I am sorry but PiP fails and needs an over haul.

[Tasty]

As for my company it has no relevance to this post.

Then why mention it? I'm just curious thats all.

Talking to me like I am some idiot is piss poor customer support btw. I run my company based off good customer support and it is paramount.

vs

I am not some dildo 14 year old kid with nothing better to do than bitch.

Is what makes it interesting. Also I haven't heard anyone use dildo as an insult since I was back in high school...

[Phelon]

Is what makes it interesting. Also I haven't heard anyone use dildo as an insult since I was back in high school...

Im old by gamer standards.

[Naysayer]

gtfo . you and your bots. tard.

botters are scum.

Sadly most of the WoW community think the same of multiboxxers. I also do not use Keyclone to bot. I use it to hand play. As for my company it has no relevance to this post.

As for the one helpful post all the aspect ratios are the same and at 800x600 so 4:3. All the settings are the same except some windows are smaller on the secondary window. The problem lies with in the Desktop Windows Manager and how Keyclone switches windows. After a few switches it will start to lag almost to the point if becomes about unusable 7-10fps. Once Windows Desktop Manager is restarted there is no longer a issue. As for the resizing of windows on my other machines. I resize and relocate on my desktop according to how many clients I use.

Things to add to this I am using Vista 64 Ultimate. All device drivers are up to date.

I switch screens through PiP at least 15-20 times a BG, and I BG for hours at a time.

Maybe you should cry more about how it's PiP's fault your bot fails and maybe the Truth Fairy will make it so.

[Phelon]

gtfo . you and your bots. tard.

botters are scum.

Sadly most of the WoW community think the same of multiboxxers. I also do not use Keyclone to bot. I use it to hand play. As for my company it has no relevance to this post.

As for the one helpful post all the aspect ratios are the same and at 800x600 so 4:3. All the settings are the same except some windows are smaller on the secondary window. The problem lies with in the Desktop Windows Manager and how Keyclone switches windows. After a few switches it will start to lag almost to the point if becomes about unusable 7-10fps. Once Windows Desktop Manager is restarted there is no longer a issue. As for the resizing of windows on my other machines. I resize and relocate on my desktop according to how many clients I use.

Things to add to this I am using Vista 64 Ultimate. All device drivers are up to date.

I switch screens through PiP at least 15-20 times a BG, and I BG for hours at a time.

Maybe you should cry more about how it's PiP's fault your bot fails and maybe the Truth Fairy will make it so.

Did you fail reading comprehension in school or just not there yet? But lets not get off topic. Anyone have any ideas?

More info back for the helpful post. I made sure all settings are the same there were a few off like environmental detail. This cleared up some of the issues. Going to continue testing and see if that works out the problems. It very well might lie in the minor differences in the game clients. All the resolutions texture resolutions etc were the same it was that one minor thing that may have caused it. So far no lag the screen still ends up in the wrong place but can't be perfect i suppose. The lag is at least gone. Guess we have to wait for it to get polished a bit more. Till then its now bearable. I will put the sandy vag away for now.

Thanks for the insight Awbee.

EDIT: Didn't fix the problem still after about 30 minutes and a switch it gave lag till i restarted desktop windows manager.

[Wilbur]

Quit all the bitching at each other.

[Otlecs]

Phelon, the problem is in your delivery. You come across as an arrogant foot-stamper and got treated as such. That's the way of the world.

Running your own company, I'm sure you recognise that managing relationships (not just customer service) is actually key to making a company work, and that has to go in all directions - including your suppliers. That just didn't come across in your initial post, which means the thread got derailed by indignant members of the community in which you find yourself.

And that's a real shame, because the problem you report is similar to one my wife's been experiencing on her two-screen setup, and I was hoping for something more constructive than this. I will get her to try the DWM restart though - that's something we hadn't tried.

The only difference between your reported problems and hers is that she doesn't get the "warning lag" you're talking about. The window pops over to screen 1 ok, then sometimes just refuses to go back to screen 2, and that continues until we restart KC.

The number of swaps doesn't seem to make much difference, and neither did questioning the parenthood of the PC, randomly cursing, praying or bashing the keyboard 8|

edit: I see the question has been re-phrased more appropriately over here so I'll look there for the constructive stuff.

[Ifalna]

Would not want to be seen giving a botter any kind of assistance on this forum, whatsoever.

The problem here is if it is an actual valid problem, it needs to be resolved. Which means the waster does actually get help, unless all done in pm's which is hardly doable.

[Phelon]

here[/url] so I'll look there for the constructive stuff.

Oltecs: The way to get it to pop back over I found with out restarting is to open keyclone set up and then re click apply it will stick it back for you. Granted the delivery was harsh but seeing a product sold as finished when it is clearly not was my complaint. Hell I own 2 copies of this software it isn't that I don't like it, it is that I expected a polished product, not one that causes me frustration. The lag thing I dont get and I am going to play with it some more today and see if I can fix it and report back.

[keyclone]

keyclone has been getting updated since it was first released 2 years ago. i was averaging a new release every 3 weeks for about a year... until v1.8k (RL work getting in the way a bit). this is why you get all updates for free. i take suggestions and input... and adjust accordingly.

... i will put pip on the list to see if i can find a performance improvement for the next release

[Vyndree]

I realize much of the conversation is over at this point, but I wanted to make one thing clear.

[quote='Phelon',index.php?page=Thread&postID=101312 #post101312]Sadly most of the WoW community think the same of multiboxxers. [/quote]

You may THINK the community, in general, puts multiboxers in the same boat as botters.

But the truth is, [url='http://www.dual-boxing.com/wiki/index.php/GM_Conversations']multiboxing is not against the ToU[/url]. Botting is.


We'd rather NOT be associated with botting, and that's why we get so huffy when you drop the b-word on OUR turf. You're contributing to the problem by dragging it here.

Botting and multiboxing are not in any way related, and we'd like to keep it that way.