[Keyclone] how to not get wiped when your main dies...

[excalibur]

this was an incredible help, i want to really thank the Op for this one, i have f8-f11 for pip and macros accordingly, and i cant believe how this is going to change my thinking on gathering/collecting quests as well as switching leader when my main goes down.

thanks heaps m8

[Gada�]

Because I run mages in my team (and therefore focus is generally being used for CC) I was trying to think of alternatives to this and I *think* there may be an easier way to do this but it hinges on whether there's a / command to set the group leader....

The theory is this - as it is I use /cast [target=party1] Big Spell of Doom in the majority of my macros. This gets the target from whoever is the party leader, so if there was a mechanism to allow you to make another member the party leader from whatever char is the party leader (a promote macro) then there would be no need to use focus for that purpose and none of the existing macros would need to be altered. No need to have /focus Bob, /focus Bob2, etc macros on the alts since the assist unitID (party1) never changes - who party1 is changes...

Anyway, it all still hangs on being able to /set leader Bob2 or whatever - without that it falls apart so if anyone knows if that is possible and how that would terribly helpful

[moji]

Oh great, now I gotta change everything, AGAIN....

lol jk, I didn't even know could do the pip thing, I really need to spend more time on these forums.
So after I take a few hours to figure it all out and set it up, man this is gonna be sweeeeet.

Keyclone rocks my socks, all 6 of em

[Poolboy]

Hey KC!

Your explanation is spot on. This is how Ive been doing things since day 1 (well day 1 of me using pip at least), I even go with F8-F12 as you used in your example.

My only suggestion here might be to further discuss what can be done to limit the screen lag when switching? Does anyone have any tips? In something like a big AV battle I would always expect to have some lag as a toon dies and I attempt to avoid tpwn by picking up the next focus in line... but currently I get roughly 5 seconds of freeze/lag/rendering? Is that standard? If I'm questing or in a remote area its near instant.

Q6600, 4gb ram, 8800GT, 2x 500gb 32mb cache drives, vista 32... have wows on seperate cores, 5 installs on 2nd drive, low gfx settings, no sound, etc etc

Just looking for some thoughts, maybe there's a simple tip or setup I'm skipping.

[keyclone]

yea, the screen lag really bums me out.. i have found it decreases with resolution and details

i just wish i could get a more 'official' word on what is happening when the screens are swapped
(hint.. hint... anyone in the know reading this, please drop me a note...)

[BigSmitty]

I've noticed that the rendering lag on mine happens because on my main computer I run 4 clients... 1 @ 1024 x 768 on the left of the screen and 3 800 x 600 clients along the right side of my monitor. The only thing I can think of is that the rendering between different aspect ratios could be causing it, but simple math shows that both those aspect ratios are 1.33333/1. So that's not it. Possibly a screen resizing. Also after switching PiP one time, you would think that there would be some way of "remembering" when the client goes from the 800x600 window to the 1024x768 window.

Just some random thoughts out loud. I use 5 separate installs (4 with all low/minimized graphics for MB and 1 at full screen, non windowed, flashy goodness for soloing), so it's not some sort of lag in processing. Could be the 8800GTS I'm using or even the overclocked AMD 5000+ BE processor.

[wougoose]

Because I run mages in my team (and therefore focus is generally being used for CC) I was trying to think of alternatives to this and I *think* there may be an easier way to do this but it hinges on whether there's a / command to set the group leader....

The theory is this - as it is I use /cast [target=party1] Big Spell of Doom in the majority of my macros. This gets the target from whoever is the party leader, so if there was a mechanism to allow you to make another member the party leader from whatever char is the party leader (a promote macro) then there would be no need to use focus for that purpose and none of the existing macros would need to be altered. No need to have /focus Bob, /focus Bob2, etc macros on the alts since the assist unitID (party1) never changes - who party1 is changes...

Anyway, it all still hangs on being able to /set leader Bob2 or whatever - without that it falls apart so if anyone knows if that is possible and how that would terribly helpful

There is a simple command for promoting:

/promote toonname

Just have it bound to the same key as your PiP switch, and you are good to go. Hope that helps

[Gada�]

Sweet - that simplifies the process completely then. No need for focus switch macros, just have all /cast [target=player1target] Xxxxxx and have your PiP switch key setup with an in game macro to /promote Bob2 if Bob1 dies, 25 macros become 5

PS found an 'offical' list of macro commands - not sure if others are already suing it or, like me, were just using http://www.wowwiki.com/macro as the main source of macro knowledge
http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/...dglossary.html

[Naysayer]

(i recently sent this in a email... and figured others would like to see it...)

you should also try to remove the concept of your 'main' from your head. there is no main... just the currently active one and your alts. don't get mentally tied to any one character (unless its a tank)... when the active dies, you will need to be able to switch over as fast as possible to continue the fight, or they are all dead.

this is where pip comes in. you have 2 things to set up. one in keyclone and the other in wow. in keyclone, set your pip hotkeys for each region (i'll assume f8-f12 for discussion... just never use shift/alt/ctrl with these keys.. in the heat of battle, fumbling a key is very likely). then, in wow, set up 5 macros in each wow (25 total)... they would set your focus and follow.
ie:
/focus joe
/follow focus

that would be a single macro, and you would have it on ALL your wows... and you would associate it with f8, being your first wow.
next:
/focus sam
/follow focus

sam is your 2nd wow... and set that to f9. repeat for all your wows... for a total of 25 macros on the exact same 5 keys as your pip swap.

if you do it right... and joe is in the main region... and gets killed... you hit f9 and joe will swap with sam.. and all your remaining alts will now be focused on sam and following him. this allows you to click on a new target with sam and fire.. with your alts following his direction.

i hope that makes sense. if not, just drop me a note.

I'm interested to find out how you move your main as you switch from PiP to PiP. I'm assuming you have WASD as your movement keys. So if your main has them set in his keybinds, how do you move your alt1 when you switch to him, and so-on for your other alts 3 through 5? If I switch from my main to my alt and I use the WASD keys to move it moves the original main of course, but not the current main i switched to. How did you work around not having to make a set of WASD keybinds for all your alts and still be able to move as efficient as the first?

edit:
Never mind, I'm just dumb. That's what "Do not pass" is for.
:whistling: :whistling: :whistling:

[keyclone]

actually, i generally move with mouse and keyboard. i use my arrows for keyboard driving (which is in the DNP) and mouse otherwise.

i tie ctrl+LBUTTON via the mouse-map to ctrl+= (my '/follow focus' hotkey).. and just ctrl+left click when i'm ready to move. then left+right to drive

when it gets sticky, i have WASDQE available to move all characters at once (QE used most .. strafing == very useful)