Check it out....
http://www.wowinsider.com/2008/04/04...-weekend-with/
Xzin Edit: Link to podcast: http://www.vimeo.com/864164
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Check it out....
http://www.wowinsider.com/2008/04/04...-weekend-with/
Xzin Edit: Link to podcast: http://www.vimeo.com/864164
One of the tags is "cheaters." :rolleyes:
WoW Great Find!
Saturday at 3:30pm EST over at WoW Radio.
What time is that EST and where is the link to wow radio?!?
Xzin, shotgun on a shoutout :D
He's just another whiner...
im so lisening to that XD
I told you guys they were gonna do a Multiboxer episode soon, like last week :p Tomorrow's gonna be an interesting afternoon...I'm gonna have to make sure I remember somehow so I can bitch at them live instead of post-show.
And yeah, their comments last week were not particularly in favor of it, so Vyn if you can make plans to intercept them and maybe get a direct PM line via IRC or something that would be helpful so they don't go spouting uninformed stupidity all day and people get the wrong idea until a followup show if any
EST is GMT-5 so European Summer Time -7
22:30 I guess
21:30 in UK
http://wcradio.com/shows.php?selectShow=81Quote:
Originally Posted by 'Majestic_Clown',index.php?page=Thread&postID=4989 7#post49897
My alarm clock is set so I don't miss this one!
Xzin, be our hero - once again.
Good luck!
Also, could someone copy and paste the OP's article if they wouldn't mind please? I can't read it at work and feel a little in the dark as to why Xzin is involved :p
Good luck Xzin, although personally I wouldn't be caught dead on that show. He's made his point of view clear, and I assume you know that it's going to be a debate, but if it were me I'd say "Why should I argue with this guy, he's attacking my play style to get attention." He makes his intentions clear right in this line: "But I, Mike Schramm, personally have always been quite against the idea of multiboxing." He only has one thing in mind: making a name for himself. I got a distinct Michael Moore vibe from him. (My apologies for referencing politics, but even most of M.M.'s supporters will admit he has some level of personal gain in mind when creating his documentaries.)
Plus, am I the only one that laughed about the part about his coworker coming on the show two, who has "actually multiboxed two characters at a time." I bet he had two computers and just hit some buttons on his second keyboard to control, nowhere near the type of complexity as most people in this community deal with. I could be wrong, but still would be very surprised to hear this Adam Holisky guy say "Yeah, I use Keyclone."
All that being said, my proverbial rainbow after the thunderstorm is the fact that Xzin will be there, who I consider perfectly able to speak as my representative. Good luck Xzin!
[quote='Eteocles',index.php?page=Thread&postID=4992 3#post49923]Also, could someone copy and paste the OP's article if they wouldn't mind please? I can't read it at work and feel a little in the dark as to why Xzin is involved :p[/quote]WoW Insider Show: Special multiboxing edition this weekend with guest Xzin
Posted Apr 4th 2008 10:29AM by [url='http://www.wowinsider.com/bloggers/mike-schramm']Mike Schramm[/url]
Filed under: Analysis / Opinion, Podcasting, WoW Insider Business, WoW Insider Show
http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.wo...8custom%29.jpgMultiboxing -- we've mentioned it quite a few times here on WoW Insider, and it's always been a controversial subject. While the game is quite clearly not designed around players playing multiple characters at once, Blizzard has stated that they have no problem with it -- as long as people are paying for each account they use, and not using third-party programs to control their characters, Blizzard is fine with it.
But I, Mike Schramm, personally have always been quite against the idea of multiboxing. Lots of folks have used macros and programming to control multiple characters all the way up to level 70 and beyond, and some have even taken teams of characters into PvP areas to win battlegrounds and gain honor, or even win the arena seasons, and all the rewards that come with that victory. In my opinion, that's a horrible mockery of the way the game was designed -- this is a social game that is meant to be played with other players, and to pit one person with five computers against a real-life team of five people just isn't fair or interesting. Sure, you might be able to control the movements of five characters with skilled programming and control, but the other team has to coordinate five human minds all together, a much harder and more interesting act, in my personal opinion. I am firmly against multiboxing -- it's not the way this game is meant to be played at all, and while Blizzard may be content to make more money off of someone paying for many accounts, I'm not content to be stuck in a game with them.
Which is why, this Saturday on the WoW Insider Show over on WoW Radio (at 3:30pm EST), our guest will be Xzin, one of the most notorious (and popular) multiboxers the game has ever seen.
