[WoW] AOE Paladin Boosting, when to move on to next instance?

I've been running my alts through Deadmines and SFK, and now they are around 21-22. I can easily do Scarlet Monestary with my holy pally, pretty large pulls, and my spell dmg kills most stuff before I get too worried. I also made a macro for all my alts that can heal to heal my main, and that helps a lot. But I'm wondering, would I be better off going to Gnomer first? (I'm Aliance BTW, so until the alts are 30 getting to SM is a long run...) I really never liked Gnomer tho, corpse runs suck a lot (but maybe not necessary with a 70 lol)

I also sometimes put it on Master Looter, then I only have the Greens to deal with. I want to level faster, and get gold at 70 when its ez mode (7x daily quests FTW!)

Should I just keep doing SM and only loot the bosses? Or am I gimping the XP Too much by being barely able to enter the instance? That was my plan but the stupid Library is bugged and some mobs don't keep attacking when I pull, and they run back, makes my AOE less effective, and I get some random dude wailing on my alts when I'm not expecting it. I've been doing Armory, which is pretty easy, and then I'll do Cath. Then my plan was to do ZF (just because I can pull while mounted...) until 45 and then do Strath (holy wrath > undead) until 58 then off to outland and regular 5 boxing. Is that a good idea? Or does anyone have any other thoughts?

Stay in SM till 40 and move onto ZF. Screw Gnomer, it's terrible for boosting. Also the library isn't bugged. Some zones the mobs will purposely reset if you run to far away just like outside of instances. Gnomer is actually one of these zones which is one of the bigger reasons why it sucks for boosting.

I've used two different paladins too boost. 1 with 11k hp and 950~ spell dmg and another with 8.3k hp and 300 spell dmg (green "of the sorcerer" gear) and tbh the surviablility of your paladin comes more from the talents and abilities rather than your gear. Using BoL and strafing, which most people don't :( , while gathering mobs makes up for alot of gear issues. Sure it's still much nicer to use my BT geared pally in comparison to my green geared pally but till you get past ZF it's not a huge difference. Gear does start to come heavily into play in BRD+

Come to think of it some people have said that RFK/RFD isn't too bad at this level you might try that. Or if you're not already in SM you could boost in Stocks till 26-27 since you're alliance.

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Originally Posted by 'daviddoran',index.php?page=Thread&postID=72406#po st72406

That was my plan but the stupid Library is bugged and some mobs don't keep attacking when I pull, and they run back, makes my AOE less effective, and I get some random dude wailing on my alts when I'm not expecting it.

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Back in the days (before Burning Crusade) i used "Consecration (Rank 1)" while pulling mobs (all the time, when it wasn't on CD that is), not sure if it's still working tho :S

I guess I'm not the only one who hated gnomer... Thanks for the info on Library, I will try rank1 consecration to keep em angry at me. I actually have so much mana with all my +int gear I can probably just spam a higher rank. I'll experiment to find the ideal combo of dmg vs mana consumption.

I would go st at level 35 :)

Yesterday i found this video http://www.warcraftmovies.com/movieview.php?id=78555 , and after seeing it i went down there to test it and got 2 druids from 46-50 in no time

but this will prolly be fixed very soon

So your saying once you hit lvl 35 got to sunken temple and do the trick in that video?

indeed 10 hrs will take you from 35-52

but dont forget meny shields or some repair bots spend 200g en repairs today from just that

Can you give me some detailed information about how to do this? Does it just go on forever until you decide to kill the boss? Should I wear my prot gear or spell damage? Anything else you can help with would be appreciated.

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Originally Posted by 'Ruodhaid',index.php?page=Thread&postID=73857#post 73857

I would go st at level 35 :)

Yesterday i found this video http://www.warcraftmovies.com/movieview.php?id=78555 , and after seeing it i went down there to test it and got 2 druids from 46-50 in no time

but this will prolly be fixed very soon

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I am trying to DL the vid now, but what exactly is the trick? Endless spawns or something? If yo ucan get from 35-50 that fast, I better get to 35 lol!

