Optimal builds - recapping, checking to see what I've missed

Looking at this from a PvE perspective, with the goal of being able to bring them along on LFR/Normal/Heroic raiding content

5x Blood DK
It appears popular flavor right now, extremely amazing self heal. Unsure if this transfers into BfA with a lot of abilities being removed. May not transfer well on raiding content.

5x Hunter
Very bursty but fell off for higher mythics. Does well for raids since ranged dps. Lacks heals.

4x Hunter / 1x Resto Sham
Was my go to build and did amazingly well. The pets allow you to skip triggers on some boss fights, and was able to clear current raid content with Void using the same setup. End up stopping wow during that timeframe right when this was taking off and succeeding.
Never pushed the highest mythics but it should hypothetically be able to do what the Blood DK team did.
caveat, I want to try something "different" even though I know this works. They also appear to be at the bottom of the list for DPS currently.

5x Locks
Same as the hunters, but it looks like they may have been buffed some. Switching to 4x and a healer may work?

5x Paladins
Appears to have lost some flavor, similar to the DK's just can't push as high.

5x Druids
This is the team I'm eyeing and currently working on. It gives you Options! If you want to go the holy trinity route, you got it and you can choose ranged dps or melee dps. If you want to instead go on a raid you can do 4x boomkin with a resto healer and not be an issue for the team.
The problem I am running into though is both Feral and Boomkin dps require a bit of micromanagement if you want to get at 80%+ effectiveness on DPS.
I love to use the lazy macros, or takes pieces of it and work some magic using Isboxer to get it down to minimal keys for DPS uptime while focusing on the rest of the encounter, but this is what concerns me. Otherwise would be happy with this team.

5x Monks
I've tried it in the past briefly and just wasn't happy with the results - things may have changed. The WW monk does great dps on paper, the brewmaster is a great tank, and the mistweaver should be amazing at heals. It all hypothetically should work!! It just didn't when I tried it. Also less options for raiding.

I'm hoping BfA does away with the class halls, which will then make mixed teams not such an additional burden and really open up things.
I'd like Shamans to get back into the mix.

So ultimately out of all of this. I really want a Druid team to work and push Mythic 15+ but from watching the videos we have to compare to, I'm not sure that team can pull it off. It seems the damage soak is pretty high and dodging with an entire team in melee isn't realistic.
Hoping others can chime in and maybe see some potential in different sets.

Lasty what I am constantly struggling with is you can get a hunter macro to work with BM and it'll run almost full potential, so if they are parsing at 1.7 mil sustained, your going to get close to that.
I fear even if the Druids parse at 75%, we're looking at 1.3-1.4 mil maybe even worse and you have 3 DPS instead of 4 pure DPS. Not sure what I'm gaining except it being a true combo that won't fail if mechanics change such as pets being unable to tank.

To further that idea!! whats the easiest melee to parse highly with, as the Druid Tank + Druid Healer has been a strong staple for a while.

Thanks for reading, lots of stuff /questions in this.

Right now on bfa and looking kinda getting the feeling there doing with is burst is just going flat out. Solo tanking will be something of the past without a healer they can not last as long as legion.

From a few dungeons I done I have to say they defo got m+ in mind and look as fun as "cata" and the dam esports in mind!

Right now am thinking druids as well. With resto affinity becoming better (seems to be a support role for 3 man islands)
That you might get away with 4 boomkin and 1 bear..

The only other class that looks like it might be fun is the new demo lock.

Nice post though

I couldn't figure out why BM hunter always listed on the bottom of the charts. Their DPS to me is amazing, better than any other class I have boxed legion. Just easiest to box as you suggest I guess.

I also had good luck with 2xDruid (Guardian, Resto) and 3xHunters, though I'm thinking this round I might try Druid tank, paladin healer, 2x hunters, 1 Warlock. The lack of so much class specific content (I'm hoping) will allow a little more diversity, bringing in things like health stones, soulstones, lay on hands, divine blessings, etc.

I always loved the combination of a shadow priest and affliction warlocks. You could have tanking pets, ooc-rez, battle-rez and a decent healer when needed.

Additionally the combination of DOTs and Channeling spells of shadow priest and affl. warlocks matched perfectly for macros.

maybe it is worth a look for the next addon.

Not sure how far fpsware got but he was running locks in heroics and at least one mythic a while back.

https://www.dual-boxing.com/threads/...unning-heroics

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Originally Posted by Ughmahedhurtz

Not sure how far fpsware got but he was running locks in heroics and at least one mythic a while back.

https://www.dual-boxing.com/threads/...unning-heroics

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Back in the days I played a team of three. Therefore I wasn't raiding or running HC/M+.

I played a team of 1 shadow priest + 2 warlocks, sometimes 3 warlocks.

I enjoyed old RaidContent (Transmog) hunting RareSpawns, farming and exploring areas that were stuffed with elite enemies and not meant to be played in. Sometimes I joined some friends for instances.

I quit with WOD because of the Garrison phasing and didn't return in Legion because of the same problems within the OrderHalls although playing the WorldQuests and hunting down the RareSpawns would have been a lot of fun.

Which tank would be better and//or at BFA ? 5x blood DK 5x, tank DH or 5x pala prot ?

I ask that knowing that number could be change before BFA launch.

