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Interesting complaint about multi-boxing again
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Interesting complaint about multi-boxing again
ha funny post, Well just QQ really because they not got money to do it or though the big mutiboxers (all three of them) i think its more of the phasing problem then the boxers as even you was solo 200 vs 200 is not not going to help boxer or no boxer.
anyway.
im going to say something here, so i can say "i told you so" later.
shit like this is why CCP changed their TOS. you know it, we all know it.
they WILL end multiboxing in wow. and you will have no one to blame but yourselves.
i know mirai runs this place and usually reads it. so please, think with your head and understand, you MUST limit the number of characters isboxer can run or you will lose the only game that is giving you money i dont care if the dude running 80, 100 or whatever wows is your life long e-friend, get rid of him, he will cost you your livelihood.
it WILL happen if you do nothing, i don't care how you guys try to lawyer your way around it, when tasked with it, Blizzard wont limit the number of logins to a sensible value, they will just limit logins entirely, or remove every feature wow has that makes it boxing friendly. exactly like CCP did.
and no, they don't care about eroding the legal precedent that gave them the memory region protection years ago, they just don't care anymore about it, they know that if they lobby hard enough they can get a lot more out of politicians, so we cant count on that either.
and we boxers MUST make the lives of this idiots a living nightmare, we have to camp them out of existence, they are shit and are ruining our fun. im from KJ and we have to deal with that prepared simpleton who keeps crashing the zone outside org... constantly.
been boxing for almost a decade now, using initially nothing but alt+tab. and I've see this pattern develop in three different games so far. as soon a retards start making 80+ alts and the boxing community doesn't call them out on the complete idiocy and lack of any skill on what they are doing the player base gets fed up, they bitch long enough and boxing is over.
i know there are other tools out there, but we have to at least show some good faith.
Well mirai does not run isboxer lax does. And most the 40+ boxers dont post here or care.
I can understand that argument that if one person is running so many accounts that it makes the game unplayable, to laggy etc..then limiting the amount of accounts. It does not mater if it only a small number of multiboxers do this, it makes us all look bad imo. I would 100% be cool with them limiting us to 10 accounts( for raids ).
Are you asserting that multiboxers don't report people for abusing game mechanics or violating EULA rules? /me is confused, but maybe I'm just a simpleton.
Stick with objective facts; that 'lack of skill' canard is old, tired, and repeatedly proven false, usually by butthurt people that couldn't strategize their way out of a wet paper bag. Furthermore, I would submit that the proper purview of this problem of a few people intentionally* crashing zones is a "disruption of the game servers" type of GM ticket under EULA clause 1(C)(ix). Unless you expect multiboxers to just give up and abandon their hobby because a few bad apples are being douchebags? You're not a college student perchance, are you?Quote:
Originally Posted by CMKCot
* Intentionally meaning they know it crashes the zone either more often or more quickly than normal, so repeatedly doing it would seem to be an abuse of game mechanics, especially if they're dropping 40-100+ pets/banners/whatever to purposely exacerbate the situation. I'm kinda surprised that if this has been going on this long (and judging by the twitter stuff, it has been) and with the gazillions of complaints these folks have surely gotten every day that it is still going on. IT'S LIKE BLIZZARD DOESN'T EVEN GIVE A SHIT. Why ever could that be...
Again, just in case it wasn't clear, I'm not arguing that WoW might eventually decide to kill off multiboxing. I'm just saying that fratricide is not going to achieve your aims or sway the opinions of people who clearly do not listen to us and never have. ;)
I don't think he/she/it was addressing the 40+boxers but the ISBoxer dev primarily.Quote:
Originally Posted by ebony
I knew 79 was the sweet spotQuote:
Originally Posted by CMKCot
...and all this shit was answered 5 hours ago. I am sure Mirai can clean up my post and make it nice and pretty.For the same reason we allow you to have multiple World of Warcraft licenses on your Battle.net account and to be registered to multiple Battle.net accounts. If we didn't then you could not create an account to be used by a minor child (that you are the parent or legal guardian of). You'd be restricted to having a single account, ever.
Multiboxing is not a supported playstyle, but it doesn't violate our policies.11/20/2015 11:41 AMPosted by JalënNot exactly. That is the problem with this one, most people have very little understanding of the actual events that happened. The penalty you are referring to was done in error. After a more thorough investigation it was overturned.
Didn't you ban Swifty for a server crash?11/20/2015 11:41 AMPosted by JalënBecause that generally doesn't happen. While your connection may be impacted by having a lot of characters in an area, it rarely impacts server stability.
