Analysis of Ellay's new video and questions

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06-09-2008, 12:22 PM
kidvid

Analysis of Ellay's new video and questions

Wow, very impressive video . Someone mentioned it during an AV match on the Vindication BG yesterday. Ellay is famous!

One question that immediately comes to mind is why the pally healer was out in the middle of the nagrand arena. I'm trying to figure out why he was out there, so exposed. Any thoughts on the purpose of that move?

Also, I saw a lot of healing rotations. Maybe I wasn't watching closely enough but it looked like Ellay's members might have been casting different healing spells at the same time. Any thoughts on the most optimal healing rotation for arena?

Another thing - I'm guessing that Ellay jammed down on the follow button quite a bit to re-align the facing of his shamans after CC attempts. Does he have to spam follow or does he have it somehow in his attack macros? I.e., "/follow focus" "/attack macro
06-09-2008, 12:38 PM
Ellay

I spam the crap out of my /follow button :) it's not in the macro's as that would mess up other critical areas. My healer is overall just likes to have fun and against a Eurocomp he's going to get sapped regardless - that's the only way that team will open up on me, so it was a bait and get the fight started move. I'll keep myself alive until he gets out of sap.
I only use lesser healing wave, but with all the cc / fears going on , they will cast at different times, I'm just spamming the heal button.
06-09-2008, 12:51 PM
merujo

Nicelly done Ellay!
06-09-2008, 01:00 PM
Talos

ill try to reply to some from my point of view

also use the search function, ellay already replied to many of these questions before

the reason for having the healer in the front (especially with pally healers) is to 'draw agro' this keeps the opposing team in FRONT of ellay's shamans, no need to turn, just blast
the pala healer can always bubble when needed, and is in better range to the opposite healers in order to use hammer of justice RIGHT before ellay blasts the warrior down, without the warrior getting shielded, bubbled, healed

follow: i have /follow macro binded to ~ key, in reach of my pinky, and gotten used to mashing it whenever i think it is necessery, works nicely
i dont like having /follow in other macro's, as often i like my alts to stay put while i move around

for any other questions, use the search, read around, enjoy your stay :D
06-09-2008, 01:05 PM
kidvid

About baiting the Eurocomp

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Originally Posted by 'Ellay',index.php?page=Thread&postID=72805#post728 05

I spam the crap out of my /follow button :) it's not in the macro's as that would mess up other critical areas. My healer is overall just likes to have fun and against a Eurocomp he's going to get sapped regardless - that's the only way that team will open up on me, so it was a bait and get the fight started move. I'll keep myself alive until he gets out of sap.
I only use lesser healing wave, but with all the cc / fears going on , they will cast at different times, I'm just spamming the heal button.

Interesting. Aren't you afraid the priest is going to mana drain the pally and LOS him behind the pillars?

For Eurocomps, I'd say Disc Priests have been one, if not, our biggest problem so far. Often times, the druid will take over healing and the priest will mana drain me over and over until I don't have any left. Even if we get the warrior down quickly during the rush, it still doesn't give us enough advantage over the priest and all his tricks. Given the fact that Disc Priests have an "out" -- how do you normally think about them when you start to prioritize your targets? I'm guessing you normally kill them with a quick switch.
06-09-2008, 01:10 PM
Kicksome

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Originally Posted by 'Talos',index.php?page=Thread&postID=72810#post728 10

also use the search function, ellay already replied to many of these questions before

Uhhh - this is out of left field. He's asking three questions about a specific video that was just posted AND Ellay was nice enough to respond already.
06-09-2008, 04:38 PM
Ellay

Mage is the largest concern for Eurocomp, you have to drop it ASAP or put pressure on him, the healers duty is to keep you alive and have situational awareness. If your healer is taking heat from Mana Burns they need to call it out, make a switch over to the priest and throw 1 set of lightning bolts at him and go right back onto the Mage. The priest will then have to switch into defensive mode, usually running behind some type of LoS object.

Eurocomp is all about control, and the mage has the highest burst / damage on the team - take him out of the equation on their setup falls apart.
06-09-2008, 04:44 PM
�ONFLUX

LOVE IT OMG
07-09-2008, 03:37 AM
Elektric

Quote:

Originally Posted by 'Ellay',index.php?page=Thread&postID=72875#post728 75

Mage is the largest concern for Eurocomp, you have to drop it ASAP or put pressure on him, the healers duty is to keep you alive and have situational awareness. If your healer is taking heat from Mana Burns they need to call it out, make a switch over to the priest and throw 1 set of lightning bolts at him and go right back onto the Mage. The priest will then have to switch into defensive mode, usually running behind some type of LoS object.

Eurocomp is all about control, and the mage has the highest burst / damage on the team - take him out of the equation on their setup falls apart.

YOU ARE GOD!

I just searched Eurocomp while doing arena...these guys where tearing me up!

