Stress test findings so far

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06-20-2019, 01:13 AM
Lewsifur

Stress test findings so far

As shama

Not boxed as other account not live yet.
Expected bottleneck in horde start area. Literally took me about 30mins to tag a boar.

2 quests both bad for bottlenecking. Cant tag the named scorpion so large huddle around spawn.

Played for two hours. Got xp in the end from

grinding
disccovery,

As a l1 shammy I left the start area and went to the lvl 5 scorpians, at l2 could take in l6 scorps and boars. L6 boars dont coiunt for stsrting quest.

Ideally you could get boar kill quest with box set if ‘turrets’, or have a insta caster/hinter jn team to tag spawns.

some boxers jn game tacking flack already for just waiting for scorpian waiting for spawn.

I will probably take my team and explore/grind xp for the first few days for faster leveling, then return for desired quest paths etc.

Instances look best for full team boxes from what I can see. The quest xp in crowded zones is too low to merit the time required to tag.

Hopefully blizz can address this with increased spawn times or allow ‘tagging’ of mobs for bottleneck quests.

I know, I can hear it now, but its classic. Well at 1 boar per 30mins competing against new players constantly loading in with insta cast/shoot abilities you are reminded that not all things classic were a good thing.

Kinda makes you want to mske 5 locks :p
06-20-2019, 01:54 AM
nodoze

Little did the players know that this was all about testing their stress levels.
06-20-2019, 02:17 AM
Lewsifur

Lol, true.
06-20-2019, 12:19 PM
Christaphonz

I kept having crashes so couldn't do a Census+ scan but with a buddy we tested out some of our plans. (I was on the earlier Stress tests so had half baked ideas)

Phasing helped a lot. I logged into different zones and the Tauren stayed the emptiest. As my last Census showed. If you log in and just sit in that phase for about an hour or two. All the players level out of the starting zone but still fill the phase you are in. I found making a few different characters every 15 minutes let me choose what phase to be in.

I learned I cant meet in Bloodhoof Village at 8 but must do it at 3. The bottlenecks to the horde with Exploration and Fedex quests will help me escape the starting zone by only doing the Belt and head quest together on all my toons skipping the other bottle necked kill quests. Then quickly moving to bloodhoof village. I found even when Mulgore was very busy the wide open space let me kill mobs and Never go Idle. If It got busy afking for 20 minutes (seriously just go eat a pizza) left my layer full but players then moved out of my zone.

I was watching Swifty multibox took him about an hour and a half to set it up (sounds fine to me) but he couldn't find mobs to kill in the higher level zone. He made gnomes which are the second busiest zones on the Alliance side. He was level 4 in about 4 hours. That should convince anyone that Fedex and Exploration will be much faster on Alliance side then just killing higher level mobs. He could not find any mobs. More people after this test are realizing the Exploration Meme is not a joke.
06-20-2019, 01:58 PM
Matty

Quote:

Originally Posted by Christaphonz

He could not find any mobs. More people after this test are realizing the Exploration Meme is not a joke.

This 100%. After my experience yesterday, I totally plan on doing an exploration route to 4 or so. I started playing 2 hours after the stress test realms went live, I had to reactivate my other 4 accounts first and set up my isboxer which took me roughly 1.5-2 hours (I’m still fairly new to the program and still don’t know how to make the interact with target work on alt-z, ended up making ‘1’ my interact with target key in the meantime). I made 2 troll shamans with 3 troll warriors. Fighting over boars was no use, it took me a very long time to complete, I regret doing it and I probably won’t do it on launch unless I get lucky with my layer or they change the spawn rates or amount of people per layer. Sarkoth, cactus apples lazy peons, and thazrils pick we’re all quite easy though. I found going out of valley of trials level one to fight the level 5-6 was very ineffective however, they only yielded 1-2 more exp than a level 1 mob and took far longer to take down. Once I was out of the starting zone which I left at level 4 I found it much easier to level up. I went from 4-6 purely grinding mobs around durotar and it took me 20 mins per level and made 40s in that time just from censoring meat and gray items. I found 3 chests in that time period and got a silver bar, a few potions and a bunch of worthless junk (no greens). I saw a TON of herbs and mining nodes I wish I would have picked it up. Also early skinning and tailor for bags would be nice. All in all it was fun and can’t wait to do more testing when I get out of work in an hour.
06-20-2019, 03:52 PM
Runamuck

Ran a 5 team comp for stress test

NE
1 Warrior
3 Hunter
1 Druid

Starting zone was killer, after 2 went to kill level 5 and 6 mobs. At 3 was able to kill level 7 mobs.