Some people would say, "just ignore it", but how can I ignore an issue that is the result of constant server crashes? How is it that something like this is allowed in World of Warcraft?11/20/2015 11:41 AMPosted by Jalën
The only benefit that I see is that it fills up your wallets with money.
Another misconception. Yes, a multiboxer may pay more in game purchases and subscription fees than you do, but that doesn't necessarily translate into more revenue. Encounters with a multiboxer may have a negative impact on another players game experience, because going up against 5 characters as 1 can be frustrating. So in the end that multiboxer may have cost us a player, and that can happen at any time.
It is allowed because the activity doesn't violate policy, period.
http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/19972717210Posted by AskariWhat posts are created on the forum isn't indicative of how the server itself is behaving. During those times there are certainly drops,I can see them, but the realm/zone/instance itself does not go offline. There are population drops, but those don't zero out either.
I would suggest any blue go take a look at the Emerald Dream forums right now and see that our community is railing at the moment. Seriously, go take a look.
That is more indicative of the individual users systems and connections as the area remains online and populated.11/20/2015 12:14 PMPosted by AskariBecause unless they are using a different method outside the normal ones used by the majority of multiboxers, they are otherwise in direct control of the characters.
Im curious how 1 person piloting 80 toons isnt considered botting?11/20/2015 12:05 PMPosted by JalënNo, I'm saying the activity that is often associated with multiboxers, is not considered to be a violation of our policies. From a CS point of view there is nothing that we'd be able to do.
Based on this blue post, we should just all sit on our hands and do nothing about it.
If you believe they are somehow exploiting, or intentionally causing realm issues, using the right click report option or sending an email to hacks@blizzard.com with relevant information would be the course of action you'd want to take.
If this is a practice that you think should not be allowed or at least limited, you'll need to submit your feedback to our Development team. You can do that by posting in the General Discussion forum and/or submitting your suggestions via the in-game interface option.11/20/2015 12:05 PMPosted by RasekTo be clear, no, it hasn't. There was an issue yesterday with several realms, Emerald Dream included, but the realm itself outside of this week's maintenance has not had any other major incidences.
Yeah the whole "They don't affect servers" is silly, considering Emerald Dream has been brought down a ton this week alone due to too many characters fighting in a single space.11/20/2015 12:14 PMPosted by AskariThat may be your honest opinion, Askari, but that is what it is, an opinion. While we absolutely value the opinion you may have, that doesn't make it accurate. It is unfortunate that those that voice such an opinion that we "only care about money" are rarely apt to change their mind, even with all evidence to the contrary.
Lets be honest though, Blizz only cares about money; but yet they wonder why subs are so low.
As I heard one of our Developers say recently, it is our games that bring in the revenue but the revenue does not drive the decisions about our games.
I think this discussion has run its course.
oh i forgot to say our 40 mutliboxer on outland used to raid stromshild a lot, one time (last few months) he got told by a gamemaster to leave the zone and stay away from it as it was infarct making the server lag for them and they could tell from hardware logs of the realms that it was not coping well.
He did not banned and took the note and just stayed to sw/if and other zones that was not as painful for the servers. So blizzard doing nothing is a lie.
And talking about realm stable-able Outland eu had a guild that was using lag switches (players out there to crash the realm) to get a easier win he got a full ban last mouth for this. so blizzard does do stuff about this.
outland-eu sounds as bad as this us server.
But like the blue posts say to ban us there going to have to stop real players using the tools we use and its not fair on them to what stop a handful of mutiboxers and that post might have a lot of posts but to be fair it could only be 3 or 4 players kicking off and using other accounts to post off. and once one starts the others join in.
we always been hated nothing going to change, even though half the time we die fast just when we don't!
Gotta admit now I want to make a team on Emerald Dream....
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my 2 cents: lol blizzard's game cant even run a 100 people in an area without crashing. Reminds me of when casting 10x army of the dead would lag out the AV server. complete trash.
TLDR: People are mad at Prep for being Prep.
I would be fine with liming the amount of accounts allowed in WoW for a single person to something less ridiculous (10-20?) to reduce the negative effects a few people have on many others and to promote skilled gameplay over brute force with numbers. However, if seen required, it is the responsibility of the game developer to instate and enforce such rules. Limiting the capabilities of ISBoxer to start enforcing our own rules within the boxer community to limit the options of users and as would be the case here, targetting a few specific individuals to stop them from playing within the boundaries of the game's TOS, does not seem like the correct response to me. It is not the place of this comminuty to attempt and regulate what is and is not acceptable in each individual game.