I am

Sadly, downranking Consecration is rubbish these days :( And yes, I hate Gnomer too.

body pull the boss, have your back against the wall

go afk whit blessing of stanctuary and retribution aura, come back every now and then to press your Figurine of the Colossus

When the boss dies of hitting you, zone out reset :)

if you cant see the movie then just find a mini boss troll named zolo in st and do what i postet above

this is the gear/spec i use, but you can prolly do whit any paladin aslong as you have the blessing

i bring 3 shields whit me when i do this and 2 stacks of repair bots

Wow, so you just afk and auto kill the skeleton adds for like hours at a time? Eek! I'm holy spec currently, but I'd respec for this. Gotta get that trinket too, never dropped for me so far. I have a 41 hunter im gonna try this with.

Are there any other similar encounters at lower lvls? If you could do this before lvl 20, you could have 60 levels in under a day while being AFK most of the time...

I'm so going to have to try this, was thinking about boosting with a 70 mage but this makes me want to try out my paladin. Can anyone recomend a paly spec for this. I've only ever been a healing paly.

I guess I need to start running shattered halls for that trinket.

Do the skeletons interupt spell casting? Because if they don't you don't need the figurine you could simply throw on concentration aura when you need to heal yourself along with Spiritual Focus and not have any healing spell push back.

Well the skeletons don't seem to interrupt and this method seems to be working great however Zolo eventually dies on me. How do you keep him from dying when you do this? Just turn off retribution aura and have your back to him?

I assume he'd have to die eventually, unless he self heals, but then he still will eventually run OOM. Maybe your spell damage is too high? Too bad you can't downrank auras. I guess once he dies, you just run out reset and repeat.

oh man i cant wait to try this.

How long is it before he dies? Has no one figured out a way to keep him alive longer?

Seems like its a pretty far run with 5 lowbies, to get back to the boss every time he dies. I would think this slows you down quite a bit?

I tried this yesterday. My first run I used the Petrified Lichen Guard shield with a felsteel shield spike Zolo died in about 2 minutes. For the next runs, I only used the Petrified Lichen Guard to clear the trash and used my other shields without spikes for Zolo himself. Zolo lasted much much longer when I only used ret aura and BoSanct. I believe it was 3 cycles of the colossus trinket, so about 6+ minutes. On the next attempt, I feared Zolo every time I could bubble myself. This prolonged the fight a bit and also caused Zolo to drop another skeleton totem whenever fear broke. My twink was level 45 when I started and 48 when it was time to raid BT. On my best run, I reset the FuExperience statistics counter and hit 200k xp/hr. Obviously, the true number is lower including clear/travel time to the boss, but when you're actually at Zolo, you can crank out a lot of exp.

If you view the big circle as a clock, you have 6 possible locations for Zolo to spawn. If he spawns at 11 o'clock or 1 o'clock, you can leave the twink right there near the entrance portal which makes the run much faster. Tip: Make sure you have sense undead on. I think out of the 6 times I did this yesterday, Zolo was at the 7 o'clock position 3 times, 11 o'clock 1 time, 1 o'clock 1 time, and 9 o'clock 1 time.

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Originally Posted by 'Dezeral',index.php?page=Thread&postID=76385#post7 6385

I tried this yesterday. My first run I used the Petrified Lichen Guard shield with a felsteel shield spike Zolo died in about 2 minutes. For the next runs, I only used the Petrified Lichen Guard to clear the trash and used my other shields without spikes for Zolo himself. Zolo lasted much much longer when I only used ret aura and BoSanct. I believe it was 3 cycles of the colossus trinket, so about 6+ minutes. On the next attempt, I feared Zolo every time I could bubble myself. This prolonged the fight a bit and also caused Zolo to drop another skeleton totem whenever fear broke. My twink was level 45 when I started and 48 when it was time to raid BT. On my best run, I reset the FuExperience statistics counter and hit 200k xp/hr. Obviously, the true number is lower including clear/travel time to the boss, but when you're actually at Zolo, you can crank out a lot of exp.

If you view the big circle as a clock, you have 6 possible locations for Zolo to spawn. If he spawns at 11 o'clock or 1 o'clock, you can leave the twink right there near the entrance portal which makes the run much faster. Tip: Make sure you have sense undead on. I think out of the 6 times I did this yesterday, Zolo was at the 7 o'clock position 3 times, 11 o'clock 1 time, 1 o'clock 1 time, and 9 o'clock 1 time.

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Some good info! Thanks!

