I was just wondering if
Doing a 5 box group of paladins would even be worth wild…
5 Blessings
5 auras
Plate armor
5 Consecrations
5 judged blessings
might be wroth a try..
or 4 Warrior toons and 1 holy Paladin?
A set up for 4 or 5 Deathknights?!
DPS + Plate and healing?
Comments?
Being I have been Boxing for just over 3 weeks now
I was wondering if anyone has tried ether of the
Above combos and if it’s even worth it?
Thanks!
it depends on what your goals are for the team - I think it sounds like a lot of fun working out the details/logistics of controlling a group comp like those (either one). I tend to align with the mindset that if the group comp you're playing is fun, than it's totally worth it.
Wow that was Harsh......Quote:
Originally Posted by 'Fursphere',index.php?page=Thread&postID=67555#pos t67555
Ya might want to get a grip on that Intolerance Issue you seem to have..
New people like me may think your a Huge Jerk
did someone Dis you when you first started multi-boxing?
wow... seriously?Quote:
Originally Posted by 'Fursphere',index.php?page=Thread&postID=67559#pos t67559
Ok. This has NO sarcasm at all.
Let me tell you a little story on How I broke my youngest “17 year old” from
Saying Just Kidding and “Disclaimers for Jerky posts” works to
One day my daughter was talking to a friend of hers.
Her friend said something to her, my daughter replied
Very harshly to her “Friend” NOTE: this is a friend of hers
Since she was 5 and they consider each other best friends,
When my daughters friend got upset and started to cry at
What my daughter had said to her, my daughters replay
Was O I was Just Kidding…
My daughter came over to my car and got in to go home.
When we had gotten out of range I gave her a good little slap
On the arm, not hard enough to be mean just a little Sting
My daughters reply was OUCH that hurt
My Reply to my daughter was “O Just Kidding”
My daughter then said well it still hurts
When you slap someone in the Face for making a Newbie
Mistake and then give it a “Disclaimer” you cheapen the
Entire relationship from that point on.
My apologies for Not being as good as you are in searching this site
For the information I needed/wanted.
But your Jerky reaction to it is still mean and well plain and simple
Makes you a Jerk.
Now having said that “NO Disclaimer”
I am willing to start over if you are if not good luck and
Have a fun life
if yes Howdy my name is Zruam and I am a
Newbie to this multi-boxing way of life using software
Though I have 2boxed it with my computers for a while.
So forgive me if I make a mistake or two along the way.
Don't mind Fur, he's on a wiki spree today ;p
To be fair though these decisions are ultimately up to you:
Question: Will X/Y/Z work?
Counter-Question: Is/will it be fun to you?
If answer = no, don't do it
If answer = yes, go for it! =D
If answer = maybe, try it, you got nothin to lose.
It all falls to your specific playstyle and what you enjoy; I personally hate mages and thus will never roll one, they're too boring to me. I also have enough trouble keeping up with matching classes so till I'm more sure of myself, I stick to single-class multibox teams. Ask yourself, would you enjoy the melee classes? Having to re-follow after every fight, and sometimes multiple times Mid-Fight too? Chasing down runners with melee sound fun? Give it a try, see if you like it, if not, don't need to go back ;)
To Be Honest, I am having as much fun figuring out
What the heck I am doing, and learning Higher lvl macroing
Than I have used in WoW before.
2 boxing with 2 computers, 2 trackballs, heck 2 of everything
side by side is fun this is better lol
It's all about the macros and key bindings, imo. Once you know how to write efficient macros and have your bindings set for what works for you, then you can make just about any combo work as long as you like playing it. Personally, I don't like the positional requirements of melee classes when I multi-box, but someone else might really enjoy it. Try many variations and see if you like it. I have so many lowbie teams of various compositions that I really need to go back and clean up. Anyhow, good luck to you and have fun!
Your post is not specific. Additionally, answers to the most basic, "has anyone tried this", question could have been found via searching the forums.
You then ask the "is it worthwhile" type question. How is anyone supposed to answer this? Worthwhile as measured by what? Worthwhile on what type of content?