This of course does not mean that we as a community need to condone everything that can be done without breaking the rules of any individual game. Plenty of behaviour even people playing single characters, that fall within the rules given by developers, are fine but still fall very much under the "dick move" category (e.g: continuosly ganking low level players, killing quest mobs, etc). While they are seen as negative and I would assume most of us would denounce such activities (to an extent anyways), it is simply not up to us to create and enforce rules regarding these kinds of issues.
Oh, you don't even need that many. Belinda defense with my 8 DKs can freeze the instance for a good 15 seconds. -.-Quote:
Originally Posted by EaTCarbS
For me multiboxing is all about what the Krushpack/Ellay videos showcase. Being in full control of what your 4-5 chars do, and being completely aware of your surroundings. That is a completely different thing from running around with godmode turned on with 40+ chars.
There is some idiot on my realm cluster who just stands in one of the MoP cities killing off everyone who tries to take a portal, for hours on end, with a raid full of toons (can't even say if he has 30 or 50). I just makes me log out or change toons/do something else. What's the fucking point even. If that is what is allowed and the game admins decide that it's not a problem, fair enough but I think (and act) different.
If people leave church after a wedding/funeral you are technically allowed to just go stand in the way with 40 people and sing funny songs. But that doesn't change the fact that it's completely moronic behavior and an absolute dick move. It's pretty much how I think about the boxers who run large groups in pvp.
I still get a kick out of these kind of threads.
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Originally Posted by zenga
we have one too on the EU forums crying
http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/16518582061
I understand their frustration.. in that situation they didn't have a shred of hope of winning. That kind of boxing I find out of order. When I box it involves me and only me.. I would never impact on anothers gameplay.Quote:
Originally Posted by sparvath
That arana is a mass mostly done by guilds or other runs. Stuff like that does not work in wow.Quote:
Originally Posted by Andreauk
80+ is lagging the server? it is lagging no matter what, Even if you put 150 people in the same area without any multiboxer, it will do that, to prevent server from crashing. (creates huge bubble around it and that area goes into - phase)
I remember on Darkspear, thrallmar - hellfire - Allliance would come and attack the starting area. Every damn day, not 1 guy, A guild with 10+ people and camp that area over and over....10 - 20 multiboxer steps in, they start crying about it.... that is not fair.
They also raided ORG every damn day. Not anymore. You cant access the mailbox or ah? plenty of areas to go and access that .
It is a video game.
I wouldn't mind being killed by a guild.. but 1 person killing me then themselves just to win?Quote:
Originally Posted by ebony
That moment when you realize an entire faction can't find a competent fear-bomber(s)...Quote:
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Maybe we should be louder. Preparedwow's actions could cause rules to implemented that would hurt us.
R.I.P. WoW Multiboxing
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am not really that worried this could be anything.
Saw that. Honestly, I agree with him that it has nothing to do with multiboxing -- it's about people knowingly causing game server instability in violation of the ToS; the tool is irrelevant. The only remaining question is, will Blizzard view it the same way. I suspect so but time will tell.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tin
For clarification (because this isn't the first time someone has mistaken my role)... I do not own this domain, I do not run this forum, and I do not directly work on, or develop, ISBoxer. I am one of several moderators on this forum, and I make videos on YouTube related to multiboxing with ISBoxer.Quote:
Originally Posted by CMKCot
Did you want to add something to the discussion in addition to the link? When you just drop a link (with no context) it almost looks as if you're just trying to get people to click on something... Unless you're Asmongold!Quote:
Originally Posted by Tin
I watched the video the day it came out, and I replied directly to Asmongold to let him know that there were others (perhaps, a majority?) in the community that felt the same way.
Yes, let us hope that if any decision is made, that Blizzard punishes the behavior, rather than the playstyle. I even released a video earlier today about it, and I tried to get the word to several Blizzard employees who might be part of any decision that may potentially be made.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ughmahedhurtz
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gwAkFr46fhs
Blue Araxom just commented on the issue on reddit. His wording might lead to some speculation though: 'On a relative note, we've seen a significant uptick in the number of multiboxing concerns that have been brought up across the various channels and we're currently in talks about the subject'.
While it sounds to me at first sight that 'the subject' is related to multiboxing, it links to another blue post that says that they are looking into this one particular subject (i.e. the massive boxer) and not multiboxing in general.
It sucks that we could all suffer just because of one persons actions. I don't know why he dose not realise this himself, he obviously loves the game or is it more the fact that he thinks hes a god running around 1 vs 100 people and calling them weak players on his stream.