Is Zolo considered undead? If not, how did you fear him? With your alts?

http://www.wowhead.com/?npc=5712. He's undead yes :)

Is that leveling method more tailored for 1-2 alts in group or can 4 alts get good xp off the skeleton kills?

Just reset zolo when at he is at 10%, jump down to the dragons, he will evade and reset, you can run op again :)

the respawn rate of trash trolls is however insane, so you want zolo to be on the first platform i just keep resetting the instance untill i got him at that platform, and then i use that instance / evading trick for the rest of the time

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Originally Posted by 'Ruodhaid',index.php?page=Thread&postID=76628#post 76628

Just reset zolo when at he is at 10%, jump down to the dragons, he will evade and reset, you can run op again :)

the respawn rate of trash trolls is however insane, so you want zolo to be on the first platform i just keep resetting the instance untill i got him at that platform, and then i use that instance / evading trick for the rest of the time

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Now THAT is what im talking about. Thats what i was looking for!!

35->50 in just over 10 hrs.
160k xp/hr sustained for 5 hour session. (Includes hearthing to Stonard for repairs and running back in).

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Just reset zolo when at he is at 10%, jump down to the dragons, he will evade and reset, you can run op again :)

the respawn rate of trash trolls is however insane, so you want zolo to be on the first platform i just keep resetting the instance untill i got him at that platform, and then i use that instance / evading trick for the rest of the time

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1. Funnily enough this is the exact same thing I figured out. Resetting, refinding Zolo, Clearing to Zolo for your alts is a huge time sink and not worth it. When you first enter the zone take only your 70 to scout ahead and find if Zolo is in one of the first 2 platforms (11 and 1 o'clock positions on the minimap). If you're careful you can run right up to the platforms w/o aggroing a single mob. If Zolo is not in one of the first platforms reset the instance till he is.

2. Once you have found Zolo on either the 11 or 1 o'clock platforms clear the 3 mob packs on the stairs as you're running back to the entrance where your lowbies are.

3. Now that you have your alts at Zolo's platform make sure they are out of aggro range of the skeletons and also the pats in the stairway (Was really only a concern in the mid 30's for me).

4. Now that you're ready to pull Zolo you need to understand how this works. You're not actually trying to kill the skeletons with your reflective damage, you simply need to tag the skeleton with any sort of damage to be able to recieve xp for your alts. The skeletons are only summoned for 45 seconds and then they will automatically die. If durning that 45 seconds you do even 1 point of damage to them your alts will recieve the xp once the die.

-HOWEVER-

As some of you have noticed too much reflective gear can kill Zolo super quick resulting in alot of unneeded down time. After several hours I finally figured out that the only thing you need to do this BoSanct. NO SHEILD SPIKE, NO RETRIBUTION AURA!!! Use Devotion Aura unless you're armor capped which at this level is probably around 18k ac, then you could probably just keep concentration aura on.
-BoSanct, Spike, Ret Aura = Zolo living for 6 mins.
-BoSanct, Spike = 12-15 mins.
-BoSanct = 30+mins.

Again you're not actually killing the skeletons, you're just tagging them and they will automatically die after 45 secs. which is plenty of time for you to get a block off on one of their attacks which will proc BoSanct and tag them for you lowbies. Don't use conscreation either.

Try your best to not accidently melee Zolo. Each hit probably knocks off about 1 min. of his life and he loves to try to get in front of you. He is also transparent and a pain to see at times.

5. Once Zolo hits roughly 8-10% I heal up to full, at 3% I jump off the platform trying to avoid the dragonkin, and straight back to Zolo's platform, heal up, switch out gear if needed, and get back too it.

6. Once your gear is all broken and you have to repair, unless you really want to spend the money on a repair bot which I wouldn't recommend, hearth to Stonard (or Nethergarde for alliance), repair and ride straight back. Again being careful you should be able to run all the way to the platform w/o aggroing anything which is another reason you will want to have Zolo on one of the first 2 platforms. Rinse and Repeat for as long as you got the time.

7. Some of you are probably finding out this can be quite expensive in repair bills. I recommend buying 2 sets of green level 65-70 gear "of the elder, eagle" if you don't have the Figurine of the Colussus or "of stamina" if you do. You will also need about 3-4 shields per set of armor. Not only do you not need great gear to do this but it's too damn expensive to justify using your high quality gear for this.