I don't know for sure, so hopefully someone else can chime in with a better answer on DK's, but their self heal is weaker now with all of the artifact abilities being ripped out, (all classes are weaker).
Prot could/should work fine.
Never played DH.

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Originally Posted by Ellay

I don't know for sure, so hopefully someone else can chime in with a better answer on DK's, but their self heal is weaker now with all of the artifact abilities being ripped out, (all classes are weaker).

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I can confirm mine are no longer basically unkillable. Still good, but notably less resistant to gratuitous AoE damage.

My prot pali team still has the crappy DPS and in addition most of the self heals are gone. They suck now, but its to be expected as we dont have the bfa gear/talents yet.

It looks like they might want us having a healer now. I am going to make sure I have enough level 110s for a few trinity teams and maybe something like 4 DPS 1 Heals.

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Originally Posted by Ughmahedhurtz

I can confirm mine are no longer basically unkillable. Still good, but notably less resistant to gratuitous AoE damage.

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Was having hard time doing +13 MoS after pre patch hit, gotta be more careful when it comes to taking damage, self healing is not like before :( Also change that makes you cannot swap gear during mythic+ runs hurts a lot, but when I went with a friend healer and played 4 dk's it was fine most of the time, so 4 dks 1 heal could be the way to go.

A pala heal with 4 dk can be ok. Maybe not the best heal for that but he can respec into prot if 5 tank is ok.
I'm thinking about get 3 dk into unholy or frost. But i'm not sure if it worth to try it.

I would imagine any team/class that sucks right now will not be by 8.1, so I wouldnt start a bunch of new teams based on current gameplay

Class Changes

• Class development is an ongoing process. There will be ongoing tuning and balancing for the next few weeks to keep things sane, then focus will shift to making all specs viable at Battle for Azeroth endgame.
• The team will also tune Azerite Powers to keep them competitive.
• Larger changes will happen in Patch 8.1 and beyond.

https://www.mmo-champion.com/content/?page=4

My push group: Prot Pal or DK with Priest and 3 hunter

Other Groups: 5prot pal and 5dk with monk and priest heals on stand by to do 4x1.

I have mixed caster and melee groups that I'm messing with.
Up and coming druid group as well.

My push group is doing 13+ after pre patch. Hoping to do a 15 this week only been back a month lol.

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My push group is doing 13+ after pre patch. Hoping to do a 15 this week only been back a month lol.

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That's amazing, whats your ilvl on your team? I have gone back to Druids over the Hunterx4/Sham combo as it's viable for PvP,
I'm at Ilvl 206-211 on them and have done a +5 and 3 chest it, I know I can do a lot more than that but managing a tank + ranged feels so clunky compared to an all melee or all ranged team, missing out on being able to /follow at a whim to get them back together is hurting.
Perhaps there is a tactic I'm missing in the process.

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Originally Posted by Ellay

That's amazing, whats your ilvl on your team? I have gone back to Druids over the Hunterx4/Sham combo as it's viable for PvP,
I'm at Ilvl 206-211 on them and have done a +5 and 3 chest it, I know I can do a lot more than that but managing a tank + ranged feels so clunky compared to an all melee or all ranged team, missing out on being able to /follow at a whim to get them back together is hurting.
Perhaps there is a tactic I'm missing in the process.

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About same ilvl as you listed

Sounds like I need to push it then before end of Legion (this week). Is there some dungeons you won't touch such as EoA? I always think about the hardest dungeon and go from there. I guess if it was a DHT, higher push wouldn't be too bad.

Follow up, I did my first ever quaking affix, which was a +7 Nelth's last night and holy cow was it just not fun. I missed my +3 chest by about a minute. The constant spreading through was exhausting. I feel like this affix was specifically designed against us :)

It did let me know that this team is pretty strong (Druids) and am putting all my eggs into this basket for BFA. I do have Sham/Hunter at 110 and Paladins, but I was disappointed in the paladins heals, super strong single target but aoe wasn't what I was hoping for.

What's your Druid team? 5 man, all Druids? Which specialization(s)? Looking for ideas on a second 5 man team.

I am trying to go with all different class teams in BfA. Accumulate the transmogs faster, what with personal loot and all.

I've been trying out driving with the healer, and its fun now that I can control the melee easier. I am thinking holy priest, warrior tank, boomkin, ele shaman, and monk or hunter.

About 6 more days to decide.

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Originally Posted by Ellay

Follow up, I did my first ever quaking affix, which was a +7 Nelth's last night and holy cow was it just not fun. I missed my +3 chest by about a minute. The constant spreading through was exhausting. I feel like this affix was specifically designed against us :)

It did let me know that this team is pretty strong (Druids) and am putting all my eggs into this basket for BFA. I do have Sham/Hunter at 110 and Paladins, but I was disappointed in the paladins heals, super strong single target but aoe wasn't what I was hoping for.

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Yea quaking is dog shit for multi-boxing...
I was able to do an 8+ with my groups this week, but it was way more effort than it was worth lol.

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Originally Posted by JohnGabriel

I am trying to go with all different class teams in BfA. Accumulate the transmogs faster, what with personal loot and all.

I've been trying out driving with the healer, and its fun now that I can control the melee easier. I am thinking holy priest, warrior tank, boomkin, ele shaman, and monk or hunter.

About 6 more days to decide.

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I've started trying to drive from the healer as well it's interesting... Been driving from the tank for all these years lol