Accounts Info

Well, I never really stopped to think about this, but if your accounts arent all in your name are you going to get in trouble? i.e. I have 4 accounts 2 mine 1 wife 1 friend? 2 in my name one in wifes and one in friends? Has anyone had a problem with this yet. I would hate to get an account banned.

If so i might have to just go pick up 2 more fresh copies.

Account sharing (yes, even with your wife, lame right?) is against the ToS and can get the accounts banned. You put yourself at a higher risk because of the extra attention multi-boxers get.

I am not saying it is EVIL, but it is very bad. They will find out. Promise. Maybe not now, but all it takes is one person saying "multi-boxing is illegal, ban him" and the GM looks at your accounts to make sure you aren't a farmer/bot, etc and bam. Shows right up, account name, billing info, and then banned. Better to be safe, sorry.

Thanks guys - gonna head out asap to pick up some fresh copies... no sense in doing all the work and getting busted :)

If you do a search for "account name", there will be a couple of threads from people that took a chance and eventually got banned.

Make sure all the accounts info is the same across all the accounts.

What about someome giving you their account and you changing all the info to yours? I use an account my cousin used to use.

Account holder name cannot be changed once it is set up during account creation. Now you can change all the other info.. but if they see it as another persons name they will assume its been sold/stolen/shared.

[quote='Oatboat',index.php?page=Thread&postID=74041 #post74041]Well, I never really stopped to think about this, but if your accounts arent all in your name are you going to get in trouble? i.e. I have 4 accounts 2 mine 1 wife 1 friend? 2 in my name one in wifes and one in friends? Has anyone had a problem with this yet. I would hate to get an account banned.

If so i might have to just go pick up 2 more fresh copies.[/quote]

You shouldn't have to buy any fresh copies. It's true that it is against the End User License Agreement (EULA) that account sharing is not allowed. However if the other party in the account gives you the original CD's, and relinquishes all information to you concerning the account as per seciond 3b of the EULA, this is FINE.
[color=#ff0000]Not QUITE true.... It doesn't relinquish the ACCOUNT. See [url='http://www.dual-boxing.com/forums/index.php?page=Thread&postID=74182#post74182']my reply[/url] for blue posts clarifying this. --Vyndree[/color]

This is what it says:

3. Ownership

B. You may permanently transfer all of your rights and obligations under the License Agreement to another by physically transferring the original media (e.g., the CD-ROM or DVD you purchased), all original packaging, and all Manuals or other documentation distributed with the Game; provided, however, that you permanently delete all copies and installations of the Game in your possession or control, and that the recipient agrees to the terms of this License Agreement. The transferor (i.e., you), and not Blizzard, agrees to be solely responsible for any taxes, fees, charges, duties, withholdings, assessments, and the like, together with any interest, penalties, and additions imposed in connection with such transfer.





I'm not suggesting whatsoever to break the EULA, I'm saying you don't need to buy another copy if you have the original CD's. If players do a report about you multiboxxing, you won't get into any trouble. In FACT, it's even better that the names are different. Here's the reason why....

If you accidentally type in trade or general or some other chat channel with multiple characters all with the same last name, that is considered SPAM and you will get a warning from a GM if someone reports it. However, if you accidentally type in trade or general or other chat channel and your last names are different on each account, you WILL NOT GET ANY WARNING at ALL! When the GM checks the last names and sees they are different, he has no evidence that it was the same person talking. Even if they came from the same IP address. So he discards the report. Now if you consistently type in trade a bunch of garbage text and many players report that as spam, then you obviously will get a warning just as if you did it with one account.

The reason others have been banned as mentioned here in this message thread is because they used a program that was against the EULA or something else they did. A program that automates the character in the game while you're not at the keyboard is bannable. Repeatedly using foul language is bannable. Repeatedly advertising or using spam messages is bannable. But by using accounts that have different names is not bannable even if players report you. Think about it, Blizzard doesn't want to lose accounts that are legitimate. They want to ban the ones that are automate the character while you're not at the keyboard or the accounts that are being used to sell gold, etc. If you're playing the game and at the keyboard with Keyclone/Multibox/Octopus, you're fine regardless of what names are on the accounts you're using.

