[How To:] Looting without switching windows

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04-22-2008, 04:38 PM
MaiN

[How To:] Looting without switching windows
Video of it being done: http://www.teamz.dk/Multi-Loot.wmv

How to:
1. Navigate to <Path to WoW dir>\WTF\Account\<account name>\
2. Open up "bindings-cache.wtf"
3. Scroll down, and under the last binds, add "bind F7 TURNORACTION"(Right click) and "bind F6 CAMERAORSELECTORMOVE" (Left click)
4. Do that for all your accounts
5. Launch WoW and log in like you usually would do, and have all in windowed mode.
6. Launch "KeyClone"
7. Zoom all your characters but your mains camera into first person (just keep zooming until it can't get further in)
8. Kill some mobs with group loot, and be sure to get so close as i do in the video to the mob.
9. Click "F7" and watch!
04-22-2008, 04:52 PM
Tehtsuo

Gonna have to verify this one when I get home. It sounds feasible, and looting via keypress is a major holy grail that most all of us would love to have. I wonder if it'd be considered against the terms of service even though it's available through a mod to a config file (one that's often referred to by blizzard support reps in fact)

Question: Will this remove binds from the mouse buttons? I'm assuming we can use a different keybind than f7.
04-22-2008, 04:53 PM
MaiN

No it won't everything will stay as it was before; your only adding something.
And yes, you can use other keys of course. :)
I've been using it an hour now, and once you get the hang of it you do it about 4/5 times, and lately I've been doing it 7/8 times.
04-22-2008, 04:56 PM
gamemaster000

Hmm.. I gotta try this. The "holy grail" indeed. This could cut up to a third of the time off a collection quest. Even with a 5 box setup, looting is still not optimal. Something like this (in combination with quest helper) would be perfect.
04-22-2008, 05:00 PM
Tehtsuo

Do you mind if I ask how you came across this? I'm too lazy to check Wowwiki, but it would be best for something like this to have documented credibility. Further questions:

* I noticed you bound left click - "bind F6 CAMERAORSELECTORMOVE" What do you use left click via keypress for?
* Is first person view the best practice for this? I assume it works because your character is inside the corpse so a click on the corpse is likely.
* How about top down view? That might be better practice for players with different heights.
* In order for this to work, do you have to place the mouse cursor in a specific location on the screen, or is the mouse click automatically generated in the center of the screen or something?

ps - Are you on a fax modem or something? :D
04-22-2008, 05:11 PM
MaiN
I just tried with more than two characters - and succeed. It's ALOT harder tho, but i'm sure you could get the hang of it aswell.
I think the problem is that they can stand on each other, because it seems like the click just at the buttom off the screen.

Quote:

Originally Posted by 'Tehtsuo',index.php?page=Thread&postID=55773#post5 5773

Do you mind if I ask how you came across this? I'm too lazy to check Wowwiki, but it would be best for something like this to have documented credibility. Further questions:

* I noticed you bound left click - "bind F6 CAMERAORSELECTORMOVE" What do you use left click via keypress for?
* Is first person view the best practice for this? I assume it works because your character is inside the corpse so a click on the corpse is likely.
* How about top down view? That might be better practice for players with different heights.
* In order for this to work, do you have to place the mouse cursor in a specific location on the screen, or is the mouse click automatically generated in the center of the screen or something?

ps - Are you on a fax modem or something? :D
1. I searched for "Loot Macro" on Google and took second one, then i experimented and found this working.
2. Yeah, F6 and F7 was available, so i just bound it, could be i would have to use that sometime etc. etc.
3. Yes, first person is ABSOLOUTELY best view for this, as there are ALOT higher chance that you will hit the corpse.
4. That will be very hard.
5. I didn't have to place in anywhere, right corner worked just aswell as left corner.
No, i'm not on a modem. xD
04-22-2008, 05:23 PM
Tehtsuo

Found this on the forums, including info from a valued poster:

http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/th...16923147&sid=1

It looks like it does click where the mouse is currently located, which can be a tough cookie, especially when you use maximizer and a mouse clone app like Synergy. I wonder if this could be used in conjunction with autohotkey to place the cursor in the center of the screen on keypress.... although again we start to wade through murky waters with regards to legitimacy.
04-22-2008, 05:28 PM
MaiN