Yes, this Saturday, Xzin and I will go head-to-head on the podcast to talk about multiboxing, its legality (or lack thereof), and how and why it's used in the World of Warcraft. You couldn't find two people on further sides of this issue, so we'll be sure to have some interesting debate on the subject. Turpster will also be along as always (to act as moderator, if we need him), and WoW Insider's Adam Holisky will be on board as well. Adam tells me that he has actually multiboxed two characters at a time, so he'll have another voice in the argument also.
Whether you're for or against multiboxing (or whether this is the first you've heard of it), definitely be sure to tune in on Saturday at 3:30pm EST over at WoW Radio. We'll also be in the IRC channel, #wowradio at mmo.irc.com, and you can email the show at theshow@wowinsider.com if you have any questions you'd like to ask myself, Xzin, or any of us on the show about mulitboxing or anything else.
It's sure to be a spirited and interesting debate about one of the most controversial subjects in MMO gaming. Definitely tune in and check the show out this weekend.Tags: adam-holisky, cheaters, debate, multiboxing, multiple-characters, turpster, wow-insider-show, wow-radio, xzin
Jesus freaking christ so much bias and ignorant stupidity in that post I want to punch him lol...he goes with the classic "welp blizz makes extra money off it, that's the only reason they don't mind it"...goddamn stupid fucker UGGGGH lol; we're a minority compared to TEN FUCKING MILLION, what's banning a couple hundred accounts gonna do? That's probably a week's worth of coffee and donuts at the GM office in Texas at worst
How has multiboxing been debated and handled in the past with other MMORPG's and game companies? Would be good ammo to have in a debate I would think.
The debate is usually based around PvP, with very few people worrying about how it affects PvE. Some people do try to find angles for criticizing its use in PvE but these tend to be weak. The whole "this isn't how the game was intended to be played" bit is an example-- there are many ways in which players change the way the game is played, and as long as they aren't breaking any rules it's possible that the designer will incorporate those player-driven changes into the game. An example being the way enhancement shaman off-hand weapons are itemized. Shaman found that slow weapons were better for DPS, and Blizzard has added slow off-hand weapons to the game.
It goes the same for most other PvE-related arguments.
But if you notice most of the complaint threads on the WoW forums, they usually are started by someone who got ganked 5-on-1 by a multiboxer and they're very angry about it. Most of them are upset because they figure they just got griefed by a cheater or bot, while others understand what happened and are angry over the unfairness of one person having five characters at their disposal. But once you work past the anger, most of their issues are also pretty weak and require that they bend and twist facts and logic, sometimes a lot.
When this show airs I expect links people ! I won't be watching the live stream, but an achieve link will be fine ^^
Ohhh no's this should be interesting. Maybe we will see his set up now.
Aye, aye, captain!Quote:
Originally Posted by 'Eteocles',index.php?page=Thread&postID=49905#post 49905
Xzin - be sure to emphasize the pve component of multiboxing. It's very hard to argue that multiboxing a heroic and/or raid is an "unfair advantage" and/or "cheating" -- most people only complain about pvp because they end up on the wrong side of a 1v5 so it's easy for them to empathize with the "cheating" aspect. Throw in the complexity of pve encounters which are clearly character-capped and they shut right up.
EDIT: btw, I had to throw in the obligatory ZOMG WE GET TO HEAR THE ELUSIVE XZIN'S VOICE?!
I'd still say Vyndree getting interviewed would be better, or Ellay. Not saying Xzin will let us down just my two cents.
I got nothing against Xzin, but Vyndree is like our own Lobby group. I have no doubt she would own them in an argument... and as an added bonus, sound nicer than Xzin =)
Erm, I don't think I have quite teh PR oomph as Xzin or Ellay. Xzin's done a great job representing us thus far. My only concern is that I hope he's fiddled around with BC enough that he knows how to argue for the state of the game as it exists now, not as it existed pre-BC. :) I'm sure he'll do fine -- and I'm looking forward to getting to hear what he sounds like IRL since he's been so elusive with anything RL related (RL pics, setup pics, etc).Quote:
Originally Posted by 'PyrostasisTDK',index.php?page=Thread&postID=49976 #post49976
While I would also approve of Vyn and/or Suv being interview I do think Zin's quite capable of handling himself...and with how secretive Zin is about his real life it'll be quite interesting to hear him on netradio :p
Shit that's right...he hasn't played much of BC and we had a long-ass argu-discussion in IRC about how Outland bosses are/are not tougher than the pre-bc bosses...and everything he gave was simply listing abilities off bosskillers or something and saying "oh that's easy" lol
Zin is pretty well versed in theorycraft and has more time than most of us to read up on it. I'm gonna say he'll do just fine and bring enough information to the table. I imagine he's pretty well organized for this.