Spawning seems wonky, either everything spawns or its empty. Seems there isnt a spawn timer on mobs based on when they die. Feels like they wait for all mobs to die to start the spawn timer. Hope this gets corrected.

Get level 2 and get out and go kill higher level mobs and grind till newbie area clears then go back and do quests.

Over all team is level 11 and was killing level 19 mobs. Wasn't running any addons was doing a lot manually and through macros. Good comp so far, battle res could be good not sure yet. Debating on whether or not to swap Priest for Druid.

isboxer
06-20-2019, 05:43 PM
MiRai

Quote:

Originally Posted by Matty

(I’m still fairly new to the program and still don’t know how to make the interact with target work on alt-z, ended up making ‘1’ my interact with target key in the meantime)

I'm just going to throw this out here - http://isboxer.com/wiki/WoW:Quick_St...tion_with_NPCs
06-20-2019, 06:35 PM
Longshot17

My experience so far (two-boxing) has been really really good. Completely fresh setup with IS-boxer, out of the box works so well with Classic (starting keymaps etc) and EMA-Classic which also works really well in Classic. Did 2 Human characters, 3 bottlenecks, 7 hours to get past them all but I did spend time fiddling with add-ons/isboxer setup/Stormwind.

-Classic atmosphere with people instantly grouping with you to do named boss mob quests is great
-I need more add-on! Only got Questie! and Luna(sorta) working
-haven't wrote a dps macro since MoP (thanks to GnomeSequencer) so still haven't fully grasped 'Classic's version of the macroing system.

Looking very optimistic for go-live, so much so I'm really re-considering going to 5-man (but maybe break it up for first 20 levels).
06-20-2019, 06:50 PM
MiRai

Quote:

Originally Posted by Longshot17

I need more add-on! Only got Questie! and Luna(sorta) working

https://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/cat160.html
https://willitclassic.com/

Quote:

Originally Posted by Longshot17

haven't wrote a dps macro since MoP (thanks to GnomeSequencer) so still haven't fully grasped 'Classic's version of the macroing system.

It's the exact same as Retail.

https://wow.gamepedia.com/Making_a_macro
06-20-2019, 07:34 PM
Ughmahedhurtz

Quote:

Originally Posted by Runamuck

Ran a 5 team comp for stress test

NE
1 Warrior
3 Hunter
1 Druid

Starting zone was killer, after 2 went to kill level 5 and 6 mobs. At 3 was able to kill level 7 mobs.

Spawning seems wonky, either everything spawns or its empty. Seems there isnt a spawn timer on mobs based on when they die. Feels like they wait for all mobs to die to start the spawn timer. Hope this gets corrected.

Get level 2 and get out and go kill higher level mobs and grind till newbie area clears then go back and do quests.

Over all team is level 11 and was killing level 19 mobs. Wasn't running any addons was doing a lot manually and through macros. Good comp so far, battle res could be good not sure yet. Debating on whether or not to swap Priest for Druid.

isboxer

I have a fairly similar experience with 5x Hunters in the Orc starting zone. I gave up after the boar quest and at level 2 just ran outside and was killing level 5-7 scorpids and boars. I went and ran up to Razor Hill and Org, then at ~level 5 I started doing some quests in Razor Hill. At level 6, I went back and finished up the Valley of Trials quests. If you go up top by the named scorpid, the regular scorpids and cactus apples will pop regularly. Took a while but got it done. The rest was cake after that. Everything died in about 2-3 auto-shot volleys plus maybe one raptor strike if it's a +5. I didn't even train any hunter skills until level 7.

I skipped the crab, tiger, and raptor collection quests in Sen'jin but did the rest (Zalazane, trolls, centaur maps) and then went to Razor hill. Did all of those I could and killed Fizzule (level 12) at level 8 with ease.

I went to bed at about 3:30AM CST at level 9.4ish and making very good progress once I got out of the starter valley.

No issues with ISBoxer so far, and most of my other addons (MonkeyQuest and Questie are highly recommended if you're going the quest route) have been working fine; I can post a list if anyone's interested.

I figure it's gonna be on like Donkey Kong once I get 5x pets as everything up to about +3 dies in Arcane Shot, auto shot, auto shot (basically two volleys). I'll probably push to 15 to see how it goes. I'm guessing tonight is the last night of it.
06-20-2019, 10:37 PM
nodoze

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ughmahedhurtz

... No issues with ISBoxer so far, and most of my other addons (MonkeyQuest and Questie are highly recommended if you're going the quest route) have been working fine; I can post a list if anyone's interested.

