World of Warcraft Classic Discussion Megathread

Rather than have a few random threads about the upcoming retail Classic servers for WoW strewn across the forum, I'd rather create a megathread, for now, so that all discussion can be kept in one place in hopes of cutting down questions that are, or will be, asked repeatedly in the coming months.

Here's what we know, so far:

_When are Classic servers going to be released?
It was revealed at BlizzCon 2018 that Classic WoW will be released in the summer of 2019. Some have even gone on to speculate that it will be precisely July 16th, 2019, based upon what may have been a hint during the "Restoring History" panel during BlizzCon.

_Will multiboxing be allowed on Classic servers?
We don't know, but based on the demo, it currently works.

_If multiboxing is allowed, do you think they'll allow follow to work in battlegrounds?
We don't know, but that is highly unlikely. In addition, it is assumed that, since they are using the same client, /follow may be disabled when engaged in PvP combat, as it is today in Battle for Azeroth.


Additional Information:

Dev Watercooler: World of Warcraft Classic
Dev Watercooler: Inside the World of Warcraft Classic BlizzCon Demo
Restoring History: Creating WoW Classic Panel Recap (Blog) | (Video)
BlizzCon 2018 - WoW Classic Interview with Brian Birmingham and John Hight (WoWHead) | Esfand Video
Updated Content Release Schedule (Model Comparison)

Well, that about wraps that up! Feel free to discuss whatever else you'd like about the upcoming retail version of Classic WoW (theorycrafting, class composition, professions, or whatever else), but any links or references to private servers will be removed.

Was thinking of what class would be good to stack in a raid, at least for molten core mages would be decent I reckon.Depends on how classic they go though, like the debuff limit on mobs for example. Molten core is very boxable, as the mechanics are basically spread, dispel or run out with debuff.

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Was thinking of what class would be good to stack in a raid, at least for molten core mages would be decent I reckon.Depends on how classic they go though, like the debuff limit on mobs for example. Molten core is very boxable, as the mechanics are basically spread, dispel or run out with debuff.

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They have already stated that they're basing their Classic servers around patch 1.12, which shouldn't have the debuff limit. However, that might trivialize those fights, and so it might be changed... who knows. It'd be unfortunate to have those raids downed in the first few weeks after they've been released, and I'm only giving it that long because people are going to need some fire resist gear.

Question: I want to box 2 paladins so i can both tank and heal instances and small raids. Does anyone have any creative thoughts on farming gold using two paladins in classic wow? something like BRD for mages, for example?

I really don't remember farming for gold much in classic. After you got your mount, there was a weekly cost because of consumables if you were raiding, but otherwise...

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Originally Posted by Mosg2

I really don't remember farming for gold much in classic. After you got your mount, there was a weekly cost because of consumables if you were raiding, but otherwise...

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I'm sure some of the rare weapons and armor BoEs will still be quite profitable in Classic. How much so I would guess depends on availability and scaling of heirlooms. LONG LIVE THE ARCANITE REAPER!

CLASSIC HYPE, PEOPLE!

https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-gb/ne...virtual-ticket

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HEamO49gmzw

Playable Classic demo with the purchase of this year's Virtual Ticket for BlizzCon 2019!

Hands on game client "CAN NOT WAIT"

If you don't wanna sit through the non-Classic ra-ra, skip to 2:07.

I am looking forward to this. I remember 2-boxing in vanilla.

https://www.reddit.com/r/classicwow/..._detail_leaks/


so this was leacked a few days "before" the gameplay Demo at Blizzcon

some really cool stuff there if its true but it seems very likely

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-Classic WoW is in a pre-alpha state, mostly all quests done. They started working on dungeons and battlegrouds.
-17 devs are working on the game, 2 former Nost-devs for assuring authenticity.
-They don't think there will be a long beta phase.
-Only changes: Improved textures and spell effects but still using the old models. Improved view distance and colorblind mode. Battle.net will have some restrictions on PVP servers.
-8 servers per region, 4 PVP, 2 PVE, 1 RP-PVP and 1 RP-PVE.
-No ingame shop at the start.
-Sub will be included in retail WoW or you pay less for Classic only.
-Launch about April/June 2019.

