Hello. just a question. my friend and i disagree in eiter this is leagal or not under blizzards TOS.
what do you guys think?
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Hello. just a question. my friend and i disagree in eiter this is leagal or not under blizzards TOS.
what do you guys think?
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Well, whichever one of you says that is illegal is clearly wrong as that's pretty much the way melee has been doing it since the introduction of the IWT key. Not everyone ties the IWT key to their combat rotations but most of the ones I've seen, do.
It was me who hinted him it may be illegal, I've done it after reading http://www.dual-boxing.com/threads/2...interact-Macro
Several quotes from it:
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Originally Posted by thinus
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Originally Posted by Ualaa
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Originally Posted by Ualaa
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Originally Posted by Maxion
Of course it seems a lot simpler and a lot easier to call IWT and game macro with one press, why would they not do it? The thread feels strongly as if that was illegal to call two actions with one press.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ualaa
Most people may be doing so for various reasons, it could be easier, it could be open to interpretation in TOS, as they're the ones initiating the action(s) after all, or perhaps Warden doesn't detect it.
In order to talk about this you need to define what an "action" is.
Is an action only an in-game spell or ability that that can be placed on your action bar, or is it anything that can be found in the game's list of key bindings?
Well, you can already fire off multiple spells (e.g. actions) with a single key press because not everything is on the global cooldown (e.g. trinkets and plenty of other class abilities), and you can do this with a macro.
So, is an action then only that which is allowed to be put into a macro?
What about movement? You can't macro movement, but as multiboxers we're allowed to broadcast any key on the keyboard. If we were only allowed to broadcast keystrokes which were tied to abilities/spells/macros on our action bars, then broadcasting movement keys wouldn't be allowed. So, now we're able to send keys which are found in the list of the game's key bindings, but cannot be put into a macro.
So, I can send 2, 3, and 4 with most any software used for multiboxing, but that means I can also send W, 2, and 3—which allows for my characters to move (while holding down the key) and also try to use an ability at the same time. But, what if "3" wasn't bound to a spell or ability on my action bar, and it was bound to Interact with Target instead? What happens now?
Do you see how this becomes confusing and a gigantic gray area?
Ultimately, what it comes down to is... If you're afraid of it being "illegal," then either separate it into two steps, and have the Mapped Key execute on "pressed or released," or separate your Interact with Target from your abilities altogether.
MiRai, thanks for that.
The actions we're talking about are primarily:
1. game macro on action bar
2. IWT keybind
He uses ISBoxer and I use HotKeyNet, assuming this scenario my script would look like that:
It reads: When Alt+LeftClick is pressed in main window, send two keys to slave account.Code:<Hotkey Alt LButton>
<If ActiveWinIs WoW>
<SendLabel RaF> // send to slave
<Key Ctrl F10> // macro on actionbar
<Key Ctrl Alt Shift F> // IWT keybind
I used it this way for first few hours of my dualboxing "career", then I spent few hours reading about it, bunch of that time on this very forum.
Here IWT is kind of macro'ed, Blizzard blocked IWT from being macro'ed internally in game, we are in agreement that it is a gray area, hope you're seeing why, we're sequencing something that Blizzard does not want sequenced.
Similarly we cannot use wait functions since those are not allowed in macros as they support task automation.
Yes, I'm not afraid, I am cautious, I've had my account for two years and I'm dualboxing RaF account, I would not risk my main account getting banned for some silly mistake, so yes, I am cautious, I have now changed the way I do it, I use Jamba-follow strobbing and all my DK's abilities are /cast [@focus] abilityname , this seems to work well, sometimes I just have to walk a bit farther so slaves are in range of my target, in rare event it's needed I press an individual IWT keybind.
I guess I can use KeyDown and KeyUp, I heard Blizzard implemented it in API so it appears OK, that anyway would be two events firing two actions, one by one.
Manual IWT will give you less of a headache at the end of the day anyway.
Less entertaining in pvp that way. :PQuote:
Originally Posted by luxlunae
Really though - IWT is keybindable - so are spell actions and movement keys...blizz has nothing against players physically mashing multiple buttons at the same time (spells and movement) - all isboxer does is mash the buttons at a software level - so we don't have to keep wrecking our keyboards - :P
If you're going to get all pedantic about TOS/EULA, and whether you are allowed to "sequence IWT", so setup something with multiple actions that are delivered to the game at the same time, in the hope that you might get the result you desire, I think you are barking up the wrong tree.
You should be more focusing your legal prowess on determining whether the use of something like ISBoxer or HotKeyNet is in fact a clear flouting of the rules. It is far easier to determine whether or not the they break the Third Party Software clause, than whether you are allowed to use them to tie multiple actions together by flooding the input buffer with data simulating rapidly pressed keystrokes as a result of you physically pressing only one button (or combination), and hoping that the game deals with it in a coherent and useful manner.
Back in reality, if Blizzard had an issue with the fact you can do the OP setup, then they would have already come down hard on multiboxers. They get enough grief from the non-believers for it to have been an easy route in order to determine that multiboxers were breaking the rules and thus banned.
Amen to that. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by mbox_bob
been doing this since cata and never had a problem. only some classes work with this though
Better safe than sorry, that's true, though does not really answer the legality issue. I greatly hoped such a long-time community would know for sure.Quote:
Originally Posted by luxlunae
I can't say I appreciate the way you put it together, but fair enough, I get what you're saying.Quote:
Originally Posted by mbox_bob
Thanks, this is helpful to some extent.Quote:
Originally Posted by ebony
No offence guys, I just believed you'd know which parts of ToS you're up against while multiboxing after so many years.
Could be that Blizzard in fact did not reveal anything too specific in it and I know some bits may be open to interpretation.
Thanks.
Well I hate it when you use legal word is not like your going to get the police and they take you to jail for it. The wrose this get is a ban. And ii been told by GM is onekey = action that is a spell.
To be fair on my melee groups send around 6 keys at same time but it only do one spell, and movement keys. Like I said been doing in since cata and not had a problem. And I been report a lot and played with devs/cm on beta/ptr using the same system.
Oh, the worst is the ban? I'm not sure about you but some people actually care about their accounts.Quote:
Originally Posted by ebony
Also one key = one spell, that's what I heard as well.
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If you followed the thread closely you'd know the issue is sequencing a spell with IWT together, one key = ITW+Spell.Quote:
Originally Posted by ebony
So were you sequencing IWT with spells like the thread says, or were you using just spells? You just contradicted yourself.
Anyone else here like fishing?
People who successfully run bots make very similar statements, but that doesn't mean that everyone should start botting.Quote:
Originally Posted by ebony
We've already established that you can get around this statement through the in-game macro system without any help from a third-party program, so it's an incredibly vague and generic statement to make. What they don't want you to do is bot your character. They want you present, in front of the computer, and making the decisions for what your characters do, in real time, through input via you physically pressing buttons or keys on your hardware—this is exactly what it comes down to.Quote:
Originally Posted by HellRider
If you insert a third-party program to begin making decisions for you—like auto-casting heals when characters are at a certain percentage of health, auto-interrupting spells that are being cast, or automatically selecting the most optimal rotation for you no matter what you're doing—then this is where you're crossing the line.
I said it earlier, and I'll say it again... If you don't want to combine the actions, then separate them into their own buttons, or break them up between key press and key release.
Well, I guess this will have to do. This is a proper example of a professional answer, thanks again MiRai and those of you who actually attempted to help.Quote:
Originally Posted by MiRai
Thank you all for you'r answers. :D