I let the rogue get the jump, Fire Shocked dropped the novas...then I preceded to purge and instant nuke the mage. GG. They team left the arena after that. I owned em and they new it, amazing information you give away sir!
07-09-2008, 07:08 AM
sway

What's your suggestion versus teams with 3 healers for example heal Shamy, heal Pala, Disc priest and MM hunter and MS Warrior ???
or is that what euro comp means???
07-09-2008, 11:32 AM
Elektric

Eurocomp

Eurocomp = resto druid, discipline priest, lock, mage, rogue

THis is a 2 healer group.

They are really tough because they CC the hell out of you. Heres the list that keeps you locked down Cyclone,Cheap Shot, Sap, Blind, 2XFear, Deathcoil, Warlock Pet Silence, Counterspell, and Sheep.

The rogue usually opens up like Ellay talks about in this video. The others then zerg to CC the group, usually followed by a fear bomb to disorient the group then a cyclone on the healer. In the meantime the Mage is winding up to nuke you down. Re-applying Grounding totems is not an option at this point because the Water Elemental, Moonfire, Ice Lance make quick work of them. Not to mention that theres probably another fear on its way. But amazingly its UBER easy to beat. Put some pressure on the rouge to distract healing before the mage and fear bombs arrive. The first chance you get I trinket out of whatever damn CC they had going on and purge nuked the mage. Its all over from there. A very chaotic fight, but ones the mage is gone they've got nothing.

As Ellay has pointed out on the 3 healer groups, your main concern is DPS. Drop the 1 DPS and be aware of potential resurrections and its gg. Theyre going to send in the Wariror first, So I usually cast the usual opener Lightning Bolt, Chain Lightning, Frost Shock (I dont like melee running around me). Against this group unless the warrior isnt geared theres a great chance he's still alive...Purge purge purge. As the healers move In I cast one set of lightning bolts at the shaman (hes the softest, and the grounding totem is annoying every 15s), Two things happen at this point. The shaman usually runs, the other healers heal him. This is the moment of opportunity to purge nuke the hunter or warrior. Your healer should have no problem keeping you up in this fight, but throw in a heal if you need to. Purging against these targets does some nasty damage, they're losing thousands of HP because of the MoW, Fort, and Kings buffs. Once a DPS is down, heal if you need to and stop drop the searing totems to mitigate res attempts. If youre OOM, which happens if thiings dont go perfectly to plan, go drink or wait on regen. 1 Dps will have a hell of a time killing you with all your totems down and healer up.

Thats just how I've been doing it and its working like a charm. Watch Ellay's video if you havent, he goes over all this...priceless I tell you PRICELESS!!!!
07-09-2008, 11:56 AM
sway

i only know the unfinished training movie, is there any other eurocomp vid? i think i missed it :(

/edit

got it :)
07-09-2008, 12:33 PM
Havelcek

RE: Eurocomp

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Originally Posted by 'Elektric',index.php?page=Thread&postID=85262#post 85262

Eurocomp = resto druid, discipline priest, lock, mage, rogue

Where does the term "Eurocomp" come from? European competition?
07-09-2008, 01:02 PM
Ellay

Europe calls it the RogueDrood or similar to that, basically the team was never utilized in U.S. and it was all over the place in Europe and was easily #1 on most brackets. It became a huge flavor of the month in the U.S when people tried it out and realized it completely destroyed 2345 and 2346 which were all you would see in a top 20 listing.

So basically it became the counter against the best teams out there.
Triple Melee or Cleave came along and destroyed Eurocomp to offset them.
Triple Healer counter comps Triple Melee and 2345 can usually beat both of these.

It's a weird cycle of rock paper scissors with skill usually resulting in the win at the end. Luckily there is no counter comp for Quad Shaman :)
07-09-2008, 10:44 PM
Mokoi

Quote:

Originally Posted by 'Ellay',index.php?page=Thread&postID=85354#post853 54

Luckily there is no counter comp for Quad Shaman

ever been against an elemental shaman, triple frost mage and boomkin?

these guys with gear are ridiculous to me LOL theres at least 3 teams on Ruin like this now and its ridiculous, they just rush in, heroism and burn people down, with aoe and directed spells at whoever they please.

eep
07-10-2008, 02:16 PM
Ellay

Fight fire with Fire :) drop fire nova totems and blow your cooldowns as long as their grounding totem isn't down, if it is use 1 shock and go for the mages aoeing, you have the potential of dropping 2 this way.
07-10-2008, 10:38 PM
Mokoi

not going to lie, this team demolished me, and I had no chance. 3 mages target different shamans and counterspell. by the time they are back, my main is dead because he is bursted veay easily by 5 DPS with a huge amount of dmg lol

it was supa ghey! XD
07-10-2008, 11:23 PM
Bradster

Thing that annoys me the most, is many cry stated this is cheating etc. They never stopped to think just how long Ellay worked hard in achieving this and that it�s well earned. Not many have the ambition to go this far. The amount of time, work different strategies and changes made to make this happen is true dedication. No one understands this.