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Hey, I would like to open discussion on the best way to level as a multi-boxing, particularly during the swarm that will be the first few weeks of launch.
I would like to get my first 3-box team up quickly to get my main into raiding asap.
I think that grinding might be the most efficient way to level, especially in an out of the way place (if that even exists).
What are people's thoughts on this? Can anyone recommend a good grinding guide?
During the launch craze I think our best bet as 5-boxers are instances. As 2-boxer, one might be able to just follow a questing guide. As 3-4 boxer I'm not sure - with the current respawn timers I would be surprised if you could consistently grind your way up, unless you are either a good bit ahead of the crowd or starting a couple of weeks after.
Personally I'll be playing very early in the morning (probably around 3-4 AM) until I'm high enough level to do RFC, then instances and dungeon quests until 60 - I'll be 5-boxing though.
Will you multibox a mixed class team with Tank | 3 DPS | Heal ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Fuzzyboy
Cause i had kinda the same plan but with a single class 5man team. Just not quite sure if i will be able to farm dungeons reliably.
Depending on how it will go at launch for the first few lvl's i'm not sure what i will do. The starting zones will be overrun i guess, regardless which race. But i think i will do all the kill quests available and apart from that stick to grinding.
Depends what classes you're 3boxing. With something like druid, warrior, priest you could probably manage to 3man most leveling dungeons. If your main is a caster you might have a rough time since the caster will go OOM often as the only DPS and casters just lack DPS in general compared to warriors with cleave and whirlwind. Grinding non elite world mobs won't be very good XP with 3 characters. Questing might be your best bet.Quote:
Originally Posted by stubbadub3000
Some classes could probably manage dungeons as a single class team. Shamans, paladins and druids seem like the obvious choices. Anything fairly tanky that can heal would work.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lyrel90
I don't see any advantage to boxing a single class team in vanilla though. You miss out on a bunch of buffs and utility for no real gain. You also end up with one class leveled which limits your raiding options. A balanced group with a healer or two plus some ranged DPS increases your chances of being a viable addition to any 40man.
Definitly true. But tbh i would have just made this team for fun anyway. Something like 5 warlocks. 10 dot's on an enemy with 2 globals sounded like a fun thing to do.Quote:
Originally Posted by Apatheist
But maybe i will level a mixed setup first and switch to a single class setup later for fun stuff. Maybe some WPvP or something.
Would have to look into it more tho. not that experienced yet with multiboxing. I started in Legion and tried different things. I ended up doing mostly single class setups for farming and stuff like that.
If you like that style of play then one priest, 4 warlocks is actually a solid group for both PvP and PvE.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lyrel90
Managing a priest with your 4 warlocks takes only a little more effort and the addition of a healer makes your team significantly stronger.
The only issue they've removed the focus frame from classic. I've always relied on focus for managing pet targets and we're not sure yet if there will be a way to create similar functionality via addons.
So there might be value in activating extra accounts to 5 box the first team up through dungeons? Interesting.
A friend of mine who is a vanilla 'veteran' told me I was crazy trying to box release, and I should just level my raid toon (mage) to begin with.
I too just single class box now. But watching beta gameplay of classic, the gameplay seems a lot slower then modern wow and managing multiple classes could be easier because of this.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lyrel90
Macros like /castsequence working in classic make multiple classes easy too and you just make one-button rotation macros
Kind of a moot point since most classes have one button rotations in classic anyway. Mage rotation is literally just spamming frostbolt. Warlock rotation is literally just spamming shadowbolt.Quote:
Originally Posted by stubbadub3000
Mage is probably the fastest leveling class in the game if you know how to AE grind efficiently. It's pretty hard to beat.Quote:
Originally Posted by stubbadub3000
Boxing will definitely slow down your leveling speed either way. Most of us that box regularly don't do it because it's faster, we just enjoy it.
Don't you typically try to work in a Corruption per target then include the Warlock's shadowbolt with the same button that activates Mage's frostbolt? I am new to this and have been toying with tank/healer/2 mage/1 warlockQuote:
Originally Posted by Apatheist
I am not sure if leveling the tank/healer on their own then doing the warlock/mages would be faster or not then just having them get together as a 5man at the first dungeon.
Nope. At 60 in a PvE environment you apply your assigned curse and then spam shadowbolt. That's it. You generally won't be allowed to apply any of your other DoT's due to the limited debuff slots.Quote:
Originally Posted by Syclone
Until you get a decent amount of spell/shadow damage gear it's actually not even worth casting shadowbolt. Your wand will usually be higher single target DPS.
Leveling two sets will definitely be slower than grinding dungeons as a 5man. Particularly as you get up into the 50's where you actually want to keep some of the gear you get because it's BiS for your preraid set. Far more efficient to farm this stuff as you level rather than grinding to 60, then going back to do Maraudon, BRD, etc.
Oh of course, I'm talking more of questing in the initial rush of players, when it is impossible to even get a mob kill let alone classic quest loot drop percentages.Quote:
Originally Posted by Apatheist
One thing I have only really recently considered is the effect of dual boxing on the social aspect of the game. On the stress test i grouped up with 3 different people as we quested, and that was just to level 5.
Social interaction is what a lot of people discuss with regards to classic, and I think that I will miss that if I am boxing right out of the gate.