With a measly 370 defense and no additional blocking, dodging, parrying, Figurine of the Colussus, CD's, or w/e other gimicks I can easily last indefinitely. Simply use SoW to build up mana in between heals, switch to concentration aura heal up, back to devotion aura, and continue using SoW. If you get back to full mana before you need another heal, use SoL to prolong the time before you need to heal yourself again. If your gear starts breaking durning mid fight don't freak out. Just focus and keep using SoW and make sure you're getting all you're swings in. I've actually gone on indefinetly with all broken gear excluding my shield. It is a pain in the ass to do it though and I don't recommend it but I'm simply pointing out that if you're gear does break mid fight don't reset, just keep going. Each reset sets you back alot of xp/hr.

If you do have the Figurine of Colussus this is ridiculously ez-mode as you can simply use the trinket once every 2 mins. and that should be all the healing you will need till your gear breaks.

8. This probably sounds more complicated then it is. Once you have done it a couple of times you'll see that this is super ez-mode. You don't really have to be paying full attention once you get it down and in fact to illustrate how easy it is, I wrote this whole post pretty much while using this strategy. :D GL!!!

Also wanted to point out that I think a Shaman and a Druid might be able to do this as well. For the Shaman use a low level shield spike, healing totems, figurine of the colussus. Druids use rank 1 thorns and should be armor capped with as much dodge gear as they can muster. Warriors might be able to pull this off if the have a Figurine, low level shield spike, and defensive stance.

I don't know for sure on these classes as I haven't tried them and also the lack of BoSanct might not work out for them too well. If anyone does try them out, please let us know how it went!

I happen to have the Naglering, which does 3 damage, which is enough to tag em, but not enough to kill zolo too fast. Trouble is I am holy and I don't have nearly the staying power of a tankadin. I do have some tanking gear (couple heroic plate and some kara ones) and the Nightbane tanking shield, but I had better results with my skullflame shield a bit more reflective damage, less armor tho, and it has a spike :( but its life steal keeps me alive longer. I actually died before zolo :( But I got an amazing amount of xp, and because im holy, my heals heal for a lot, so with concetration on, and spiritual focus, I can heal without interruption, until my mana runs out (my tanking gear is mostly warrior stuff so no INT, and i only have 6300 mana in that gear)

Is it worth it to respec? Even with my half tank/half healer gear? The xp I am getting on my 41 (now 42 lol) hunter is crazy. As soon as my team reaches 35 this is a MUST for any instance booster. I will probably do it until the mobs are grey, just cause its so easy. I can actually watch the xp bar move... I can't wait to try this with a prot spec. Any tips for a build? It's basically just gonna be a boosting build just for this...

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Originally Posted by 'daviddoran',index.php?page=Thread&postID=76826#po st76826

I happen to have the Naglering, which does 3 damage, which is enough to tag em, but not enough to kill zolo too fast. Trouble is I am holy and I don't have nearly the staying power of a tankadin. I do have some tanking gear (couple heroic plate and some kara ones) and the Nightbane tanking shield, but I had better results with my skullflame shield a bit more reflective damage, less armor tho, and it has a spike :( but its life steal keeps me alive longer. I actually died before zolo :( But I got an amazing amount of xp, and because im holy, my heals heal for a lot, so with concetration on, and spiritual focus, I can heal without interruption, until my mana runs out (my tanking gear is mostly warrior stuff so no INT, and i only have 6300 mana in that gear)

Is it worth it to respec? Even with my half tank/half healer gear? The xp I am getting on my 41 (now 42 lol) hunter is crazy. As soon as my team reaches 35 this is a MUST for any instance booster. I will probably do it until the mobs are grey, just cause its so easy. I can actually watch the xp bar move... I can't wait to try this with a prot spec. Any tips for a build? It's basically just gonna be a boosting build just for this...

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BoSanct is a must for paladin boosting. When you are taking damage from literally hundreds of mobs this blessing lowers the incoming damage by a tremendous amount. TBH this is the only time this blessing really shines. Yes you may be able to heal for much more in holy spec but you are also taking alot more damage. With a proper "boosting" spec you will only need to heal every 3-4 mins.