You also lump in too many group combinations (including death knights that no one has actually played or seen enough info about to come to even the roughest of theorycrafting conclusions) for a reader to really figure out how to respond.
You may think Fursphere was rude to respond in the way that he did. He did actually search for and link two threads that have something you may have been looking for, however.
You say:Here's the deal, any one of the seasoned multiboxers who helps folks out here could have been thinking something along the lines of:Quote:
Wow that was Harsh......
Ya might want to get a grip on that Intolerance Issue you seem to have..
New people like me may think your a Huge Jerk
did someone Dis you when you first started multi-boxing?
"Wow, this poster was incredibly lazy.
(s)he might want to get a grip on how to post a question in a fashion that I can make a meaningful response to.
Old people like me worry that we're starting to attract more people who can't think for themselves, research or search for a quick answer, and want everything spoonfed."
I'm Currently Running 3 Pallies + Shaman, It is great ;) Can't w8 for WF-Totem.That would kick ass. I guess only Pallies? Naah thought about it, But you don't really need 5 Auras 5 Blessings 4 Would Rock, so you have any blessings and Auras you need, then a Heal Shaman for Earth shield and WF Totem ;) But my 5th is gonna be the DK, Hope he is great @ Tanking, If he isn't he's gonna be DPS ;)
For what it's worth, Fursphere can be incredibly helpful if you ask something that is remotely unique, expressed completely, and hasn't been covered 4,000 times.
Witness his very helpful response here. (Incredibly recently, to boot!)
are you guys the "typical" old timers of Dule-Boxing.com posters?Quote:
Originally Posted by 'Boylston',index.php?page=Thread&postID=67581#post 67581
if so let me go get my Vaseline and grab my ankles now...
Listen, I did search, sorry didn't find anything that helped so I asked.
IF I’m going to get Slapped around every time I ask a Newbie question
I might as well just stop asking...
Holy Cow Forgive me for not being the best of the best "Non-newbies"
I actually enjoy these kinds of discussions, and I assume the purpose of the post is more so to spark discussion then it is to just see if someone else has done it. Even if someone else has done it in the past, what's the harm in making a new thread about it and reviving the discussion. If he had used the search feature and found an old thread, it would probably be difficult to get any more meaningful discussion in it as his posts would likely get lost in the mix of all the other posts already in there.
I think a lot of people are just worked up since there was a post on the very subject of the "harshness" of the community just recently that got quite a few replies. People probably have that kind of stuff in the forefront of their minds and are acting on it a bit more then they normally would because of it. Personally, and while I don't consider myself one of the "old school" for sure, I don't think this post warranted the response, but that's just my opinion.
More to the point, I think it would be fun to try, you could have them all different specs and really min max your buffage with the pallies to get the most out of your auras/blessings. It would definately be a melee group though, which is difficult but seems to be more and more of a side project for people these days (look up TDog and his dogs of war sometime).
Discussing builds and setups would be fine and all...but again it's still a personal thing and you have to get started to begin with...like I told my ex-guild leader in DC, you can theory-craft all you want and it may look fine on paper but in practice it never works out that way; does it sound fun? Try it! It might just be fun :p We can't really tell you how fun or unfun it is, as someone who loves to melee box may ask if casters're fun and we'd all say yes then he tries it and bam hates it lol, at least roll 'em first and see how it starts ;)
The rest of you chill out, go read my karaoke posts to laugh a bit(with, or at me, either way) then come back when yer done ;p OP and others alike, neither side's being too patient or calm at the moment, shhh guys we got enough to deal with from the wow general forum posters, let's not fight amongst ourselves too :P
Thank you Khazrael
I have started the 5xPaladin thing and find the problem I am having
is with orientation of the toons for battle...
tried the run though and turn around with main thing
and also the run up stop and back up with the main thing
both work at the under lvl 5
though I have a lvl 70 paly who I have set up as a Holy Damage paly
I actually do more damage from getting HIT than I do hitting :-)
I like the melee damage thing rogues, Arms/Fury warriors was just interested
in talking with others who had or are trying it.