19/20 times the cursor click the correct place. So you don't have to worry about it, really.
04-22-2008, 05:31 PM
Tehtsuo

I'll have to test it, but honestly if you can get it to 20/20 it'd be worth the effort imo.
04-22-2008, 05:32 PM
Khazrael

Quote:

Originally Posted by 'Tehtsuo',index.php?page=Thread&postID=55787#post5 5787

Found this on the forums, including info from a valued poster:

http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/th...16923147&sid=1

It looks like it does click where the mouse is currently located, which can be a tough cookie, especially when you use maximizer and a mouse clone app like Synergy. I wonder if this could be used in conjunction with autohotkey to place the cursor in the center of the screen on keypress.... although again we start to wade through murky waters with regards to legitimacy.

It indeed does activate wherever your mouse is currently placed. What happens is when you mouse out of the client, it still registers the cursor in its last known location, which is why you have to zoom in to get the best effect. I notice frequently that if i mouse over my slave clients quickly, often tooltips will be left open as though my mouse is over them, this is because thats where the client last registered my cursor and considers it to still be there, even though it is actually over in a completely different location.

I imagine if you used some kind of script to move your mouse that would easily be considered automation.
04-22-2008, 05:36 PM
Gurblash

Quote:

Originally Posted by 'MaiN',index.php?page=Thread&postID=55790#post5579 0

19/20 times the cursor click the correct place. So you don't have to worry about it, really.

That 1/20 would piss me the fuck off. To me I try to game to 100% efficency if at all possible. Currently the only way I know of to 100% efficently loot corpses is to manually mouseover each alt window. Like Teht said if you can figure out a way to work 100% of the time everytime all the time this would be epic... but that 1/20 1/100 would just be another annoyance that would drive me back to manually looting.
04-22-2008, 05:38 PM
Tehtsuo

Yeah, I think it might be good enough as is, though. In first person mode, the corpse should be taking up a pretty significant portion of the screen, especially along the bottom edge. Plus, I would wager that this binding would only affect objects in the world frame, not in the UI. Therefore you don't have to worry about leaving the mouse on UI elements.

Pending further testing, I consider this a quality find, thanks for the post!

Out of curiosity, would anyone with more experience than me be able to offer any insight into Autohotkey's mouse functionality? The command reference if found offers a way to move the mouse, but it doesn't seem to have a place to specify the window?

http://www.autohotkey.com/docs/commands/MouseMove.htm

I bet the solution would be to set AHK to send a mouse click to a specific coordinate for each window to set the mouse to that location in each client... Unfortunately that would mean the people who hide windows behind the main and use pip to swap them to the foreground would be out of luck.
04-22-2008, 05:44 PM
MaiN

No problem. I use this myself and find it great. ;)

Quote:

Originally Posted by 'Tehtsuo',index.php?page=Thread&postID=55796#post5 5796

Yeah, I think it might be good enough as is, though. In first person mode, the corpse should be taking up a pretty significant portion of the screen, especially along the bottom edge. Plus, I would wager that this binding would only affect objects in the world frame, not in the UI. Therefore you don't have to worry about leaving the mouse on UI elements.

Pending further testing, I consider this a quality find, thanks for the post!

Out of curiosity, would anyone with more experience than me be able to offer any insight into Autohotkey's mouse functionality? The command reference if found offers a way to move the mouse, but it doesn't seem to have a place to specify the window?

http://www.autohotkey.com/docs/commands/MouseMove.htm

I bet the solution would be to set AHK to send a mouse click to a specific coordinate for each window to set the mouse to that location in each client...

This isn't anything Blizzard's API can do, so I don't know if I would try this.
But then again, KeyClone isn't anything the API can do aswell.
04-22-2008, 05:57 PM
Ughmahedhurtz

Heh...easy alternative:

1) Install Octopus and get it working.
2) Turn on auto-looting in the WoW interface options.
3) Check the Octopus box for Broadcast "Clicks."
4) Park alts next to mob.
5) Right-click the mob on your main screen and observe main loots item.
6) Right-click again for each alt that needs the quest item(s) and observe alts loot in succession.
7) Right-click again and observe skinning alt skins/herbs/mines mob.

