users understand the program for them to best be able to use it's advanced capabilities (think macros and stuff like that) but also to help the programmers add such capabilities based on the end users needs. Programmers understand programming and end users understood maintenance and supply methods used by the Army. Both had to follow the rules of the other. When needed, I wrote the documentation for the end users and technicians to be able to understand the more complex capabilities.

To be good in that job, I had two things, documentation and direct access to the programmers at any given time. I could read about processes and when needed, call somebody up and talk about it more.

Those resources don't exist in this Multi-Boxing world. These forums supply a little of that, but it's not the same... These pages are full of old information based on previous versions, questions from users, advice from users and now and then those golden nuggets of information from guys like Pocalypse and Deceased who help other users figure out stuff.

So whose the loser in all of this? Well me and the other 99% of the users who can't figure the shit out. But more importantly, Keyclone and other great programs to help the sport are the losers. To site some examples... JAMBA and ISBoxer.

You guys that write these programs... you are fucking genius' when it comes to code. I give you Kudo's to the n'th degree on your ability to write code that meshes with WoW. Lord knows I bet you didn't have a lot of good guides when it came to figuring out the intricacies of WoW. But you can't write documentation for you own programs for shit.

ISBoxer works great on a single machine. If you're running a single machine, you are good to go. If you run ISBoxer on multiple machines, it takes a code guru to figure it out. Yeah, I've been pointed to the website that supposedly lays this all out for you... more forums stuff... no real documentation.

JAMBA. Great damn program... but again, 90% of the capabilites will never be used because they aren't documented enough. The guy that writes JAMBA at least provides his work for free so I can't bitch at all. If it's free and if I can't figure it out... Hey, that's on me. I'd pay you for it if you had better documentation. lol

I (personally) believe in paying for a good thing. When I first started multiboxing, I paid for KAVOOM to use as a software KVM for multiple systems. I now use Input Director which is free, but I sent the guy who wrote it 25 bucks because I love it. I'd like to send him a 100 bucks because I think it's worth it, but I'm being cheap so I can buy more hardware.

So to get to the end of this massive post... What the hell is this guy raving at? I wish there was better documentation for Keyclone and other programs used by multi-boxers. It would be so good.

/end rant

Thank you to all of you who take the time to share your experience and tips to the rest of the world. I love you all. It's now time for me to go do something else for a while. I have to go on poop patrol in my backyard for my three dogs and then I'm going to work on my dirt bike a little and go riding with some friends. Please excuse any grammatical errors I might have made as I was in mindless rage during the writing of this post and I am not going to read it again to make sure it's correct.

[Ualaa]

I'd put myself in a similar category, I'm smarter then most people I know, at least at things like mathematics, memory, english, spelling etc. (still do lots of typo's)..

I can follow quite a bit of the keymap/hotstrings for the FTL, but could not quite get it to work. It got a bit frustrating, so I eventually decided on the no focus manifesto, because that's basically macros entirely, which are easy to follow and adapt.

One of the big selling points for IS Boxer was automatic FTL. Just check some boxes during set up, which use modifiers on three premade keymaps. You can freely use all the modifiers you want in all other macros, without interfering with the FTL.

Having used FTL from ISB, its definitely worth having.

[Iceorbz]

If im in chat you need help with FTL hit me up, ive used it on both Keyclone and IS.

I actualy have a keyclone FTL setup for shamans in my signature that you can follow along with to.