I apologize if my original post appeared to suggest to break the EULA. Don't share accounts, that's against the EULA and I didn't suggest that. But if you have the original CD-ROM or DVD, you should be fine.

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Originally Posted by 'Thulos',index.php?page=Thread&postID=74102#post74 102

What about someome giving you their account and you changing all the info to yours? I use an account my cousin used to use.

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Will get banned. It's against the TOS.

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Originally Posted by 'Temor',index.php?page=Thread&postID=74113#post741 13

You don't have to buy any fresh copies. Don't listen to the other posts here by those that don't know what they are talking about. It's true that it is against the End User License Agreement (EULA) that account sharing is not allowed. However that in itself is NOT a bannable offense. Even if players do a report about you multiboxxing, you won't get into any trouble. In FACT, it's even better that the names are different. Here's the reason why....

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What da hell !?! So you're saying that yes, it's against the EULA, but it's not a bannable offense? :cursing:

[quote='Temor',index.php?page=Thread&postID=74113#p ost74113]Don't listen to the other posts here by those that don't know what they are talking about. It's true that it is against the End User License Agreement (EULA) that account sharing is not allowed. However that in itself is NOT a bannable offense.[/quote]

Temor, please review the Terms of Use.

[url]http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/legal/termsofuse.html[/url]
[quote][b]Establishing an Account.[/b]
You may establish one (1) user account (the "Account") on the Service for each Authentication Key you receive from Blizzard. To establish an Account, you will be required to provide Blizzard with certain personal information and the Authentication Key provided to you by Blizzard. Your failure to supply accurate information to Blizzard when requested, or to update that information as it changes, shall constitute a material breach of this Agreement.
During the registration process, you will be required to select a username and a password that are unique to the Account (collectively referred to hereunder as "Login Information"). [color=#ff0000]You may not share [u]the Account or the Login Information[/u] with anyone other than as expressly set forth herein.[/color]
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[quote]Blizzard’s Absolute Right to Suspend, Terminate and/or Delete the Account.
BLIZZARD MAY SUSPEND, TERMINATE, MODIFY, OR DELETE THE ACCOUNT AT ANY TIME WITH ANY REASON OR NO REASON, WITH OR WITHOUT NOTICE. For purposes of explanation and not limitation, [color=#ff0000]most account suspensions, terminations and/or deletions are [u]the result of violations of this Terms of Use [/u]or the EULA.[/color] [/quote]

Also review the blizzard support page:
[url]http://us.blizzard.com/support/article.xml?articleId=20460&rhtml=true[/url]
[quote][b]Limitations placed on Account Access[/b]
The ToU speaks extensively about what you may and may not do with a World of Warcraft account. This section highlights a few passages from the ToU that are most relevant to this policy. The core message is that you, and only you (with the exception of a minor authorized to use an account by a parent or guardian), should be accessing an account registered in your name.

[b][color=#ff0000]Blizzard Entertainment does not recognize the transfer of Accounts between individuals. (Section 1E of the ToU) [/color]
[color=#ff0000]You may not share your Account or password with anyone[/color], except that if you are a parent or guardian, you may permit one (1) minor child to use the Account instead of you (in which case you may not use that Account at the same time). (Section 1A of the ToU)
You are liable for all activities conducted through the Account, including any activities which may be conducted by your minor children that you allow to use your Account. (Section 1A of the ToU)
You are responsible for maintaining the confidentiality of your User Name and password, and you will be responsible for all uses of your User Name and password whether or not authorized by you. Security of your account is your responsibility. (Section 1D of the ToU) [/b]
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And, finally, our dual-boxing.com Community guidelines:
[url]http://dual-boxing.com/forums/index.php?page=Board&boardID=31[/url]
[quote]If it is against the ToS of the game you are discussing [color=#ff0000]it is against dual-boxing.com’s community guidelines to discuss ways of breaking said ToS.[/color] We are COMMITTED to keeping our hobby 100% compliant with the ToS of any game we play.[/quote]


This is not a gray area. People HAVE gotten banned for account sharing (including multiboxing using a "gifted" or "wife's" or "fake name" account). Take [url='http://www.dual-boxing.com/forums/index.php?page=Thread&postID=63111']this thread[/url] as a recent example. Or this one.