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Good stuff! Thank you for that Mirai!Quote:
Originally Posted by MiRai
I didnt watch, but I am guessing I would agree with the mirai opinion. Did the video touch on this websites obvious bias against him? I mean he is still ip banned on this site right? Does he use isboxer? hmmmQuote:
Originally Posted by Lyonheart
I'd like to make it clear that it's 40-60 accounts, not 100+. I'm going to edit the title of this thread to be less misleading.
Interesting.Quote:
Originally Posted by zenga
The video makes no claims, and mentions no names. It only asks that "if the multiboxing playstyle is under review due to a few disruptive, large-scale multiboxers, that any changes made to it, not adversely affect the small-scale multiboxing playstyle," as well as states, "toxic players and their toxicity should be dealt with on a per-player basis."Quote:
Originally Posted by Fat Tire
I watched pepard last night and he was not killing ever player he see. He was not making the server lag using toys etc. This seems part of an ongoing "guild" wars where they used to hop onto dark spire so he says he took the war there.
And his playing 60 accounts. Just sounds like outland drama to me (EU). Or though the player that's been saying we lag the server has been banned 2 times in the last month
I was 5-boxing earlier in Tanaan jungle when I was attacked by a single alliance toon who I quickly destroyed, like duh I had 5. About 20 minutes later I hearth to Warspear and I see in the chat channel some sort of chat bot saying "Report [Shame][Branched][Schreech][Bently][Beaute] for botting." and being sent over and over again. Sometimes it said "for botting" but that part of the chat changed.
They are using bots to try to stop boxers. I didn't say anything, there were already half a dozen people getting annoyed with him and "reporting for reporting" comments.
JohnGabriel exaxtly this kind of msg, i bet ur names were colered aswell, are not real. It's a joke be cause some people have found a code to type in chat that will make ur name appear. So when others saw that msg their very own name was listed. I saw one do it with free gold, and whole tradechat kind of went crazy. So there is nothing to be afraid of in youre case :)
And yes it does list even multiboxed chars.
It most likely will affect all of us in a very adverse way. Just knowing how these kind of things squeak their way through the corporate domain doesn't give me a lot of hope.
It will take development time to accommodate what should be done.
Ex: Allow one bnet account more wow accounts and then limit things like follow to bnet account only, then restrictions based on number of logged in sessions.
2 - no restrictions and officially supported.
3 - bg restriction
5 - pvp restriction
10+ phasing restriction.
That takes development effort though. I hope that they consider this but again, the cost to do it might outweigh the benefit of doing it.
I could very easily see this decision to ban all multiboxers coming down from the executive level from someone who has never played the game let alone explored the playstyle.
The world of warcraft's game director - Tom Chilton aka Kalgan has publicly said he mutiboxes.Quote:
Originally Posted by MadMilitia
As for the restrictions I would be ok with them
Ah, I didn't know that. So he probably dwells here from time to time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fat Tire
That's cool. Yeah I think the mechanisms are needed. Mine come from having been involved in multiboxing since very early EQ ( via MQ ). I think the heart of multiboxing is in fact dual boxing. I like the complexity though I don't care if others want to box 40. The question is why as I view world PvP as an arms race. A huge waste of time and money on both sides of the argument. It just boils down to who has more and focus firing your way to victory. It reinforces the idea of having 40+ for what amounts to empty bragging rights.
The real multiboxer game is in arenas, challenge modes, etc. Doing something people would usually think impossible.
So it stands to reason someone can 10 man a rated BG but only if they occupy all 10 slots which prohibits them from queuing into randoms with a 5 or 10 man party. The same goes for LFD and LFR.
Phasing out 10+ permanently would also go a long way to removing the target from our backs, reduce the impulse purchase ( aka arms race ) and generally make both sides happier and probably healthier.
Mind this is all just me saying I prefer dual boxing and think that 40+ boxing boils down to something that isn't the true spirit of the playstyle.
Well, don't forget that this "arms race" of whiners was going on well before multiboxing was a thing; we're just the equivalent of drag queens at the Marine Corps Ball, politically.Quote:
Originally Posted by MadMilitia
Ah, but "spirit of the playstyle" has no fixed meaning, never has, and never will. Ditto with PvP. Ganking lowbies isn't in the spirit of the playstyle if you're the lowbie but if you're an archetypical nub-pwner, It's Fine L2P. The arms race IS the entire raison d'etre of PvP; it's why there isn't a checkers MMO. ;)Quote:
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