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Oh wow... that's exciting!

Thinking about :

1 shadowpriest +4 affli warlocks.

The priest debuffing for the locks.

Goal : Openworld Farming/PvP


What do you guys think would be fun to play?
Which comps would be great for openworld farming like tyrshand?
Which comps for dungeon farming?

Let me hear your crazy stuff :P


We're trying to keep all Classic discussion in one thread at this time until we have more information and a release date is closer, so the above post has been merged into this thread.

-MiRai

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Originally Posted by Dreadone

Thinking about :

1 shadowpriest +4 affli warlocks.

The priest debuffing for the locks.

Goal : Openworld Farming/PvP


What do you guys think would be fun to play?
Which comps would be great for openworld farming like tyrshand?
Which comps for dungeon farming?

Let me hear your crazy stuff :P

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I have been struggling with ideas since the announcement.

World PVP vs Dungeon farming for PVP vs Fun.

4 shammys and priest
warrior, 3 shammys, priest
5 druids. bear, 3 dps, 1 restro. Stealth, world pvp, messing with Alliance in their towns.

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Originally Posted by Acidburning

I have been struggling with ideas since the announcement.

World PVP vs Dungeon farming for PVP vs Fun.

4 shammys and priest
warrior, 3 shammys, priest
5 druids. bear, 3 dps, 1 restro. Stealth, world pvp, messing with Alliance in their towns.

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4 twohand windfury schammys could be funny :P


Perhaps sticking a paladin wouldnt be a bad idea too.they level like horsehit solo but got some usefull buffs/auras later on.
And they are the better 5man tanks because of the aggro generation (if i want to go that route later).

3 Warlocks
- 3 tankpets for pve (elite mobs)
- 3 curses on each enemy (dot/50%castime slow/movementspeed reduce etc)

1 Shadow
- debuffing shadow damage for warlocks
- silence
- 10% stam buff

1 Paladin
- heals
- buffs
- auras

the question is : Does the shadow push the 3 warlock damage enough or should i better get a 4th warlock instead. anyone got an idea?

From what I recall the magic number was minimum 4 warlocks for a spriest to be worth including to buff shadow for them.

I'm thinking (assuming /follow is in, which it should be since it IS classic):

Spriest+4afflocks - dots everywhere in PVP, lifetap for mana, VE for health replenishment. Spriest mana is an issue. Dungeons would be hard.
5 shaman - mobile artillery in PVP. No reliable cc. No dungeons.
4 shaman+boomkin - mobile artillery in PVP. Respec your boomkin and 1 shaman for dungeons and you're fine for 5's.
priest+4mages - big single target and big aoe in PVP. Gimmicky but doable 5mans (lots of cc) for dungeons (Xzin did it anyway).
or a rogue/druid combo If I don't want to 5 box - leave the druid in the bushes to heal/dps if your rogue gets in trouble. double stealth everywhere for open world pvp goodness.

IMO It's hard to argue with the aoe firepower of priest+4mages for BG's, especially with mouse sharing being a thing now where it wasn't in original classic (5 blizzards dropped on their bunched up team in AV anyone?). The shaman are a little more durable, but I'd bring the druid instead of a fifth shaman to give me some flexibility for dungeons. I don't love shaman when melee gets on top of you though versus aoe fear or frost nova/blink of priest+mages or the auto tracking drain spells of locks/spriest. The healing of the spriest/lock group is the weakest, but they are also all pretty beefy HP wise compared to mages. And dotting the hell out of everyone in BG's is pretty entertaining (and redundant...I did it with 5 Spriests in BC).

Still a lot to think about and a long time to think as well. I do expect /follow to work in Classic even if it's only a FU from Blizzard saying "No no no, you told us you wanted CLASSIC. Well here it is, just like it was in 1.12! Suck it up and learn to deal with multiboxers!".