There should be NO reason why ANYONE on this forum should even suggest that breaking the WoW rules is "okay". Temor, consider this your first and final warning.

Thanks for the info.

The wife one is kinda annoying though. My fiance's account was registered under my name simply because I stayed home from work the day of wow's release and just out of repetitive typing typed my name for her account instead of hers. Would really make me sad if she got banned because of me typing one thing instead of another several years ago.

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Originally Posted by 'Thulos',index.php?page=Thread&postID=74135#post74 135

Thanks for the info.

The wife one is kinda annoying though. My fiance's account was registered under my name simply because I stayed home from work the day of wow's release and just out of repetitive typing typed my name for her account instead of hers. Would really make me sad if she got banned because of me typing one thing instead of another several years ago.

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Some people who used fake names and such have been able to change their account information to the correct information, but it involves ALOT of jumping through hoops.

The reason for all the hoops? If they were actually trying to steal an account, we wouldn't want them to easily be able to change the legal account owner information.

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Originally Posted by Temor',index.php?page=Thread&postID=74113#post7411 3]However if the other party in the account gives you the original CD's, and relinquishes all information to you concerning the account as per seciond 3b of the EULA, this is FINE.[/quote]

Wrong again, Temor. While I appreciate you editing out the material from your previous post the content that you filled it with is also not quite accurate.

The EULA applies to the HARD media -- that is, the box and the CDs that come with it. What that is saying is that you MAY gift away the CDs and boxed media to a friend if you wish to do so.

The account that is established upon opening the account is governed by the Terms of Use.



Notice that nowhere in the quote you provided was the transfer of the ACCOUNT ever mentioned -- just the materials that come in the box.

[quote]3. Ownership

B. You may permanently transfer all of your rights and obligations under the License Agreement to another by physically transferring the original media (e.g., the CD-ROM or DVD you purchased), all original packaging, and all Manuals or other documentation distributed with the Game; provided, however, that you permanently delete all copies and installations of the Game in your possession or control, and that the recipient agrees to the terms of this License Agreement. The transferor (i.e., you), and not Blizzard, agrees to be solely responsible for any taxes, fees, charges, duties, withholdings, assessments, and the like, together with any interest, penalties, and additions imposed in connection with such transfer. [/quote]

Quoting the EULA and claiming it applies to the account is a common ploy used by account sellers who are hoping that uninformed users will fall for the supposed "loophole". There is no loophole, and blizzard has been very very VERY clear that transferring an account -- for WHATEVER reason -- is a no-no.


I will cite my source as a blue has posted about this in the customer service forums, but Suvega is waiting to pick me up for work so it will have to wait until I get home. I will edit this post appropriately when I get home.

EDIT: As promised, sources have been cited.
As per [url]http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=4822673943&pageNo=3&sid=1#44[/url]...
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Ok.......so why are accounts being closed if the EULA says that we are allowed to transfer "all of" our "rights" to another?

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You are quoting the EULA, which largely governs your use of the actual material that came in the box. Note where it says yopu can transfer the "original media (e.g., the CD-ROM or DVD you purchased), all original packaging, and all Manuals or other documentation distributed with the Game"

The original media is not your account nor your character.

The Terms of Use, which largely govern your use of the software and game content, spells it out pretty clearly in section eight.

"Blizzard does not recognize the transfer of Accounts. You may not purchase, sell, gift or trade any Account, or offer to purchase, sell, gift or trade any Account, and any such attempt shall be null and void. Blizzard owns, has licensed, or otherwise has rights to all of the content that appears in the Program."

So you can transfer ownership of the box and what came in it, but not of the character(s) you have created while playing. It's a little nitpicky, but there's no contradiction. And of course, why you'd want to transfer the contents of the box to someone else, who would still need to pay for an account, is not detailed.

