PVP Etiquette

So I have been hitting battlegrounds doing the daily quests, with some success. So far I think that I have been able to hold my own for the most part. Currently I am taking my 4-some in (pally, mage, lock, and priest). I haven’t seen too many complaints until last night. I was working on EotS and was getting a lot of comments about how having a multi-boxer in the group was hampering their ability win. Looking at the results of the bg I think that point is questionable since I was smack in the middle of the rankings and considering that I haven’t been level 70 a whole week yet and have not so great gear I felt that I probably wasn’t the entire reason for the loss. Nevertheless I really don’t want to be more of an irritant than I already am to my fellow players. So I am asking my fellow boxers is there an etiquette to PVP boxing. Should I not bring all of my toons into certain battlegrounds. I have found that nobody really notices much in AV, but I do get noticed in others. Since I want to grind up some season 2 gear with honor what’s the best way to go about this?

Thanks

Here's my advice. Do what you want and ignore everyone bitching. Don't feed the trolls with a response - just keep doing your best. I usually don't respond in BGs at all unless I'm giving an order like "cover FR or WTF - no one at MT". Even when people are like - you suck, get a life, nice haxs etc... I just ignore it. You get a lot of love in AV - so that's a good one to go to when people have been bashing you in other BGs - it'll get your moral up.

People are always looking for someone to blame. If you lose, a lot of the time they'll blame the boxer. I generally stay out of the 2 battle grounds I suck at - WSG and AB. Because I really do suck at those - I haven't found a way to win with any consistency in those BGs.

I have had both good and bad players in BG's. With good ones, 1 strong player and 2 that know what to do and win with you. But, a few times, I tried on my own, since I would WTFPWN people with my 5 hunters. That didn't work out too well. If you don't have people that are willing to try and help, just ignore them, they will complain if anything happens. It is just more noticable to see you 5 boxing and not the idiot at the bottom of the helping stats (DPS, healing, capping, etc). Just try until people act like idiots and then just do what makes you feel better and don't worry about them.

Absolutely do not alter your playstyle to accommodate the whiners.

The scoreboard is proof enough of your value. Even if you are the only one looking at it, that is good enough. I have kindly referenced the damage done and killing blows many times, when the entire BG is on its soapbox.

"/bg Well, I seem to have 3 of the top 5 in total damage done, and have more KBs than any of you guys
/bg You're right, I'm worthless....."

or the ever popular response to "BOTTT"

"/bg Bots kill frostwolfs, I kill Alli (better than you)"

Just remember to keep it short and civil. If people get caught up in arguing, they forget to pvp, then you loose.

This is what I did to grind up my marks and I got pretty good results.

EOTS I would just keep taking towers, alliance would take one, then I would take one. I won most of my games in EOTS and was usually praised for constantly making alliance rotate to new towers usually keeping us with 2 and 1 grey, with them having 1 or 1 grey.

WSG I would always start on defense with my 4 guys, pop 4 fire eles right before all 8-10 ally would come in. I would drop them all most of the time, or atleast have the flag carrier alone and low on health for my team to meet up with them in the middle. With a quick cap like that, then defense would usually only have to deal with a couple at a time.

AV depends on my mood, but those 3 BGs I would almost always get praised because my focus fire would win most battles.

AB was another story. AB I would either win fast, rarely, or I would lose very very slow. The problem with AB is I can't just sit on a flag with 4 ppl, they bitch why is there 4 at mine or something. But then no one would defend what we cap. So it was my fault that we lost cause I was on offense taking alliance flags, or it was my fault cause I was on D all at one flag. I got so sick of it, to finish my marks I queued my 4 guys in seperate ABs staggered a bit. Then I would just defend the farm. No bitching no crying, we would lose a lot faster, or sometimes win, but I didn't have to hear it.

People blame the boxer and even as I am only level 21 right now, this is obvious. First game of pvp, wsg, level 19. People blamed myself for the loss when all 3 of my shamans were 'near' the top in damage, including many kills of the horde flag runner. I expect this attitude, even if I am only boxing 3, and its a great reason to switch to your combat log. If they harass you enough; report them =). You are not in the wrong.

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Multi-boxing is not against the ToS, but harassment is.

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It's lonely at the top. And it's not like huge win ratios are important to curing AIDS in Africa or anything. :P

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Originally Posted by 'mackenziemi',index.php?page=Thread&postID=89437#p ost89437

So I have been hitting battlegrounds doing the daily quests, with some success. So far I think that I have been able to hold my own for the most part. Currently I am taking my 4-some in (pally, mage, lock, and priest). I haven’t seen too many complaints until last night. I was working on EotS and was getting a lot of comments about how having a multi-boxer in the group was hampering their ability win. Looking at the results of the bg I think that point is questionable since I was smack in the middle of the rankings and considering that I haven’t been level 70 a whole week yet and have not so great gear I felt that I probably wasn’t the entire reason for the loss. Nevertheless I really don’t want to be more of an irritant than I already am to my fellow players. So I am asking my fellow boxers is there an etiquette to PVP boxing. Should I not bring all of my toons into certain battlegrounds. I have found that nobody really notices much in AV, but I do get noticed in others. Since I want to grind up some season 2 gear with honor what’s the best way to go about this?

