World PvP and zone disruption

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08-25-2018, 04:19 PM
Noxdiebox

World PvP and zone disruption

Hi,

does anyone still do some open PvP and got warned or banned for it (zone disruption)?

Since middle legion it looks like that blizzard simply don't want multiboxers do any PvP anymore because some of our guild members got warnings or short suspensions for it (zone disruption).
Of course, I understand that you should not besiege important spots for hours, but these multiboxers were always only for a short time at certain spots and never blocked portals, quests or something like that.

Yesterday, for example, we went to Boralus to gank and went into an empty house, stayed there for about 1.5 hours. The next day everyone got a warning again for zone disruption. We did not even got the server lagging, because we did not have enough account for it.

I thought with bfa that will get better because of warmode and that everyone opted in wants to do PvP.

When I think back to wotlk, cata or mop when I was more active we or I never got that kind of thing. And back then we truly exaggerated. :p

Has anyone else made similar experiences with open PvP as a multiboxer since legion?

http://prntscr.com/kmuj7g

It is probably time for wow multiboxing in pvp to die in peace for ever.

greetings :D
08-25-2018, 05:13 PM
Ughmahedhurtz

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Originally Posted by Noxdiebox

zone disruption

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Originally Posted by Noxdiebox

stayed there for about 1.5 hours

Whoever spots the similarity in all of the recent complaints about warnings/bans/etc. in the last few weeks gets a cookie.
08-25-2018, 05:32 PM
Noxdiebox

Despite 1.5 hours, we did not bother or hindered anyone. How can that be zone disruption?
Everyone could have ignored us. The people who came to us wanted the bounty.
08-25-2018, 05:38 PM
Curryman

That's very interesting actually. One could argue it should be allowed because players are actively looking for the bounty. Maybe blizzard wants you to roam around more? Regardless it sounds silly. Assuming the house was not home to any NPCs of interest or quest objectives, it really should be fine to camp it.
08-25-2018, 06:46 PM
Fat Tire

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Originally Posted by Noxdiebox

Hi,

does anyone still do some open PvP and got warned or banned for it (zone disruption)?

Yesterday, for example, we went to Boralus to gank and went into an empty house, stayed there for about 1.5 hours.

Since middle legion it looks like that blizzard simply don't want multiboxers do any PvP anymore because some of our guild members got warnings or short suspensions for it (zone disruption).

http://prntscr.com/kmuj7g

Quote:

Originally Posted by Noxdiebox

Despite 1.5 hours, we did not bother or hindered anyone. How can that be zone disruption?
Everyone could have ignored us. The people who came to us wanted the bounty.

Seriously....
08-25-2018, 07:14 PM
Mosg2

Sigh. I wish they'd just say "You can't multibox in pvp" so it's 100% clear to every person instead of this convoluted approach.
08-25-2018, 07:55 PM
JohnGabriel

I haven't seen mentioned yet, which seems odd, but how many? I am picturing a roving gang of 40 DKs flying around and killing everything and anything in their path.

Which would look really awesome, but yeah zone disruption.
08-25-2018, 09:19 PM
Noxdiebox

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Originally Posted by JohnGabriel

I haven't seen mentioned yet, which seems odd, but how many?

20 - 30 Chars.
08-26-2018, 05:02 AM
isboxerscrub

lol

those oligophrenics that were "griefed" were literally looking for pvp and they got it

afterwards, they (unfortunately having just enough braincells to use the CS feature) opened up their "customer support" to complain to blizzard

disgusting

just mere thoughts of looking at that gm message, reading and thinking it through literally sends me into e-rage ...ugh blizzard trying to cater to the lowest denominator..smh
08-27-2018, 03:27 AM
Wubsie

This is the issue with open ended rules with no clear definitions or guide lines. Anything can be intrepreted as zone disruption or harassment and if enough people complain, justly or not, action can some time be taken.

There is no consistency to it and it's down to luck as to which GM happens to look at the situation.

Think I'll be mainly doing PVE since even with Warmode where you specifically need to opt-in for all aspects of WPVP, it seems people's feelings matter more than consistent application of rules. I'd bet good money on the same thing being done by one of the massive WPVP guilds not being treated the same.
08-27-2018, 05:37 AM
fpsware

In the past I have not been a PVP'er but since BfA (War Mode) I have done nothing but play open world PVP. The majority of my last week has been a heavy focus on world PVP. The weekend past I did nothing but harass the opposite faction - in a big way I might add. So far no warning or suspension.
08-27-2018, 03:04 PM
Kruschpakx4

so despite the warmode system, which should actually be fine with ganking questhubs for years because ppl who feel harassed can simply turn it off, multiboxers are not getting warned for sitting in the middle of nowhere killing people that run purposely into them? how can someone even try to defend blizzard in this case, thats just retarded.