the statement about Deathknights, was kinda an off hand thing. since they will
be primarily melee, Kinda, and since you can only have 1 per Not sure if it's account or relm
4 or 5 of em dule-boxed might be kool lol
I'm not 100% sure if it is the intent of his post, but if he wants to start a discussion on the pro's/cons prospective builds and what other people might do with such a group, why is that not considered valid discussion material? The post really came off to me as more of a "what kind of things can you do with this setup" sort of way, but perhaps I just look at things from a different perspective.Quote:
Originally Posted by 'Eteocles',index.php?page=Thread&postID=67597#post 67597
Believe me, I'm just as tired of the inane posts that happen sometimes (bobmarley anyone?) but this one doesn't seem to fall into that category if you ask me. If you have an old thread with discussion on the same topic, then guess what it's old and outdated. Any new information since then probably isn't in that thread, and could be brought to light with a new thread to update people with.
I do a tad of melee multiboxing with my level 53 5 sham group. It's on a lesser scale as I have two enh shaman (one being my main) so I'm always working to throw my other enh shaman into place while in combat. What I do, is my primary nuke button maps my alternative melee character to follow my primary. So as I'm tanking and moving around, everytime I attack the target he follows me as I try to position him in place. Position is important though, and I really think its something you can only learn through trying. Keep practicing and see how well you can position the mobs for your melee alts to run in and lay down some pain.Quote:
Originally Posted by 'Zruam',index.php?page=Thread&postID=67600#post676 00
You could have tried...
I have been considering doing a 5xPaladin setup. This might have the advantages of:
5 Blessings
5 auras
Plate armor
5 Consecrations
5 judged blessings
How well do you think this would work for PvE instance running? I don't want to do much PvP, but do you think that the combination would be effective in the battlegrounds? If you have first hand experience (I searched and saw only one thread about someone who's tried this and it wasn't very current), I'd love to get feedback on how it's working.
Here's how I would have answered THAT question:
Here's a few comments/speculation based off what I know from playing Paladins in solo mode and multiboxing in instances:
First off, 5 auras/blessings will be somewhat "overkill". You rarely need more than 3 blessings on a target in any role, and once you have Devotion, Retribution, Sanctity covered, the other auras will be needed only very situationally.
Your group will be exceedingly durable since everyone is wearing plate (and potentially a shield). Unfortunately, the main source of DPS may be 5xConsecrates, which will be very slow to kill mobs relative to other group combinations (multiboxed or otherwise). Paladins do a fair amount of reactive damage as well on multiple targets, but the total DPS coming from this will not be more than if you had a single tanking paladin, generally speaking. Each mob is only going to attack 1 paladin at any given time.
You could, of course, do something with Retribution paladins, but then you're morphing into a multiple-melee group. This has been done before (search for "Dogs of War" to find a good thread highlighting some experiences with multiple melees) but it will almost certainly limit you to PvE content. It's also significantly harder than other multiboxing setups, so it may not be a good first choice for a group.
In short, I think this combination would be very durable but kill things incredibly slowly. It will also be severely gimped for PvP since you're either hoping people stand in 5x Consecrates or trying to control multiple melees. The total lack of fear mitigation (except for bubble) is the nail in the coffin from a PvP perspective.
5 Blessings?Quote:
Originally Posted by 'Zruam',index.php?page=Thread&postID=67551#post675 51
1. Kings - ok for all
2. Might - just for Melee and maybe the tank
3. Wisdom - yes for all
4. Light for +healing received, ok
5. Sanctuary - coming from the tank himself, less dmg reduction.
6. Salvation - great for all except the tank.
5&6 becomes an issue where you cast Salvation for all, and then Single Blessing Salvation yourself.
5 Auras?
1. Armor from Devo - ok
2. Consentration - ok for casters/healers
3. Retribution. Ok at lower levels, not really used in heroics / raid levels--except you have extra paladins.
4. Sanctitity - good +dmg all around
5. Specific Resist. Not much low level encounter where you would need more than 1 type of resist.
5 Judged Seals
1. Light
2. Wisdom
3. Crusade
4. Justice,
5. Blood if horde. Dunno what Allies really have
Where are 5 Paladins good at? Undead and Demon mobs:
1. SM graveyard
2. Undead Strath
3. Hellfire Peninsula
4. SMV
5. Botanica?
6. KZ
Naxx maybe?