Again I don't recommend using any raid tanking gear either, yes it will do just fine keeping you up but the reality is you just don't need it and it costs way too much in the long run to repair it. Spending a mere 180g I bought my paladin a complete "of the elder" set along, some rings, a neck piece, 3 shields and she is sitting at 11.5k hp, 370 def, 140 mp5, 200 healing and I don't have a single problem keeping myself up indefinitely.

If I was to respec holy and put on my +2100 healing set I'd probably be OOM long before Zolo was ready to die. You also don't block or parry when you are casting a spell, so even though you aren't getting spell push back you are taking alot more damage every time you need to heal.

So I respecced to Prot, my it's wonderful! I mean I loved being holy and healing, but it sucked for anything solo. I can't believe I didn't do this before! I guess I was afraid of paying too much gold to go back and forth. It will be kinda moot though, as I am leveling 2 more paladins, one on the same account as my main and another on my 2nd account. Then I can keep one holy and one prot on the same acct and not worry about spec. Hell, I love pallies so much, I'll probably make a dedicated Ret pally, and tri box :)

Anyway, as prot spec, with BoSanct, i lasted MUCH longer. Especially with my Skullflame shield, the lifesteal once upped my HP by 5%! I am gonna look for any other lifestealing stuff, and maybe I can just live indefinately...

It's just rediculous how fast the xp builds up. In just a couple hours (most of which me trying out different gear/resetting/dying) i got 2 levels out of my hunter.

Bah! I worked my butt off to get my Pally up to par for grinding and now I have to undo everything for this :P It'll be well worth it though. I am going to try your strat tonight Tdog. Since my alts hit 38 last night, SM XP is slow going.

A couple of questions with probably more to come afterward.

1st question - I have tried viewing the video alot but I cant seem to view it. Any ideas?

2nd question - I tried doing this on my own with out my alts just to try it and with a defense rating of 491 and an armor of 14500 with devotion aura on and the mobs still ate me alive. In fact the only way I was able to heal was to bubble and heal. But being prot and not holy I was only able to heal a little bit. Can u help me with this.

3rd question - Once you jump off the platform do the mobs chase after you and kill your alts ?

Thanks for you support !!! :thumbsup:

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Originally Posted by 'Marathon',index.php?page=Thread&postID=77527#post 77527

A couple of questions with probably more to come afterward.

1st question - I have tried viewing the video alot but I cant seem to view it. Any ideas?

2nd question - I tried doing this on my own with out my alts just to try it and with a defense rating of 491 and an armor of 14500 with devotion aura on and the mobs still ate me alive. In fact the only way I was able to heal was to bubble and heal. But being prot and not holy I was only able to heal a little bit. Can u help me with this.

3rd question - Once you jump off the platform do the mobs chase after you and kill your alts ?

Thanks for you support !!! :thumbsup:

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1. /shrug works just fine for me. Google pally st boosting you might find another video of it. Although the way I personally am doing this is imo easier and more efficient than the videos I've seen.

2. I'm assuming you're using top rank of BoSanct right? Using Concentration Aura AND spiritual focus talent when you heal? When you do go to heal, switch to concentration aura and then use Holy Light not Flash of Light. Even though FoL is more mana efficient you do not block or parry while casting thus you take a ton of damage while trying to heal yourself. HL is 3x the HPS as FoL and you will suffer less healing time thus less damage taken while trying to heal up.

Also don't be trying to heal constantly either. I usually don't heal up till I'm at about 1000 hp. You may want to heal up at about 1500 the first few times till you get use to it. Either way the goal is to stay in 30% range for as long as you can since you are taking the least amount of damage due to Ardent Defender. With 5/5 reckoning + SoL you can basically just keep yourself healed in the 30% range with just that alone for a good long time.

Don't stand in the middle of the platform either or the skeletons will surround you and you will be taking damage from behind by alot of skeletons. Stand in the corner of the platform by the edge. This will force all of the skeletons to be in front of you thus you will have a chance to block, dodge, parry every single attack thrown at you. It will also make it so you can easily use SoW and SoL as the skeletons will want to move all over the place on you.

3. No, they all evade immediately after jumping off the platform. As long as they aren't in aggro range/LOS you're lowbies will not get aggro.

I do it the super super lazy way. I park my shamans near, drop healing + a stoneskin totem. :P

I just jump down with the paladin, shamans die. Res them when I come back up. Although it is a little shady, who knows what would happen if a GM spotted you :p


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I was teasing about it being shady, creative use of game mechanics all the way!

