Multiboxing and twinking - How much prejudice will I encounter.

[Naysayer]

I've not had a great deal of luck with guilds (either pve or pvp).

They invariably seem to be full of inactives (With next to no one on). heck my own guild has been slowly dying off over a period of months, to the point where I only keep it going so me and my kids have a massive shared bank facility.

I have hestiated about running in premades. My experience of them has been on the receiving end only which with a mixed team was generally a complete whitewash. Unfortunately when I did encounter a premade I've seen them do 2 quick flag caps, then sit either at the bottom of the graveyard with the third flag (which at least shows some honour) or graveyard camping. Personally If the battle was overwhelmingly one sided like that I wouldn't be getting any enjoyment from it even if i was on the winning team.

Does anyone have experience in premades - what sort of percentages of your battles turn out to be premade vs premade?

I guess I should try it and see myself - as battlegroups may vary widely.

Thanks for the suggestion.

Well, ever since group queuing for AV was implemented Blizzard also added a system that really does a good job of matching premade vs premade. It's not very popular among premade mostly because the majority of premades were looking for that easy win and not really interested in facing other premades. So, the people looking for easy wins just stopped creating premades because they weren't easy wins anymore and lots of the legit premades looking for good fights have to sit in queue for quite a bit now while the system tries to match them against another premade, but if the wait begins to get too long it will just throw them against a pug with a small amount of pregrouped characters (think dualboxers and friends who group). This is bad news for those "easy win" guys, but great news for people who are actually looking for a premade vs premade, which I've seen every so often posted by twink guilds in the battlegroup forums. Get about 3-4 twink guilds queuing as premades, post the epic battles on the forums, more twink guilds arise or join current teams for more premade teams and that's a pretty sweet deal. The system is there now, and I'm sure there are a few leugues already going. Maybe I'll go look in the forums and see if I can find a decent example.

[Old Dirty Bathtub]

What is twinking, really? And when do you cross the line from a well-geared toon into a twink?

I have a level 19 hunter with the full Fang set and Venomstrike and some okay enchants. He's not in optimal gear, he doesn't have the fishing hat with the +100 HP enchant, but he's still geared well enough to occasionally top PUG BG damage charts. With this level of gear he can best an "average" level 19 toon.

Is my little hunter in druid gear a twink? Or am I just making a minimal effort (a few hours of boosting in WC) to make my BG experience more competitive and enjoyable?

In my opinion, twinking is merely the process of going into a competitive situation with the best tools available. The fact that an average toon in raggedy quest reward greens will get smoked by a toon geared and talented specifically for PVP seems to be working as intended.

I also have a larger question about why non-twink 19s run BGs. But that's another story.

[Mamut]

To those saying its all about "owning" those with lesser gear, I think maybe you should check out your battlegroup forums and read the threads that are for the various brackets. Quite a few of the twinks are trying to organize premade games, they enjoy the competition of playing against other twinks. Yes i know some people its all about owning the new players, they are the same people with a 70 rogue in the guild "mayor of darkshire" sitting in darkshire ganking noobs, then laughing at there awesome battle prowess.

Hard to imagine i know. Some people don't like the grind for new gear every time a new arena season comes around, or a new expansion.

I dont have any twinks currently but i used to play some in the past and i know the most fun i had was when it was a full twink vs twink wsg. If the opposing factions twinks were not queueing then we would stop aswell, since its not much fun owning the new players all day long.


I say good luck with your twinks. Every game is harder for the new players that join 3 years in. Ever play AC and try to re roll on darktide? Or DAOC and rolling newbs on one of the dreds? Atleast in wow you dont have to queue up eh?

[Vyndree]

I think I took the anti twink hatred personally. I respect vyndree and naysayer a lot from their posts on the forum (don't alway agree with their opinions on all things) but I guess when you get a bit of flak from folks you respect it gets to you more.

Nah I wasn't giving you flak, I was giving some of the solo twink mentality flak for harassing multiboxers for making the low-end PvP brackets "unfair" when they should really look in the mirror.

In essence, they will want you out of "their" arena bracket because they feel you have an unfair advantage. However, if they were to look at twinked level 19's going up against non-twinked level 19's.... they're doing the exact same thing. They twink because they don't want competition -- they want easy kills without having to worry about skill -- it's all about gear. If you come in and make things challenging for them, they will QQ at you. No, it's not fair for them to do so. But they will anyway.

You see? Sorry if it came off like I didn't want you to twink, I just wanted to give you very clear expectations that you probably will get harassed by the twinks you kill. And, in my opinion, if/when they do QQ at you it will be very hypocritical for them to do so.

In any case, I wasn't making fun of you in the least -- I was making fun of the twinks you'll probably face in the future who don't actually want to work for their wins and would rather cry about how unfair it is than actually learn how to play.

[Dominian]

i dont see whats bad about twinking i often wonder wtf thoose guys with S3/s4 maxed out marks and honor do bgs for?

It feels just the same way as playing against twinks on a normal char.