I've ran 2 Paladins in my group. Shock Build 38/0/23. After the holy shock, I'd want to do some auto-attack w/ SoR. I find it irritating when my pally isn't in melee range.
I run an Arms warrior also with m 4-box, and same deal with melee. It takes some more micro to have them in place to auto swing.
I find it nice to have the Warrior on follow of my Prot Pally tank, and does a charge first, so then I just walk up to resume tanking.
But then I find my cast sequence on my warrior much more cumbersome to micro due to rage issues which I don't see in my main screen.
So I do ThunderClap and Demoshouts. Then just spam Slam and MS. And ofcournse sync key of Execute with Hammer of Wrath.
Now, I mix in a Combat Mace Rogue who just spams Hemo and Evis. I like the passive mace stuns. But positioning to be in melee range after the Warrior charges, and the Prot Pally moves into position, I dedicate a key for Shock Pally and Mace Rogue to inch up to melee range. But by then, the mob is in execute range. :)
After a few more gear, I'm gonna play with Shaman mixed in with the Melees.
Does anyone know if light/wisdom judges stack? I imagine not, but I've never tried it. That would be pretty cool to have too if you've got 5 melee pally's up there all the time, could amount to a lot of extra healing/mana.
this is to : FursphereQuote:
Originally Posted by 'Fursphere',index.php?page=Thread&postID=67591#pos t67591
Everyone else my apologies.
Ok I hope you have a great life I’m done with you in particular.
I was asking a question. Instead of trying to be helpful you
have gone out of your way to be a jerk.
I hope the next time you are New to something and make a
mistake, "by the way it was Only a mistake to you" that some
one is nicer and more helpful to you, than you have attempted
to be with me.
I could say I hope they slap the crap out of you and make you cry
but then that would be dropping to your lvl.
Good bye and welcome to my /ignore
A decently geared Ret pally has about enough many for 2 burst DPS. Judge SotC, Soc, (Stun, Judge, Crusader Strile, SoC --- repeat) Consecration Rank 1 is used for rogues.Quote:
Originally Posted by 'Boylston',index.php?page=Thread&postID=67605#post 67605
The problem with multi-melee is you lose follow on auto-attacks, and PvP targets usually don't cower in place, and instead run. You would have 15% run speed though, and chain Hammer of Stuns for your SoCs.
But gearing up that many pally, would be quite frustating. Shamans shoot-shoot style is more fun.
One Judged Seal per Paladin. AND One type of Judgement per mob. So yes, you can have Light and Wisdom from 2 paladins.Quote:
Originally Posted by 'Khazrael',index.php?page=Thread&postID=67607#post 67607
Lots of great info and ideas.
I like the idea of
5 blessings
5 auras
healing Plate
and maybe
5 different judgments
so everyone gets mana and health back
while doing max damage, well max for palys lol
ill keep at it for a while, I like the multy mob
abilities of a paladin.
I have not tried a Ret build for a while
Since I did a ton of PvP back Pre BC
But it may help hay it’s worth a try!
[quote='Sanctume',index.php?page=Thread&postID=6760 9#post67609]That is one of the Draw backs I am seeing as a problemQuote:
Originally Posted by 'Boylston',index.php?page=Thread&postID=67605#post 67605
and I agree my lvl 6 shamans are a ton of fun! Pew Pew
If you are going forward with the 5 pally keep me posted. I would like to hear how they do when they get to some outland instances and heroics.
