Hey thanks guy's :P now up and running with a 2 person shaman team still playing and tweeking the macros proveing a pain .. but lots of fun none the less :P im useing a one pc setup and desided to go with octopus ... i did however find octopus a real pain to set up as it's setup instructions are vague to say the least " http://octo.sourceforge.net/ " but got there in the end 8o wasnt that complex just the instructions that were ?( but now im up and running and happy to be a dual boxer :P thanks for the help guys