Im glad i saved those 200 euros for now
08-27-2018, 04:50 PM
Ughmahedhurtz

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Originally Posted by Wubsie

it seems people's feelings matter more than consistent application of rules.

Since they wrote the rules, and they're trying to satisfy the largest number of people, and we're a "vanishingly rare" portion of the playerbase, can you blame them?
08-28-2018, 01:14 AM
MadMilitia

I see their point with wPvP and mass multiboxing. It's a numbers race. wPvP always seems to go this route and it ends with someone like Prepared blowing thousands to win and inevitably crash the server.

Instead of going this route what they should do is phase out people in raid groups from participating in wPvP. Sorry but yeah the entire design is prone to failure whenever you get one side to the point of forming a raid to wipe out the other side.

This comes back to a point I made about concurrency not too long ago. 10 + man raid? Phase them out. Regardless of boxing. Make it so they only see other raid parties.
08-28-2018, 02:18 AM
Wubsie

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Originally Posted by Ughmahedhurtz

Since they wrote the rules, and they're trying to satisfy the largest number of people, and we're a "vanishingly rare" portion of the playerbase, can you blame them?

As far as being clear about what is and is not OK and appying that standard consistently, yes, I absolutely can.

I'm not saying they should not police conduct ingame. I am saying I simply wish there were actual guidelines regarding it beyond vague policies that are far too open to interpretretation.
08-28-2018, 10:52 AM
Ughmahedhurtz

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Originally Posted by Wubsie

As far as being clear about what is and is not OK and appying that standard consistently, yes, I absolutely can.

I'm not saying they should not police conduct ingame. I am saying I simply wish there were actual guidelines regarding it beyond vague policies that are far too open to interpretretation.

I can't disagree. I'm still happier with Blizzard customer support than Amazon at this point. :P
08-28-2018, 03:01 PM
Noxdiebox

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Originally Posted by MadMilitia

Instead of going this route what they should do is phase out people in raid groups from participating in wPvP. Sorry but yeah the entire design is prone to failure whenever you get one side to the point of forming a raid to wipe out the other side.

This comes back to a point I made about concurrency not too long ago. 10 + man raid? Phase them out. Regardless of boxing. Make it so they only see other raid parties.

Great, the alliance is forming a raid to have a fight with the horde. Now the alliance raid is in an empty phase.
08-28-2018, 08:23 PM
Ughmahedhurtz

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Originally Posted by Noxdiebox

Great, the alliance is forming a raid to have a fight with the horde. Now the alliance raid is in an empty phase.

Heh...wPVP matchmaking system? :p
08-30-2018, 07:52 AM
MadMilitia

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Originally Posted by Noxdiebox

Great, the alliance is forming a raid to have a fight with the horde. Now the alliance raid is in an empty phase.

You've just described the biggest problem with wPvP. The answer is always get more people. It's foolish to think people won't say, form a raid group to camp a spawn point for the opposite faction for hours on end.

No bad comes from having them in a phase with only other raiding parties. That takes many advantages of forming a raid party out of the equation entirely. The goto size will then fall to party play which is a helluva lot easier to deal with when you are Joe Casual spawning into the world.
09-13-2018, 04:29 AM
EaTCarbS

moving groups to their own phase seems counter-intuitive to the concept of the game being an MMO in the first place.
09-18-2018, 04:26 AM
valkry

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Originally Posted by EaTCarbS

moving groups to their own phase seems counter-intuitive to the concept of the game being an MMO in the first place.

Have to say I agree with this, imo let things stand as they are.
09-18-2018, 05:04 PM
Ughmahedhurtz

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Originally Posted by valkry

Have to say I agree with this, imo let things stand as they are.

As a member of the Veterans of Tarren Mill Historical Society, I'd love to see WPVP go back to the way it was when skeletons would pile up so much that bone-lag was a thing.
09-21-2018, 12:37 AM
valkry

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Originally Posted by Ughmahedhurtz

As a member of the Veterans of Tarren Mill Historical Society, I'd love to see WPVP go back to the way it was when skeletons would pile up so much that bone-lag was a thing.

Yup, those days were glorious!!
03-06-2019, 04:15 PM
Moorea

So you had 30 toons in a house killing everyone coming in for 1.5 hour and you're surprised you got a warning ?