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***Quoted for Turtle***

That really hits the nail on the head, Palehoof. :0)

Shamanous, as Palehoof (and others after that post) have made pretty clear here, you are more than welcome to give away the CD-ROM or DVD you purchased, all original packaging, and all Manuals or other documentation distributed with the Game – as long as you permanently delete all copies and installations of the Game. This would allow them to install the game, and nothing more. From there they would have the option to use the Direct Online Upgrade to gain access to the content.

The above does not, however, say anything about the Account. For that information, you would want to look at section eight of the ToU which Palehoof has already quoted for you.

I think that is pretty cut and dry as to what you are and are not allowed to “gift away” Shamanous, though if you do have any uncertainties, or questions, I would really suggest that you contact our Account Administration Department: (http://us.blizzard.com/support/artic...rticleId=21500), as they are best suited to answer any questions about policy. :0)

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The other blue posts in that thread are also informative: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/th...=1&pageNo=3#47

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Ok.......so why are accounts being closed if the EULA says that we are allowed to transfer "all of" our "rights" to another?
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This can cause some confusion from time to time, and what Auryk has said is true. Please allow me to add a bit to this discussion.

You may, in theory, transfer your copy of the game World of Warcraft to another player via this method. You may not transfer characters, accounts, or any other in-game materials via this method. You may not do so, because unlike your physical copy of the game, they do not belong to you.

In fact, the clause directly above the one that you quoted in the EULA clarifies that everything actually of and within World of Warcraft belongs to Blizzard Entertainment:


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3. Ownership.

A. All title, ownership rights and intellectual property rights in and to the Game and all copies thereof (including without limitation any titles, computer code, themes, objects, characters, character names, stories, dialog, catch phrases, locations, concepts, artwork, character inventories, structural or landscape designs, animations, sounds, musical compositions and recordings, audio-visual effects, storylines, character likenesses, methods of operation, moral rights, and any related documentation) are owned or licensed by Blizzard. The Game is protected by the copyright laws of the United States, international treaties and conventions, and other laws. The Game may contain materials licensed by third parties, and the licensors of those materials may enforce their rights in the event of any violation of this License Agreement.

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And section 2 of the Terms of Use:



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Ownership.
All rights and title in and to the Program and the Service (including without limitation any user accounts, titles, computer code, themes, objects, characters, character names, stories, dialogue, catch phrases, locations, concepts, artwork, animations, sounds, musical compositions, audio-visual effects, methods of operation, moral rights, any related documentation, "applets" incorporated into the Program, transcripts of the chat rooms, character profile information, recordings of games played on the Program, and the Program client and server software) are owned by Blizzard or its licensors. The Program and the Service are protected by United States and international laws. The Program and the Service may contain certain licensed materials, and Blizzard's licensors may enforce their rights in the event of any violation of this Agreement.
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Third paragraph, section three:



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Notwithstanding anything to the contrary herein, you acknowledge and agree that you shall have no ownership or other property interest in the Account, and you further acknowledge and agree that all rights in and to the Account are and shall forever be owned by and inure to the benefit of Blizzard.
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And finally, section 8:



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Ownership/Selling of the Account or Virtual Items.
Blizzard does not recognize the transfer of Accounts. You may not purchase, sell, gift or trade any Account, or offer to purchase, sell, gift or trade any Account, and any such attempt shall be null and void. Blizzard owns, has licensed, or otherwise has rights to all of the content that appears in the Program. You agree that you have no right or title in or to any such content, including the virtual goods or currency appearing or originating in the Game, or any other attributes associated with the Account or stored on the Service. Blizzard does not recognize any virtual property transfers executed outside of the Game or the purported sale, gift or trade in the "real world" of anything related to the Game. Accordingly, you may not sell items for "real" money or otherwise exchange items for value outside of the Game.
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I hope that this makes things much more clear.

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Does that clear up any confusion, Temor?