I'd been operating on the guarded assumption that they would make the content, talents, spells, gear, mounts, and scaling work like it did in Classic, but all the other game rules/limits would be kept up to date with the current specs, e.g. no /follow in PVP, enchants on gear have minimum iLevel requirements (no crazy twinking), boss tethering, no stacking Reckoning, CC diminishing returns, etc.

If they don't make it like real Classic what's to stop everyone from going back to private servers where Blizz makes no money from this venture? You lose the hardcore "no changers" because you made QOL changes and that's not 1.12, and the "changers" will never stop screaming for the next QOL change they think is a requirement to existence. No one ends up happy if they make changes.

blizzard already come out and said they using the "new" client with the current anti bot cheats system in place (that why follow was removed from bgs)

so no.... there will not be follow there.

As for you well it was in classic there was less boxers in real classic, as well as your p server comment most of them ban out boxing anyway and what there amiming off was nostalrius that banned us anyway. as well from my understand there is devs from there so there not going to be happy happy that we be on retell..

as there will be pvp realms then all we can do is hope it works in wpvp.


PS: there was not IWT in classic i feel it be something we will have though as there using a newer client

I don't think them including their anti-cheat system and new client automatically means /follow is out, but it's a valid point that those things were all connected. Removing /follow was their reaction to the botting in BG's, but if they have better detection for that they may not feel it to be necessary. I sincerely hope they leave it in to at least see how things play out at the start.

To my knowledge the private servers banned multiboxing due to the load it caused and since it was free to play people could escalate numbers infinitely. On top of that there is a vocal group that screams about the evils of getting massacred by multiboxers, so another reason for a free server to not allow it (can scare people off from playing there). Blizzard at least makes money off of us and the population on their servers should be MUCH larger which means we aren't as visibly impacting as we would be on a private server..

Even if they allow /follow at the start they could come back and remove it just like they did before, but until then I'll feel free to speculate on teams. I did multibox in classic (and DAoC before that), so for me this is more of an exercise in remembering WTF I did back then (that, and classic, TBC, and WOTLK all tend to run together in my memory). :)

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To my knowledge the private servers banned multiboxing due to the load it caused and since it was free to play people could escalate numbers infinitely. On top of that there is a vocal group that screams about the evils of getting massacred by multiboxers, so another reason for a free server to not allow it (can scare people off from playing there). Blizzard at least makes money off of us and the population on their servers should be MUCH larger which means we aren't as visibly impacting as we would be on a private server..

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Eh, not to be combative, but I think the "boxers + whiners = less players" is a specious argument. Lots of reasons why but if we're going to debate that, it ought to be in a separate thread.

Population concerns due to boxing are only for small pop private servers IMO. I don't think it'll matter in retail classic. Anyway, we're all dropping opinion bombs anyway, so back to our regularly schedule classic hype!

I for one hope for some old macro functionality to be restored.

For me IWT, yes or no? Will be the determining factor as to if I box in Vanilla or not.
I built my own private servers (for my own personal use only) for sh@ts n' giggles an quickly dropped Vanilla and BC because there was no IWT

Back to planning. Nothing to do in bfa. Bored to death all day. This happens :

My first group is going to be something like this for farming dungeons and getting started in general.

1.Paladin tank (11/32/8)
https://classicdb.ch/?talent#sE0zZVhtIxzVoV0h

- Runs retribution aura (or other)
- Buffs sanctuary on himself
- Buffs kings to rest

2.Paladin heal (33/11/7)
https://classicdb.ch/?talent#sVxubgstxMuZVb

- Runs improved devotion aura
- Buffs kings to tank
- Buffs improved wisdom to rest
- Judges light/wisdom on boss/elite

I would like to run improved retribution aura for more
aoe damage but sacrificing kings for it seems not worth it.
Guess you cant have everything ;)

3. Mage
4. Mage
5. Mage

3x CC, int buff, food and portals. /nice

Yeah no idea with the mages talents. Spamming arcane explosion or blizzard.
Any suggestions? What does more damage? How would the talent tree look like?
On the paper i really like going 31 arcane but i never played a mage in classic before
so i cant say what would be more effective =)

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Back to planning. Nothing to do in bfa. Bored to death all day. This happens :

My first group is going to be something like this for farming dungeons and getting started in general.