It just rocks, and once you get octopus running, enabling it is as simple as checking one box. ;)
04-23-2008, 10:11 AM
d0z3rr

Quote:

Originally Posted by 'Gurblash',index.php?page=Thread&postID=55795#post 55795

That 1/20 would piss me the fuck off.

LMAO, same here.
04-23-2008, 01:50 PM
zanthor

Save a camera location, zoomed in 100%, facing down. To do this set your camera where you want it and type:
SaveView(5)

Save a "normal" camera location, zoom where you normally want them looking...
SaveView(1)

Bind a key as he describes.

Setup a macro on another key as follows:
Macro PreparetoLoot!
/script SetView(5);SetView(5); -- Assuming 5 is your saved for looting camera view.

Macro DoneLooting!
/script SetView(1);SetView(1); -- Assuming 1 is your saved non looting camera view.

Setup a key on your x-keys to press both the "Loot" button and the zoom-the-eff-in button... mash that 2 times and I bet it loots 100% if your toons standing on the mob.

Once done looting, reset your view. A mod could be written to detect when you've looted and reset your camera for you on the loot frame loading...
05-01-2008, 05:16 PM
wougoose

Sadly, this method doesn't work very well with more than 1 alt following you. With more than one following, they all will end up clicking on one of the party members instead of the corpse. I haven't been able to overcome it in my testing. Anyone else find an alternative to avoid clicking the alts?
05-02-2008, 11:16 AM
Mak

Quote:

Originally Posted by 'wougoose',index.php?page=Thread&postID=59125#post 59125

Sadly, this method doesn't work very well with more than 1 alt following you. With more than one following, they all will end up clicking on one of the party members instead of the corpse. I haven't been able to overcome it in my testing. Anyone else find an alternative to avoid clicking the alts?

Would a formation setup work? Maybe if you spread them out a bit so they weren't on top of each other they could loot. I haven't tried this myself but it looks awesome. I avoid collection quests because having to click on the tiny screens for my clones on my laptop is more time consuming than it's worth.
05-02-2008, 03:33 PM
wougoose

Quote:

Originally Posted by 'Mak',index.php?page=Thread&postID=59362#post59362

Quote:

Originally Posted by 'wougoose',index.php?page=Thread&postID=59125#post 59125

Sadly, this method doesn't work very well with more than 1 alt following you. With more than one following, they all will end up clicking on one of the party members instead of the corpse. I haven't been able to overcome it in my testing. Anyone else find an alternative to avoid clicking the alts?

Would a formation setup work? Maybe if you spread them out a bit so they weren't on top of each other they could loot. I haven't tried this myself but it looks awesome. I avoid collection quests because having to click on the tiny screens for my clones on my laptop is more time consuming than it's worth.

Yeah, I suppose if you have each toon follow each other in a line it would work. It just won't work if all of them follow the main and end up standing on top of one another. It doesn't look like it'd be worth it, but I'll give it some testing and report back :)
05-03-2008, 11:15 AM
Maxion

Quote:

Originally Posted by 'wougoose',index.php?page=Thread&postID=59482#post 59482

Quote:

Originally Posted by 'Mak',index.php?page=Thread&postID=59362#post59362

Quote:

Originally Posted by 'wougoose',index.php?page=Thread&postID=59125#post 59125

Sadly, this method doesn't work very well with more than 1 alt following you. With more than one following, they all will end up clicking on one of the party members instead of the corpse. I haven't been able to overcome it in my testing. Anyone else find an alternative to avoid clicking the alts?

Would a formation setup work? Maybe if you spread them out a bit so they weren't on top of each other they could loot. I haven't tried this myself but it looks awesome. I avoid collection quests because having to click on the tiny screens for my clones on my laptop is more time consuming than it's worth.

Yeah, I suppose if you have each toon follow each other in a line it would work. It just won't work if all of them follow the main and end up standing on top of one another. It doesn't look like it'd be worth it, but I'll give it some testing and report back :)

He means to hit a spread formation a little bit so that they aren't standing on top of each other but still on top of the corpse.
05-03-2008, 01:38 PM
Silly Gooooose

well I just got it working. I used

/script SetBinding("Q", "TURNORACTION") In game to set the binding. Much easier for me than going through all his steps, this is just 1 step. (oh and make sure your button isn't on the do not pass menu is keyclone, lol.)