New management discussion

[Khatovar]

but i AM concerned about this website (or the coming one) becoming a ISBoxer front-shop, just like mb.com is a frontshop for pwnboxer.
Clearly that would not make it an open community forum, but simply a product forum like the one on isboxer.com (are those forums going to merge btw?)

Regarding the KC link on top, i tend to see Robs point. By leaving only the ISB link you explicitely say that this site recommends firstly this product, where really it should have a link to the list of all boxing products like in the wiki i think. maybe sorted by number of users or a star rating or whatever

Honestly, I don't think that would be any different than it has been. An overwhelming majority of people that post here use ISBoxer. And the vast majority of the time when people ask what they should use, they're going to be told ISBoxer. People come here for ISBoxer help all the time. I mean, look at the software forums - In the last 5 pages of posts there's 69 posts for ISBoxer, 12 for Keyclone, 4 for HKN and one each for AHK, pwnboxer and general Mac multiboxing.

This community in general has been recommending ISBoxer over anything else for well over a year. It's what people are using and I'd venture to guess that it's because that's what is discussed most frequently, not because of a link at the top of the forum. Adding a list sorted by ratings or user numbers isn't going to change that. Unless some product comes out with a neural interface that allows users to configure it by simply thinking about what they want, I don't see that changing anytime soon. And face it, it'll probably be Lax who does it with JoeMultiboxer, lol.

I've seen a few posts about there needing to be a wiki about all products...I mention just about every product under the sun in the Newb Boxers thread {which is also on the index of the wiki}. It took me many, many hours to track down the sparse number of links in there. And to track them down again after the wiki got blowed up.

The content we have here is always, always, always a gesture of love. People don't get paid to create content for the forums or the wiki. It's not anyone's job. Yes, maybe an in-depth overview or review of each program out there would be nice, but it would also be an insane amount of work to keep it fair, unbiased and up-to-date. And it's not likely to do anything other than lead new people think that there's actually a wide and active userbase here of people using X, Y or Z when there isn't.

That said, I don't know what Lax plans to do here. For all I know, I could come back tomorrow and be de-modded and find all my HKN-related posts poofed. Or things could be the same as ever. *shrug*

[Zub]

Honestly, I don't think that would be any different than it has been. An overwhelming majority of people that post here use ISBoxer. And the vast majority of the time when people ask what they should use, they're going to be told ISBoxer. People come here for ISBoxer help all the time. I mean, look at the software forums - In the last 5 pages of posts there's 69 posts for ISBoxer, 12 for Keyclone, 4 for HKN and one each for AHK, pwnboxer and general Mac multiboxing.

This community in general has been recommending ISBoxer over anything else for well over a year. It's what people are using and I'd venture to guess that it's because that's what is discussed most frequently, not because of a link at the top of the forum. Adding a list sorted by ratings or user numbers isn't going to change that. Unless some product comes out with a neural interface that allows users to configure it by simply thinking about what they want, I don't see that changing anytime soon. And face it, it'll probably be Lax who does it with JoeMultiboxer, lol.

I've seen a few posts about there needing to be a wiki about all products...I mention just about every product under the sun in the Newb Boxers thread {which is also on the index of the wiki}. It took me many, many hours to track down the sparse number of links in there. And to track them down again after the wiki got blowed up.

The content we have here is always, always, always a gesture of love. People don't get paid to create content for the forums or the wiki. It's not anyone's job. Yes, maybe an in-depth overview or review of each program out there would be nice, but it would also be an insane amount of work to keep it fair, unbiased and up-to-date. And it's not likely to do anything other than lead new people think that there's actually a wide and active userbase here of people using X, Y or Z when there isn't.

That said, I don't know what Lax plans to do here. For all I know, I could come back tomorrow and be de-modded and find all my HKN-related posts poofed. Or things could be the same as ever. *shrug*

i agree with all of you say. and indeed it's up to Lax now.
I just wanted to point out in my previous post that -even though ISB is the best, I used it too- people still need to have the choice. Removing other options because one is better is not good for the community.

In a perfect world the top link would point to your wiki list of boxing software ;-)

Time for the stupid analogy:
Imagine Top Gear (or whatever car review magazine/show/etc) was bought by, lets say, a car company like Ford. What would you think of the reviews involving Fords?
As I said, stupid example, don't read too much in it :-).