Anyone who tries to argue against multiboxing by applying it to specific expansions or content is not actually addressing the issue of multiboxing. If the radio discussion comes down to "but you don't know enough about tBC content, it changes things" or something similar, then you're in for a pointless discussion IMO.
I think the point is that pvp has been greatly emphasized in BC, specifically 2-5 man pvp.Quote:
Originally Posted by 'Tonuss',index.php?page=Thread&postID=49986#post49 986
Read:
Blizz: /target Warhammer
Blizz: /cower
Warhammer: KEK /flex
The traffic on this site may have a nice spike on Saturday if Xzin gets a dual-boxing.com plug in there.
Was thinking and became curious what others thought - do you think that the added attention is good / bad for boxing? I am on the fence seeing it as something that Blizz has done limited to address in the past (until Vyndree's recent forum campaigns), but may have to if enough of a stink is made. What I am worried it is the squeeky wheel that gets the grease (a common thing with nerfs/buffs to classes) - If enough people complain, do you think Blizz will react with stricter rules related to boxing? - like no keyclone? No X? (Which would take me from a quin-boxer to a dual-boxer pretty quick). Or, does the added attention help air "our" side enough to explain how we are not gold farmers, bots, etc... What do you think? (Be great if we could create user polls on the site).
Xzin handles himself very profressional, he'll be fine in the podcast :)
As for the attention the site gets, it's more about educating others. Once you view the forums here you quickly realize there is no cheating / botting going on, the more this type of information is solicited to others the more accepted dual-boxing becomes. We really aren't doing anything wrong :) it's just breaking that perception of wrong doing.
a nit pick... one that people get stuck on....Quote:
Originally Posted by 'Article Author',index.php?page=Thread&postID=49926#post499 26
but Blizzard is good with 3rd party programs .. so long as they do not AUTOMATE game play
edit: fixed quote origin.. sorry Tehtsuo :D
lol take my name off that quote :P I was posting the article for people here. If you want a quote from me, use the one I posted in defense of multiboxing on my battlegroup's forum:Quote:
Originally Posted by 'keyclone',index.php?page=Thread&postID=50026#post 50026
Quote:
In actuality, most 3rd party software is not against the TOS. Your operating system is considered 3rd party software, as are the drivers for your keyboard and mouse, yet they are perfectly acceptable to use in conjunction with World of Warcraft. Only third party software which automates the game is prohibited by the terms of service. Feel free to read this very informative post made by Velath, and answered by Belfaire.
http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/th...88579356&sid=1
I think the added traffic and attention will be good for this site and multiboxing, as it might get more people to try it out, and it may help to overcome the concerns that some people have. People who are dead set against it won't change their minds, but they are not the people that you want to reach-- you want to reach people who might enjoy multiboxing and people who want to be reassured that it isn't something evil.
Blizzard will only take action against it if they feel it has become a problem that is too big to ignore, and we're not even at the "it's a problem" stage. They admitted that they would not hesitate to drop their support for multiboxing if they felt they needed to, but that they really couldn't imagine having to do so. Keep in mind that for every Ellay, there are a dozen or more Tonusses, who can't PvP our way out of a paper bag with one, five, or twenty characters on at a time. Same from the PvE angle as well.
I don't think that there is any danger at all of Blizzard deciding not to allow multiboxing.
EXACTLY wat i thougt wen i read this post XDQuote:
Originally Posted by 'Vyndree',index.php?page=Thread&postID=49965#post4 9965
I picture a low, sensual Barry White.
I am going for Sheldon from 'Big Bang Theory'Quote:
Originally Posted by 'Poolboy',index.php?page=Thread&postID=50099#post5 0099
j/k Xzin - Give em hell tomorrow :thumbup:
The bastard's gonna try to use a voice changer =\
Xzin: Shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh :)
yeah totally going to use a voice modulator to protect the guilt....err innocent.
stick it to the man zin!
ohh and give me a shoutout pleeeeease
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Cheers!
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wow I jsut got baned from that server guess I will jsut have to go with out the Warcraft Raido's vent that is
got back on