I figure it's gonna be on like Donkey Kong once I get 5x pets...

Even just 1 pet puts a single Hunter as the fastest leveler so yeah 5 Pets will really put things on Steroids for you.

Speaking of Pets I am planning on having 3 in my party and they are called Warriors :-) . In my 2 Paladin\3Warrior party I plan drive from one healer and may just be a "melee mob" with the 2 paladins meleeing also with seals/judgments to regen mana and health for the party. I plan to try to setup both Healer's UIs identically so that I am fully redundant and can switch to the 2nd Healer if the first one goes down. If I substitute a Druid for a Warrior that will give me a combat rez and I may move to a more traditional Tank+3DPS+Healer party instead of a non-traditional 3DPS+2Healer party.

I for one am definitely interested in a list of recommended add-ons including quest helpers and what not. I especially want the best healing add-on that works well with ISboxer that I can VFX in ISboxer to easily control the background Healer from the foreground Healer.
06-21-2019, 12:41 AM
Hksix

Just got to level 10 on my dual box in 3.5 hours (joanas / grinding with skipping the bottleneck quests). Yesterday my 5 box got to level 7 in 3.5 hours (mostly exploration/fedex quests). Looks like there won't be time for me to test out instances
06-21-2019, 03:05 AM
Grundel

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I especially want the best healing add-on that works well with ISboxer that I can VFX in ISboxer to easily control the background Healer from the foreground Healer.

Vuhdo will have a setup for classic I set up the current version with vfx with 2 bars that I can click heal from 2 dif healers on any of the 5 it works great.https://www.curseforge.com/wow/addons/vuhdo

eDIT i got it all set up in the demo and it works so good. even though i run from one toon 90% of the time i still have the option to heal from any toon with either healer its awesome
06-21-2019, 05:58 AM
Lewsifur

For the best healing, just use the pro heal system and ebony. You can sort ebony party by name, and then make as many vertical clickbars as you need

Even line em up side for class specific things. I had 5 with my druids, so ten abilites with left and right click with. I mods. Easy shifting and ni vfx required as you can heal from any class using just the class bar you create.
06-21-2019, 11:22 AM
MiRai

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lewsifur

For the best healing, just use the pro heal system and ebony. You can sort ebony party by name, and then make as many vertical clickbars as you need

For anyone else reading this, the full name of the add-on is Ebony's Multiboxing Assistant, or EMA, for short.
06-21-2019, 04:00 PM
Ughmahedhurtz

https://legacy-wow.com/classic-addons/

I use:

Code:

C:\games\WoW\_classic_\Interface\AddOns>ls !OmniCC MonkeyQuest Clique MonkeyQuestLog Coordinates OneBag3 EMA-Classic Postal ISBoxer QuestieDev-QuestieClassic MonkeyBuddy Sounds4Chat MonkeyLibrary _Corpse C:\games\WoW\_classic_\Interface\AddOns>

MonkeyQuest, Questie, and EMA are the most helpful by far. Of the ones I have installed (that are not throwing errors), OneBag3 doesn't seem to work, nor does _Corpse or !OmniCC. I think they did at one point but I haven't really needed them as those first three are the ones I use all the time.

[edit2] Progress update:

Made it to level 15 last night with about ~14 hours /played. I'll say that 5x hunters are golden for anything up to about +7 mobs one at a time and +4/+5 up to three at once. It's tougher without a healer/rezbot but doable. Thinking I may end up subbing in a healer just for those times when I can't control aggro as well. Shame I can't roll a paladin to go with my orcs.

As a second opinion on the questing vs dungeons thing, the bad news about questing is that you don't move as fast due to things like 50 scorpid tails, 20 zhevra hooves, 75 kolkar bracers, etc. takes a long time to gather. The good news is that when you're done, you'll have plenty of money for skills and even the occasional weapon purchase to stay competitive. And when you're done, you will still benefit from the rep gains through questing. I ran through most of RFC and really didn't have much trouble with 5x hunters even when I pulled a pack of three and got jumped by another pair. Had to spend more time feeding pets but worked really well. I'm fairly happy with their performance. Not great when things get into melee range but having the pets soak up all the damage means I don't have to spend money on repairs or mana, just arrows and pet food.
06-21-2019, 04:07 PM
MiRai

The "legacy" link posted above deals with add-ons for version 1.12, which do not work on Classic (1.13).
06-21-2019, 04:13 PM
Ughmahedhurtz

Quote:

Originally Posted by MiRai

The "legacy" link posted above deals with add-ons for version 1.12, which do not work on Classic (1.13).