1.Paladin tank (11/32/8)
https://classicdb.ch/?talent#sE0zZVhtIxzVoV0h

- Runs retribution aura (or other)
- Buffs sanctuary on himself
- Buffs kings to rest

2.Paladin heal (33/11/7)
https://classicdb.ch/?talent#sVxubgstxMuZVb

- Runs improved devotion aura
- Buffs kings to tank
- Buffs improved wisdom to rest
- Judges light/wisdom on boss/elite

I would like to run improved retribution aura for more
aoe damage but sacrificing kings for it seems not worth it.
Guess you cant have everything ;)

3. Mage
4. Mage
5. Mage

3x CC, int buff, food and portals. /nice

Yeah no idea with the mages talents. Spamming arcane explosion or blizzard.
Any suggestions? What does more damage? How would the talent tree look like?
On the paper i really like going 31 arcane but i never played a mage in classic before
so i cant say what would be more effective =)

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Frost til enough crit from BWL to go fire in AQ40.

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Frost til enough crit from BWL to go fire in AQ40.

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That group wont see a raid from the inside :) In terms of mages: If only equipped with dungeon blues for AOE. Frost or Arcane?
Arcane explosion or blizzard? What does the most damage preraid with suboptimal gear in the beginning.Fresh lvl60

I'm already thinking about a classic comp for leveling and farming in 5 men dungeon when classic release. I plan to do a war tank a holy priest 2 mages and a warlock. What do you think and What team would you do ?

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Probably a 5 class team to get as many buffs as possible

Anyone is buying Virtual ticket?- as virtual ticket comes with Demo Classic.

I'm going to box 5 as well - I'm not sure yet what team, I know I love shamans and warlocks :)
also having a mix team can be nice with all the buffs.

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Anyone is buying Virtual ticket?- as virtual ticket comes with Demo Classic.

I'm going to box 5 as well - I'm not sure yet what team, I know I love shamans and warlocks :)
also having a mix team can be nice with all the buffs.

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I bought one but i'm not sure that i will be able to try multibox with it

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I bought one but i'm not sure that i will be able to try multibox with it

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i guess its going to be like the beta server. you get access with 1 account.

The demo is just 2 zones, so no BG's. I would think at this point it would be interesting to know if IWT is in the client, if the old macros work or it's the newer macro system, and if /follow breaks during world pvp. Obviously everything is subject to change, but those things will give us an idea of which direction they went with on the client. Anything else anyone can think of?

A Compilation of Life At 60 (various classes).
https://www.reddit.com/r/classicwow/...from_here_for/

I like this idea of 2 teams. 1 a dungeon farming team for gold, disenchants, etc. And another team for pure pvp fun.

I only 2 boxed in vanilla. It mostly involved my priest in-tow as pocket healer for farming and sitting in raids for extra gear.

for pvp, I am really thinking 5 shammys.

if IWT is implemented, what about 4 furry orc warriors with a orc restro shammy. Might not be radiable. But could this team power through lvl 60 5mans and pvp?

I am assuming respecs will be capped at 50g (how I remember vanilla). Trying to come up with a team that you don't need to respect back and forth for pve/pvp. I am trying to avoid a diverse comp team.

I really don't want to play alliance, but what about 5 pallys?

Shamies were OP in vanilla weren't they?

Shaman weren't OP at all in vanilla. I mean, you needed one for Bloodlust in raiding, but they weren't good healers or damage dealers, so unless they do a pass on balance (which seems unlikely to me) it'd be unwise to roll a group of'em.

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Shaman weren't OP at all in vanilla. I mean, you needed one for Bloodlust in raiding, but they weren't good healers or damage dealers, so unless they do a pass on balance (which seems unlikely to me) it'd be unwise to roll a group of'em.

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WWM2D?

what would MOSG2 do?