Same thing I tell people in game who tell all of general they're ignoring someone: Just do it and move on; you don't need the last word, just do it and get back to the normal convo, noone cares if you ignore someone but you and the ignoree. :P
Light and Wis stack literally, but Multiple Lights do not stack and multiple Wis's do not stack; you can have both up but only one of each. Put the +holy dmg taken seal up on a third, Justice to slow runners on a fourth then fifth, hell if I remember as my set of palas is only lv6 and my solo-played lv58 prot pala is patches behind and, well, solo. :P
I may pick up the lv6s again...it's an interesting concept if you can stand hitting the follow key every 3 seconds, tons of blessings stackable; god help you if you your autoattacks get unsynched and only 2 of 5 or 3 of 5 are attacking lol
Also, just imagine if the old-style super reckoning bombs still worked...5x reckbombs = OHMYGODYESMORELOLZ
I am going to try a few different set ups
Toon wise
doing the 5x paly now
and the 5x Shaman
and the 5x Warlocks
and IF I get brave ill try
3x of this with 2x of that
or other set ups after I get
a better handle on it.
getting the macros made
and understanding the mechanics
of it are challenging.
I have learned more of macros
"Still a total newbie at it though"
in the last 3 weeks than I ever
knew before in WoW
there is so much that can be done
with the right macro Holy Cow
I like it, I like it a lot.
Eteo I can only response to you now in one way...
Omg /dogpile
mandatory thread de-railer
/drinks a cup of hulk fuel
/DOGPILE
OHGODMYSPLEENISBEINGCRUSHEDGETOFFYOUFATBASEMENTNER DBOTTERS =( lol ;D
This's the only active thread atm too...you guys've been so damn quiet all week, there's not enough songs to make karaoke out of at this rate, post more before I release a whole freakin album! :P
learn2privatemessageQuote:
Originally Posted by 'Zruam',index.php?page=Thread&postID=67608#post676 08
Please consider that starting a thread that didn't have a whole lot of information and wasn't adequately researched is somewhat "rude".
I think it's good that people post ideas, even if they're not unique ideas. Sure they can re-hash and search old threads. But I think part of the fun in theocrafting is discussing it "currently" with the community. And perhaps, find would be theocrafters to bounce ideas with.Quote:
Originally Posted by 'Khazrael',index.php?page=Thread&postID=67602#post 67602
I mean, sure I can dig up old discussions, but then some of those thread aren't worthy of digging it up. And perhaps, there wasn't really any real conclusion from those theorcrafts.
[quote='Eteocles',index.php?page=Thread&postID=6762 3#post67623]This's the only active thread atm too.[/quote]Just think if the op never posted this there would be no active posting...lol.
Try this one... it is good [url='http://www.dual-boxing.com/forums/index.php?page=Thread&threadID=7603']Ferocious inspiration and Furious Howl[/url]
I guess 3 Pally and 2 Shaman would be nice, 1 Enhancement and 1 Healer + 3 Retpally / 2Ret 1 Tankadin , Would be an Awesome Smash group.Quote:
and IF I get brave ill try
3x of this with 2x of that
or other set ups after I get
a better handle on it.
WF for everyone, + Attack power from the Shamy after crit.
Guess I add 1 Shaman to my group ^^
I'm not sure what's more annoying, wall of text or e.e.cummings-style.Quote:
Originally Posted by 'Zruam',index.php?page=Thread&postID=67618#post676 18
if he starts posting
in the format of Haiku
i might just implode
Zruam, keep in mind that if you're the curious type (and most multiboxers are) that you may find a way of doing things on your own that's nifty/novel and impress the rest of us. Don't sell yourself short. ;)
okay back on topic
Dumb imo. To much micromanagment on movement for me.Quote:
5 Palys? 4 Arms/Fury warriors and a Holy Paly? dumb idea or hmm...
Are you just hanging around Looking for something to complain about? or is it a way of life for you to attempt to Flame, troll, etc? im sure if I type all in a true wall of text that will give you something else to complain about. If it makes you happy and go away ill start typing in long drawn out lines of text that have no end and no punctuation and just wrap around. I guess I should just let this pass due to All of the so very very helpful people besides you that have posted so far.Quote:
I'm not sure what's more annoying, wall of text or e.e.cummings-style.
if he starts posting
in the format of Haiku
i might just implode
Thank you!Quote:
Originally Posted by 'Gurblash',index.php?page=Thread&postID=67634#post 67634
A Truly and honest reply with a qualifier to why is exactly the type
of information I was looking for.
and to be honest it IS so much micromanagement on movement I agree
but even if it stops working for me I am learning allot about movement
in Multi-boxing from the experience.