Fair enough, though at the time I pulled these, none of the popular sites had any that resulted in a stable client in the beta. The above (with noted caveats) actually work in the classic stress test and beta.
06-21-2019, 06:27 PM
Moorea

things I learned:

- don't auto repair, it's way too costly - turn it off in ema-classic (can we change the default to be off ?)
- don't auto sell grey, many are upgrades, better than whites etc
- bag space is huge pain; got my tailor leveled to where she could make bags, that was better, but cloth was scarce too
- collection quests are terrible- I would love love love a curated list of quests to do
- fedex list works; is there one for horde side ?
- follow doesn't work in BG (can't follow that unit) even if you queue as group
06-21-2019, 08:07 PM
MiRai

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ughmahedhurtz

Fair enough, though at the time I pulled these, none of the popular sites had any that resulted in a stable client in the beta. The above (with noted caveats) actually work in the classic stress test and beta.

I'm assuming you meant to use the following link instead?

https://legacy-wow.com/classic-addons/

Your original link points to the Vanilla add-ons, and I doubt that there are any Vanilla 1.12.1 add-ons that work on the modern WoW API, which is why there is a massive movement to port everything over to Classic (even most BFA add-ons need to be slightly adjusted to work on Classic).

Quote:

Originally Posted by Moorea

things I learned:
- collection quests are terrible

Time is a flat circle, and history repeats itself.
06-22-2019, 07:25 PM
Ughmahedhurtz

Quote:

Originally Posted by MiRai

I'm assuming you meant to use the following link instead?

https://legacy-wow.com/classic-addons/

Your original link points to the Vanilla add-ons, and I doubt that there are any Vanilla 1.12.1 add-ons that work on the modern WoW API, which is why there is a massive movement to port everything over to Classic (even most BFA add-ons need to be slightly adjusted to work on Classic).

Yes. /facepalm. Link in other post fixed. Thanks for the spot.
06-23-2019, 03:55 AM
Peregrine

Quote:

Originally Posted by MiRai

For anyone else reading this, the full name of the add-on is Ebony's Multiboxing Assistant, or EMA, for short.

This is replacement to Jamba I presume? As in, it has similiar features that of an Jamba?
06-23-2019, 03:56 AM
Lewsifur

Yes, from memory EMA ranched from jamba?
06-23-2019, 05:40 AM
ebony

legacy addons would not work as that is a old API/LUA for retell classic

Yes EMA-Ebony's Multiboxing Assistant is the new jmaba

there is a post ;)
06-27-2019, 01:44 AM
stubbadub3000

I'm still tossing up whether to level one toon to begin with or do my normal three boxing.
One thing I do know, is that leveling on the 27th of August will be an absolute shit show, a thousand times worse then the launch of any private server due to classic not having dynamic spawning.
06-27-2019, 02:00 AM
Lewsifur

Ill be running the team. You can leave starting area and take on higher mobs, and explore for discovery xp and get nodes.
06-27-2019, 04:48 AM
Ughmahedhurtz

Quote:

Originally Posted by stubbadub3000

I'm still tossing up whether to level one toon to begin with or do my normal three boxing.
One thing I do know, is that leveling on the 27th of August will be an absolute shit show, a thousand times worse then the launch of any private server due to classic not having dynamic spawning.

Counterpoint: do you really want dynamic spawns in a starter area with aggro mobs? (Think about it at a solo player rather than a boxer.) Personally, as a 5-boxer I'd love it. Having made it to 30 on the beta server, I can see how many people would basically get murdered randomly because of spawn rates if that were in place. And the graveyard runs in classic are no joke.

I remember launch day for WoW, and I remember standing there with about 50 other people just spamming target+attack in case something popped. I also remember that situation not lasting so long that I gave up. ;)
06-27-2019, 09:50 AM
Apatheist

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ughmahedhurtz

Counterpoint: do you really want dynamic spawns in a starter area with aggro mobs? (Think about it at a solo player rather than a boxer.)

There are quite a few clips on YouTube of this kind of thing happening already due to the weird behavior of their "layering" tech. Running into a cleared camp only to get layered and finding yourself in the middle of 10 mobs.

Kind of funny to watch on a video but not so amusing when it happens to you, I guess.