With all due respect, you're posting what I've read about 3 or 4 times and I appreciate it being posted again. What my original posts intent was to indicate that the name on the account doesn't matter for getting banned. I didn't type it correctly and I really didn't spell out the entire process. If you were to create 5 accounts all with different names, that it not a reason for a ban. Players of World of Warcraft cannot report you for multiboxing and a GM upon checking the names of the account will not make a determination as to banning an account just because he finds the account names are different. If there are further circumstances such as other reasons for breaking the EULA as you've indicated, those will get a player banned, but the names on the accounts will not. All of the posts made on the message boards here indicate some other thing occurred which caused the accounts to be banned such as a dispute with the original subscriber of an account.

I'm sorry if I didn't make my post clear at the start, but my entire point was that the names do not have to be the same. There is nothing in the EULA or the Terms of Service that says that if I create several different accounts, they must all have the same names on the accounts. There were posts made here that showed the names must be the same or they will be banned. My point is no, they don't have to be.

[quote='Temor',index.php?page=Thread&postID=74232#p ost74232]If you were to create 5 accounts all with different names, that it not a reason for a ban. [/quote]
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I beg to differ, and so does blizzard. [/size]

I have posted official sources at to why this is the case, as well as threads FROM THIS VERY FORUM from people who have experienced, FIRSTHAND, getting banned for not having matching account info either because they a) [url='http://www.dual-boxing.com/forums/index.php?page=Thread&postID=42576']made up the names they put on each account[/url] (i.e. "Mickey Mouse") or b) shared an account that did not originally belong to them. Please re-read the threads that I linked as they both show the two reasons I just mentioned as the ONLY reason for banning the account.

In both cases, people HAVE gotten banned.

Even IF there were no evidence of banning, IT IS WRITTEN MULTIPLE TIMES IN THE RULES. Of which I have linked an amazing amount. Just because you only speed 5 miles over the speed limit doesn't mean some ornery cop CANNOT pull you over. Speeding, EVEN ONLY FIVE MILES OVER, is illegal.

Furthermore, I don't appreciate ANY person recommending in a beginner's forum a way for people to break the rules such that they might get banned. Not only is it against the community guidelines, it gives outsiders a reason to claim that we are "cheaters". To the outside community, you are a representative of the multiboxing community as a whole -- please keep that in mind.

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Originally Posted by Temor

If you were to create 5 accounts all with different names, that it not a reason for a ban. Players of World of Warcraft cannot report you for multiboxing and a GM upon checking the names of the account will not make a determination as to banning an account just because he finds the account names are different. If there are further circumstances such as other reasons for breaking the EULA as you've indicated, those will get a player banned, but the names on the accounts will not. All of the posts made on the message boards here indicate some other thing occurred which caused the accounts to be banned such as a dispute with the original subscriber of an account.

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Essentially, what you're saying here is that: Yes, it is against the rules. However, you can break the rules and get away with it.

This is not in-line with our Community Guidelines, nor is it even accurate. You CAN get banned for breaking the rules, no MATTER how minute and it doesn't matter WHO reports you or for WHAT. If blizzard finds you breaking the rules, they can and will ban your account.

I have cited ALL of my sources from official sites such as worldofwarcraft.com and blizzard.com. You have provided no sources for your hypothesis, which are directly contradictory to mine. Who, therefore, is correct? The official Blue GM's on the official wow forums? Or you?

How about this: I will publically apologize to you if you can find me an official blizzard post saying that you will not get banned for having multiple names on accounts that you are playing at the same time.

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Originally Posted by Temor

I'm sorry if I didn't make my post clear at the start, but my entire point was that the names do not have to be the same. There is nothing in the EULA or the Terms of Service that says that if I create several different accounts, they must all have the same names on the accounts.

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Then let me make this very clear, and VERY final.

http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/termsofuse.html

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Establishing an Account.
You may establish one (1) user account (the "Account") on the Service for each Authentication Key you receive from Blizzard. To establish an Account, you will be required to provide Blizzard with certain personal information and the Authentication Key provided to you by Blizzard. Your failure to supply accurate information to Blizzard when requested, or to update that information as it changes, shall constitute a material breach of this Agreement.

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Vyndree is 100% correct on this.

just my US$ 0.02 worth...

Tremor, you're wrong, accept it and move on.