Thanks

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Right now it probably hurts a little more when people say stuff lilke that. And when I say hurt, I mean the enjoyment of the game not your emotional stability that I already now is out of whack cause you multibox :P But believe me as you get geared, rise to the top of the board, kill everything in sight, if your team loses it is always YOUR fault.

Imagine this...Last night Im playing AB, 3/4 of my shaman are epic'd out and with a healer a zerg of 15 people isn't that hard to take down. So I demolish them at BS and continue to the next node. Mind you the rest of the team is showing their staying power, ability to not kill a damn thing and not let the flag be capped. So While I run around from node to node to take the flags...Someone recaps BS. I have a macro that tells people where to go and it says "If you cap it, YOU protect it!" So one of the idiots on the team says its my fault the games taking so long and I'm a complete moron who can't follow my own rules.

No if I wasnt gear my performance wouldn't have been so L33T and I'd have no room to reply. 10 seconds later we five cap and I have passed the century mark on HKs. The Alliance was able to build an astonishing 140 points and I'm the reason we're losing????? Mind you its five capped, I have over a 100 HKs, and people still find a way to say its my fault. Blame it on the Multiboxer. My reply in /bg was that he was critiquing perfection, and they he should enjoy the 5 cap.

Bottom line, some people hate us so much...winning the game isn't even enough for them. So if your not winning and they're saying stuff, just realize it has nothing to do with your performance and everything to do with their Egos.

Sorry for the long post, Stupidity makes my blood boil and when you're playing wow witha bunch of 12 year olds it shows its ugly face way too often.

Unless they are paying for your accounts they have no right to tell you what to do, how to play.

BG chat, like the trade channel, attracts morons.

It doesn't just happen to multiboxers. AFter lots of whining about how we are losing I said "And the winner of the stating the bleeding obvious award is....".

At which point they responded -"says the hunter who's got 8k health". I was a new 70. And at the end of the battleground I was 3rd for damage overall.

My view, if they are moaning in chat, they aren't playing. I'm too busy to respond unless I get really annoyed.

Enjoy yourself, gear up and let them eat your dust.

You're paying for each account, so you have a right to bring in as many as you'd like.

Played properly, a multiboxer won't hurt the team and can be a considerable help. It's like any pre-formed group, there are good ones and bad ones. A bad multiboxer can be like a bad PUG.

In my opinion, you are most likely to make friends in BGs if they see your worth. In EOTS and AB, I have more success at this when I'm leading the offense. Sometimes this means leaving a node completely undefended, but it can look bad to see 4 people just sitting at a node or tower doing nothing at all.

In EOTS, if you have 4 toons in there, then it's important that others not follow you. A solid winning strategy is to control 3 towers and spend little time trying to get the flag. If your 4 can control a tower, that leaves the remaining 11 players to control the other two towers which is a perfectly reasonable division of labor. Sometimes you have to be a little proactive and remind people not to gawk and follow you around, having six people sit at a tower is likely hurting your team.

In AB, the math is close to the same, and I think a multiboxer generally is doing a service if he can take and hold Blacksmith. That's been my strategy, there is usually a fair amount of action there and I generally don't lose it (with a 4 shaman team) unless I'm facing a very organized group of 4 or more people.

WSG is more iffy, in my opinion, if you are bringing in four or more toons. Played correctly and with good communication, a multiboxer can be an asset, but it may require some additional communication if you are playing against a competent PUG.

PvP Etiquette - a short story by Tasty.

I was in BEM doing dailies one fine day (I do the large apex eminations and kill the giants after for the shards and junk) when I see a warlock fly by and land just standing there. I think to myself no one can be that cruel so I summon the giant and start to kill it when BAM the warlock attacks me. PVE geared so 5k shadowbolts do hurt. I manage to kill the lock but not before my healer dies. Then I wipe and the giant despawns. We both res and he attacks me again so I kill him just fine. He brings in three friends and usually this wouldn't be a problem except aoe fear screws me up real bad when capped (1500ms ftl!) Anyway they camped me for about an hour, which I spent reading some new Asterix books I picked up. Moral of the story, my etiquette is Kill first don't ask questions later. :D

edit: a little unrelated but I felt like sharing :p

Heh, mine's kinda similar. If they're very obviously nearby for something reasonable and not related to me, then I'll keep an eye on 'em and let 'em be. Soon as they even look in my direction, though, it's on like donkey kong.

