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    Default Win Trading

    According to blizzard blue

    There have been a number of questions recently on what exactly falls into the category of Win Trading in Arena matches, and therefore what is and is not considered acceptable, so we would like to provide some clarification on what is considered fair gameplay in Arena matches.

    The act of Win Trading may be described as the carrying out of premeditated plans to rise in arena rating by means of determining the outcome of a match prior or during its taking place. Win trading goes against the spirit of World of Warcraft and devalues the enjoyment of the game for all players who earn their victories by competing in a fair environment.

    Win Trading includes players tampering with, or otherwise abusing the queue system as well as colluding to enter into an arena match with a specific opposing team. In the case of arena collusion, we consider any situation where the standard queue possibilities are bypassed through an abuse of mechanics to be a violation of policy. This includes, but is not limited to, the act of tampering with one’s team roster with exploitive intentions as well as setting up a situation that bypasses the randomness of our queue system where a team has a specific and predetermined opponent and repeatedly faces that team. Queuing against a known and affiliated opponent gives a competitive advantage over players who are entering the queue at random. We have measures in place to take action against any account found to be using these practices to advance their characters.

    These described actions all fall in line with our fair use clause in the Terms of Use, which specifically states:

    Nonetheless, certain acts go beyond what is "fair" and are considered serious violations of these Terms of Use. Those acts include, but are not necessarily limited to, the following:
    1. Using or exploiting errors in design, features which have not been documented, and/or "program bugs" to gain access that is otherwise not available, or to obtain a competitive advantage over other players;


    With that being said we are aware that players will often face the same team multiple times in succession due to a lack of similarly rated teams in the queue. Naturally this is not in violation, nor should players worry if ever they happen upon a situation such as this, but we will invoke action against any team when the team in question creates an agreement to exchange matches or tamper with the queuing system. Regardless of the content of these games, this presents a conflict of interest that we wish to deter in order to keep our arena system competitive.

    In our continued efforts to support fair gameplay we have taken steps to ensure fair and enjoyable competition in the Arena by taking action on players who are found to be involved in Win Trading. Actions for violations may include not only penalties to the account but also confiscation of any gear that has been won if deemed necessary. Our Support staff will continue to enforce fair gameplay in Arena matches and all aspects of the game and will continue to address any new concerns to ensure that the playing field is kept fair.
    So for everyone out there that has 5 man teams just to lose your 10 a week is not against the rules... This is how i came to this

    The act of Win Trading may be described as the carrying out of premeditated plans to RISE in arena rating by means of determining the outcome of a match prior or during its taking place.
    Sense you are losing, even though you know the outcome (lose), but you are not RISING your rating. This seems like a gray area though.


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    Quote Originally Posted by 'Drizzit',index.php?page=Thread&postID=95849#post9 5849
    So for everyone out there that has 5 man teams just to lose your 10 a week is not against the rules... This is how i came to this


    The act of Win Trading may be described as the carrying out of premeditated plans to RISE in arena rating by means of determining the outcome of a match prior or during its taking place.
    Sense you are losing, even though you know the outcome (lose), but you are not RISING your rating. This seems like a gray area though.
    Some of us lose 10 games even if we try, so I think we're OK there .....

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    This won't stop full S4 geared players to start selling their team spots to "carry" buyers
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    Yea This is fair what i find to be annoying in arena is that the full veng/brut teams are starting new teams and staying in the 1500 bracet so its harder for us but later in the season it will be alot easier


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    Quote Originally Posted by 'Meathead',index.php?page=Thread&postID=95862#post 95862
    Yea This is fair what i find to be annoying in arena is that the full veng/brut teams are starting new teams and staying in the 1500 bracet so its harder for us but later in the season it will be alot easier
    I don't believe that they can do this any longer. Matches aren't based on team rating, it's based on the highest personal rating. This used to frustrate me to no end. Trying to climb out of the 1500 bracket when going up against players in high end pvp gear was near impossible.

    I always thought (and still do) that points awarded should be based on the gear teams are wearing rather than the rating of the team. I think teams in blues and purples should get more points if they beat a team in full purples and vice versa. That would properly implement more reward for greater risk.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Drizzit',index.php?page=Thread&postID=95849#post95 849]TO ADMINS:
    I am just reading what the blue says. If there is a problem please delete this post (i do not want to break the rules on this site) and send me a pm telling me why. [/quote]

    Clarification on the rules is certainly not a bad thing. :) We just discourage TEACHING or ENCOURAGING people to cheat -- your post does neither of those things. :)

    [quote='Drizzit
    Sense you are losing, even though you know the outcome (lose), but you are not RISING your rating. This seems like a gray area though.
    This I disagree with. They are defining WIN TRADING. However, I have another blue post that I've already linked on these forums (I'll have to dig around to find it) that does specify that losing, ON PURPOSE, constitutes NON-PARTICIPATION, which can be actionable. Losing on purpose may not be win trading, but that doesn't mean it's not bannable.

    In any case, I'm a bit busy at the moment but I'll try to look up the blue post for clarity.



    EDIT: Blue post links here -- Win Trading
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    What blows my mind is I've NEVER had trouble losing 5v5 fast... in fact i try to win but every time it ends poorly... normally a LONG match is 15-20 seconds after the gates open... so don't lose on purpose, just use my sucky tactics of barely knowing how to play pvp and charging in trying to find who you should focus fire.
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    The bannings for losing on purpose were generally for the preform bg teams that were going in, losing fast and picking up a mark.

    In win trading on team is, of course, losing on purpose but this is usually referred to as "win trading" instead of "losing on purpose" (see above).

    "Losing on purpose" is entirely different than "knowing you have no chance to win but choose to play anyway", which might describe my efforts in the arena.

    "Win trading" is intentionally going up against someone you want to give the win to. Indeed, you may actually try hard to win if you don't get the matchup you want. The typical use of this was to get one team a gladiator title by levelling up several teams to 2300+, then queueing at some bizarre time to go head to head. All the alt teams would lose to the main one, pushing them just a tad higher. The alt teams would then go back and play more to re-establish a rating to push the main team higher on the next run.

    Both win trading to boost someone else's arena and losing on purpose to pick up marks are punishable.

    "having no chance to win" is merely punishing. "What do you mean you respecced your warrior to prot on arena night?"
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    I'm not saying they can ban you for losing too many games -- after all, Blizz can't blame you for sucking at PvP (due to skill, gear, spec, or any other reason).

    However, someone was asking if they could /dance their way to losses in arenas, or AFK their 10 games, and a blue posted that it would be bannable due to nonparticipation. You may lose all your games, but you MUST actually play them. Even if you're prot.
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    Win trading BAD

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