[ebony]

(are those forums going to merge btw?)

i asked lax in irc about this i as i think its a good plan but lax said they will not merge/using one forum there not the same.. am sure i got a irc log of this cono somwhere. His paying for the site and doamin and hosting cost am sure this uses some server to run it.

the owner of MB.com makes stuff and sells it he starts something then sells it on his been doing it for years lax does not he keeps his stuff and updates and adds new stuff all the time. the froums have many good years of fun untell wow dies and theres no good new game to box lol.

[Ashley]

I think you should put a link to Jamba in the title where Keyclone used to be.

I think that addon is equally important.

[Khatovar]

i agree with all of you say. and indeed it's up to Lax now.
I just wanted to point out in my previous post that -even though ISB is the best, I used it too- people still need to have the choice. Removing other options because one is better is not good for the community.

In a perfect world the top link would point to your wiki list of boxing software ;-)

Time for the stupid analogy:
Imagine Top Gear (or whatever car review magazine/show/etc) was bought by, lets say, a car company like Ford. What would you think of the reviews involving Fords?
As I said, stupid example, don't read too much in it :-).

I hope you didn't think I was singling you out, sorry 'bout that. I just didn't want to sift through all the sky is falling posts to get to the point.

That little link section up there is such a minuscule part of the site in more ways than one, heh. There was never links up there or user badges for HKN, AHK, Synergy and so on, that doesn't mean users of anything other than Keyclone and ISBoxer were excluded here. That's because this is a site for multiboxers, not products, which is what makes it unique. As long as dual-boxing.com remains a legit site about multiboxing, where we're all able to discuss whatever acceptable methods or tools we use to accomplish that, I'm happy.

[zenga]

The internet, communities and forums work fairly straight forward: as soon as the owner starts to fool people it's basically over. Community will stop existing or move to a new independent plat form and the owner gets a bad reputation. Most of the users here are not retarded. If lax keeps the current way of doing things around, all be fine. If he tries to turn db.com into isboxer.com I'm afraid he is throwing in his own windows. And given his history and how he has been pretty much objective about his own software, I doubt that will happen; If it was to go downhill a couple ppl will stand up, grab a new url and forum software and just move. It's not that hard to see what the options are.

[Apps]

I think you should put a link to Jamba in the title where Keyclone used to be.

I think that addon is equally important.

All 100% this^

When patches come out, and I go for updates.. what do I ALWAYS look for??

[Daeri]

All 100% this^

When patches come out, and I go for updates.. what do I ALWAYS look for??

What ? You're not using an automatic addon updater such as curse client ?

(just kidding whenever a new patch comes out, I watch Jamba thread closely to make sure my problems have been reported or if I can help in some way)

I'm sure Lax has chosen to take the responsibility of running the forum because he only felt something had to be done for the good of our community and he could handle this properly.

HKN (nor any free multiboxing software) has never got any page-top link but thanks to Kathovar's active participation this is the one I've chosen to use when I (very rarely I must admit) multibox on a computer running Windows. I guess hkn users in troubles tend either find answers within the numerous contributions of Kathovar or to directly head to hkn forums

[Ellay]

I still plan on being around, the community is important to me, and I read the site pretty much every day, although I don't post much. No one wants to hear about "in my day I took on 10 baddies with no multiboxing software while brushing my teeth!" So it's mostly just appreciating that the style of play is still alive and kicking and seeing what is going on.
I haven't myself been able to multibox for going on a year and a half now. Had a baby, moved. I can't even find enough time in my day to go to the gym let alone game it up like I used to. I do dearly miss those days, and I felt it was quite unfair to the community that I wasn't able to continually improve us. Lax has great things planned and knowing that it is in good hands made the transition much easier to gulp down.
It's still my home, just without the responsibility

[Andreauk]

yes, i was paying Ellay for every db-keyclone... it was the only source of revenue (not counting the $40 from ads) for the site for years (until the last year?). it kept the community alive and the site funded. money from keyclone should actually fund the site for a few more years. but that's up to ellay. what he does with that is up to him.

my only balk is the term 'community' while removing a link to a competing product. that's funny.

and the reason is ... it hasn't been updated? something needs updating? should we remove the d-b banner as well? it hasn't been updated in years.

i receive numerous calls each week and i always ask if they'd like something added. some having used it for years. the answer is always 'it does everything i need'. i'd agree, as i use it myself.

I'm still using Keyclone - have for years. Just because the site doesn't need the money anymore isn't a reason to kick the link. Rob's product still works 100% and I like it because I have no doubt at all that it's safe with no risk to my accounts. He's brought something very valuable to boxers, and it's sad to see it kicked to the side.