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Originally Posted by 'mackenziemi',index.php?page=Thread&postID=89437#p ost89437

So I have been hitting battlegrounds doing the daily quests, with some success. So far I think that I have been able to hold my own for the most part. Currently I am taking my 4-some in (pally, mage, lock, and priest). I haven’t seen too many complaints until last night. I was working on EotS and was getting a lot of comments about how having a multi-boxer in the group was hampering their ability win. Looking at the results of the bg I think that point is questionable since I was smack in the middle of the rankings and considering that I haven’t been level 70 a whole week yet and have not so great gear I felt that I probably wasn’t the entire reason for the loss. Nevertheless I really don’t want to be more of an irritant than I already am to my fellow players. So I am asking my fellow boxers is there an etiquette to PVP boxing. Should I not bring all of my toons into certain battlegrounds. I have found that nobody really notices much in AV, but I do get noticed in others. Since I want to grind up some season 2 gear with honor what’s the best way to go about this?

Thanks

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I'll be honest with you. 5 players should hardly ever lose a node, at all. It would take 5-10(usually closer to 10) enemies to take a node from 5 decent players. So, if you hold your nodes from everything other than mass zergs then you're not the problem. Now I do see 5boxers who get dropped by 1-2 enemies, sad to say but it's not uncommon, and they(boxer) are hampering the team as a whole. Though, keep in mind that they are no different than 5 single bad players and there are far more bad players around than good.

So in the end, if you're holding your nodes tell the whiners to stfu, but if you're losing your node to a couple rogues or a rush of 3 enemies than just accept that you're bad and try to work on your game. If you're just in there taking up space and not giving a crap about whether you win or lose, then I'm going to have to say that you're a waste of not only a single space, but 5 damn spaces and that sucks for anyone else trying to enjoy BG's. BG's are a team system, not a solo system.

I'm afraid I'm quite a whiner in WSG and AB, simply because we (alliance) seem unable to win them.
It's a lot of close quarters in WSG where shamans end up stuck on corners and stuff, and there are many opportunities for warstomp and aoe fears everywhere.

So when I'm forced to play WSG or AB for marks, I turn into a rabid whinestorm. Sad.

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Originally Posted by 'Naysayer',index.php?page=Thread&postID=89901#post 89901

I'll be honest with you. 5 players should hardly ever lose a node, at all. It would take 5-10(usually closer to 10) enemies to take a node from 5 decent players.

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Assuming similar gear. :P

I made a post on this not too long ago myself. And pretty much everyone has a solid point in what they are telling you. They are your accounts so play how you wanna play and you do have every right to be in there as the rest of them do. I have just been doing my own thing in BG's. In WSG, I either play defense or offense depending on the mood i'm in. AB, I try to cap whatever nodes are available and try to keep my group moving. Storm, I just run in circles recapping which ever base horde has which seems to be working lately. And in AV, I play defense starting at Belinda and then defend each GY or Bunker as long as I can, hopefully stalling them long enough for us to down Drek.

I look at what people write in the chat's and I just ignore all of it unless I get a whisper from someone. Normally I tell them my chat is off and dont know what they are saying about me.

I've now gotten my season 2 mace and shield and things have gotten better for myself. The insults keep coming, but I'm cool with it now knowing its only a matter of time for when I'll have all the honor gear I need and I wont have to worry about the BG's anymore and it will be fun times.

As most others in here have said, ignore them. Just keep an eye out for Shattrath premade groups, sometimes they suck.. sometimes they are decent. Do it long enough and you'll have the better half spamming you for group invites 8) (assuming you are capable). What does this mean? No more putting up with random idiots! Seriously, you can play your arse off, top the dmg/kb/healing.. cap your heart out.. You will still be blamed for any failure by randoms. A week old.. but I wanted to post damnit >_<! :D

Much like the people who ask in the customer service forums if losing consistently is against the win trading rules....

Blizzard can't ban you for being bad at the game.

That being said, even if you WERE a bad pvp'er, nobody else in the battleground has the right to complain. You pay for your access to the BGs same as they do. Just like you can't kick a solo boxer who just plain sucks at PvP, they can't kick you.

Granted, you should try NOT to suck, but losing because you are bad at PvP doesn't mean they can retaliate in any way, shape or form. In fact, if they harass you to get you to /afk out of the BG, I believe that it could (depending on severity) be considered bannable harassment.

the larger the BG the more beneficial you are going from AV - > EotS -> AB -> WSG. At some points in a WSG match if I am up against a pre-made and the rest of my team is pugs and has no coordination, I feel more of a hindrance but that's just because I expect to win.

Play how you want and ignore them unless they are being nice :)

It's really easy for me. What i do now, if my team ain't capable of teamplay, i wont play 20 minutes hardcore for 1 mark, so i just stop.

AV is the exception, for any other bg, when more than 2 players follow me, harass me, i will stop at my gy and do nothing but defend myself. I don't even care anymore with the chat! i used too, and was only causing brain damage :P

I have found if you are not 5 shammy or 4 shammy boxing they give you much more shit. I have not lvled my shammy team(need to do that).

If you are good at boxing and can kill more than killed then let it go. You do not afk, you try to win and are having fun. Its a game to have fun. Have fun your way

:)