Thanks for the replies ... my 3 alts are still in SM at level 32 atm. But I am going to get them to 35 by tonight or at least by tommorow.

I am using the highest BoSan - And switched to conentration aura when i tried to heal. But no I did not have the spirtual focus talents. I am 49 Protection and 12 Ret - and I dont have th 5/5 in recokening either in the prot tree. So I guess I should respec. How do you think I should respec ?

Thanks again for the support. :thumbup:

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Originally Posted by 'Kayley',index.php?page=Thread&postID=77594#post77 594

I do it the super super lazy way. I park my shamans near, drop healing + a stoneskin totem. :P

I just jump down with the paladin, shamans die. Res them when I come back up. Although it is a little shady, who knows what would happen if a GM spotted you :p


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I was teasing about it being shady, creative use of game mechanics all the way!

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Yea I was explaining how to do it with just a paladin for everyone's benefit. Obviously different group make up will have different options.

As far as it being shady...It's a whole hell of alot less shady than the paladin/mage zone out method that Athene used for the longest time. And after doing a bit of research I've discovered posts of this strategy as far back as april of 2007 which said posts suggested that it was around even longer than that. So I can't believe for even a second that blizzard doesn't already know about this method.

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Originally Posted by 'Marathon',index.php?page=Thread&postID=77682#post 77682

Thanks for the replies ... my 3 alts are still in SM at level 32 atm. But I am going to get them to 35 by tonight or at least by tommorow.

I am using the highest BoSan - And switched to conentration aura when i tried to heal. But no I did not have the spirtual focus talents. I am 49 Protection and 12 Ret - and I dont have th 5/5 in recokening either in the prot tree. So I guess I should respec. How do you think I should respec ?

Thanks again for the support. :thumbup:

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Yea you're not going to be getting heals off unless you are 100% immune to spell pushback.

If you don't have the Figurine of the Colussus I'd suggest you get spirtual focus. Using alts to heal won't work because it may take a few seconds to get a block off and generate some aggro and skeletons are respawning all the time so you're alts will definitely die if you try to use them to heal yourself. You can however using healing totems if you have shamans. Once you reset the group will die but you can just rez them up once you get back to the top.

Reckoning isn't necessary but it is very nice as it will always be up and you'll practically be swinging twice as fast thus receiving twice the benefit of SoW and SoL.

Yeah I dont have Figurine of the Colussus just one of those nice trinkets I never got. I looked it up and it has a 12% drop rate. ;(

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Originally Posted by 'Marathon',index.php?page=Thread&postID=77711#post 77711

Yeah I dont have Figurine of the Colussus just one of those nice trinkets I never got. I looked it up and it has a 12% drop rate. ;(

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Well Fortunately you don't need it. I don't have it either and I've been doing just fine. Doing it right now in fact on my 2nd team :D

Ideas about best spec for this ? Besdies the 1o points in holy for the 5/5 for spirtual focus?

Ok my 2 shammys and 1 mage have all hit 35 .. blah so tired of SM .... going to try and get a few practice runs in before I actually sink the time to bring my alts.

I used to be full holy spec with just enough points in prot to get kings, and when I respecced to mostly prot, I didn't do any in holy (cause I wanted improved ret aura) but I can see now that the points in ret aren't necessary, as BoSanct does more dmg anyway. I'm probably gonna respec (again, ugh) and put the rest into holy. Having more INT always helps, and for self healing, spiritual focus and conc. aura are must haves. When WotLK comes out, we get 10 more points at 80 (and even better gear) so you could do mostly prot, a bit in holy, and still go 10 in ret to get Deflection (increased parry) Then it will be extreme ezmode. Hell you could probably boost in outland instances...

But, I was able to watch my health go up by as much as 5% with my skullflame shield. Its lifestealing proc must be going crazy. That and JoL keeps me up pretty good. And there's always LoH. I used to always get improved LoH, but even then the CD is sooo long, that it's only worth it if you are deep into holy as a raid main healer, and are already OOM...

My alts just hit 30-31, so a bit more SM boosting (which is getting faster BTW) and it's off to ST. Too bad the new patch and lvl 30 mounts aren't out yet, it'd be a whole lot easier with mounts and crusader aura.