The more I think about it, the more playing a single toon is feeling like the right way to go at launch
Yes - I'm not sure whether I'll end up going horde or alliance.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lyrel90
If horde: Warrior + Priest + Warlock + 2 x Mage
If alliance: Warrior + Paladin + Warlock + 2 x Mage
Paladin is only because they're good at powerlevelling and I tend to do a lot of teams :-)
If you don't want to deal with group mechanics at the start leveling one and then boosting to around 50 may work nearly as well as leveling a team. You'll still need to finish your teams for about the last 10 levels, but you'll also avoid 40 levels or so of it. It might even be faster overall.Quote:
Originally Posted by stubbadub3000
Making up some numbers... If you can level a single character in 5-7 days (under 5 is doable, but with contention/etc) and a group in 10-12 (not sure on this, but seems about right, not quite twice as slow), then it becomes an interesting question of if you can boost + finish a group in 5 or less. I think the answer is yes and so that makes me wonder if single + boost rest might not be the fastest option. It likely depends on what the actual numbers turn out to be.
OOOOOOh I didn't even consider boosting through dungeons for the rest of my team. I could boost guildies at the same time for the sweet social pointsQuote:
Originally Posted by Sservis
I am considering making 3 or 4 man teams for that reason (so you can invite people in and help them; or join as dps in dungeons)Quote:
Originally Posted by stubbadub3000
But it won't be very efficient not being able to do dungeons alone
If you do something along the lines of tank druid, priest, mage it shouldn't take you long at all to find a couple DPS to fill the last 2 slots for any dungeon.Quote:
Originally Posted by Moorea
You could even be picky about which classes you bring so they don't compete for loot. There'll be a million hunters and warriors in classic.
The old vanilla guild of about 10 to 12 are coming back. DPS will be pretty easy to pull in from the group? Do you think Bear, Hpriest, Mage are the best 3 I could bring? I was thinking maybe Warrior/Pal/Warlock or Mage - Thoughts?Quote:
Originally Posted by Apatheist
Warrior, paladin and warlock would work fine but mages give you more reliable CC plus free water and portals that speed things up quite a bit. If I were mostly focused on PvE I'd definitely pick at least one mage. Mage AE is also simpler since you're just spamming arcane explosion and cone of cold most of the time.Quote:
Originally Posted by tchallaaoc
Then again, warlock would allow you to summon people to you if you're regularly pugging 2 DPS so there is that.
How does class specialization work in Vanilla? Can I flip from tank to healer easily?Quote:
Originally Posted by Apatheist
You have to pay to respec, and it increases every time you do it. So, no, it's not easy unless you can come up with lots of in-game money.Quote:
Originally Posted by tchallaaoc
[edit] That said, it is possible that Blizzard may change their minds on that one, though if you think about it from a money perspective, allowing people to pay for subscription tokens with gold on the AH would be profitable considering how hard it is to get for the average classic player. I would probably sell one or two just to get a leg up on mounts and such if dungeon spamming doesn't result in mana from heaven like a lot of people are claiming.
what do you mean?Quote:
Originally Posted by tchallaaoc
They won't do that for at least a year if they want classic to be successful and even after one year it'd cause a revoltQuote:
Originally Posted by Ughmahedhurtz
You can tank and heal in the same spec as either druid or paladin. All you have to do is swap gear. HoTW/NS is also the strongest PvP spec for a druid.Quote:
Originally Posted by tchallaaoc
Druid: https://classic.wowhead.com/talent-c...ATMkcz3BD6NCEA
Paladin: https://classic.wowhead.com/talent-c...Az3QwAQ_3yBxAA
I wouldn't recommend paladin tanking without a mage in the group though. You pretty much have to drink after every pull so having that water supply is essential. If you do have a paladin, healer & mage you can do some pretty huge pulls. Kite mobs around your consecration with the mages spamming frost nova, cone of cold and arcane explosion and you can pull a ton of mobs without taking all that much damage.
I've leveled a paladin, priest and 3 mage group. It's super fast grinding in PvE.
For many reasons I hope they don't revise respec costs/penalties... The biggest reason for me is that it lessens the value of the few specs who can regularly change roles like the below:Quote:
Originally Posted by Ughmahedhurtz
Hybrid classes already have several penalties and if everyone can switch specs easily it makes the 'Hybrid Tax' even more unfair.Quote:
Originally Posted by Apatheist
Sorry, I couldn't edit my last post, but I wanted to know what people think for dungeon farming using mmmmPal and the benefits compared to mmmmpriest? I am sorry if it's been covered a lot, but I wasn't able to figure out what the search term for paladin vs priest was.
Priest gives you fort, spirit buff, holy nova and shadow protection. While I haven't done mmmmpal, I think farming without those would be much slower.
perfect thanks for the clear response.
When you do MMMMP, do you "drive" with your priest or with a mage and the priest with a clique/vuhdo sort of thing? Trying to figure out how to change from MMMMM to MMMMP
I drive from the priest unless I need to switch to do collection quests. I use grid2 + clique for healing, with a dxNothing window on the mages that shows my priest's grid2 setup for click-healing. Could probably do it in a less cluttered way but it works for me for now.Quote:
Originally Posted by Swedishoyster
For LLLLP I drove from my Priest but when I added in a Tank I drove from my Tank and used VFX to heal from my priest's VuhDo bars in the background.Quote:
Originally Posted by Swedishoyster
I drive with a mage because they're easier to pull / group mobs with. You also loosely guarantee that they have first aggro so it makes it more predictable. Having a mage with 0/2 and 1/2 arcane subtlety also makes damage more predictable (0/2 mage has aggro the overwhelming majority of the time).Quote:
Originally Posted by Swedishoyster
I use a clickbar with vuhdo in the same position on each screen to heal.
I'd drive with whichever character you're most comfortable pulling with. Being consistent is more important than big youtube pulls. Dying wrecks your xp/hr.