Keyclone vs AutoHotKey

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03-31-2008, 05:53 PM
Dood

Keyclone vs AutoHotKey

I'm relatively new to dual boxing and very new to 'multiboxing with input replicators'. I must admit, after purchasing a copy of keyclone and tripleboxing warlocks to level 10, I'm VERY impressed.

The biggest challenges that I find are movement. I have since disabled replication of movement keys, including the auto-run key, and this has helped greatly.

My current, unresolved challenge is combat movement. Mostly with 'not facing in the right direction' issues. Correcting this with respect to auto-follow's limitations, is really goofy and being on a pvp server, I feel that I might quickly get my trash kicked by even one player of the same level.

From what I've read about AutoHotKey, you can program set commands to run, allowing partial automation of movement. This is appealing to me in the sense that I need minor automation capabilites. An example would be to change facing left or right, or backwards.

My questions to Keyclone and AutoHotKey users:
-Are there any predefined key commands that you can specify, such as: hold left key for .5 seconds?
-Is there a way to remap one key to different key on the 'clone' machine(s).
-What are the capabilities/limitations on using a mouse with mutliple 'boxes' on the same computer?

Your input would be greatly appreciated. Thank you all in advance.
03-31-2008, 05:59 PM
geoffdavison

any automation = ban... be very careful... btw I know Jack and his friend Squat about AHK..
03-31-2008, 06:29 PM
Gurblash

Quote:

Originally Posted by 'Dood',index.php?page=Thread&postID=48519#post4851 9

-Are there any predefined key commands that you can specify, such as: hold left key for .5 seconds?

This right there is why I don't recommend ANYONE to AHK. If you can write timed scripts in it I cannot support it.

In my view Rob has created one hell of a product in KeyClone. He supports it well, updates it regularly and listens to his customers.

For me its Keyclone or nothing.
03-31-2008, 06:30 PM
Clanked

AHK Lets you remapp keys.
I have capslock remapped to ctrl.

In this forum however, people are VERY pro Keyclone because it is developed by one of the members.
Asking for help will prolly result in "just use keyclone"
If you are willing to read the manual, ahk is quite simple.
03-31-2008, 06:39 PM
Dood

I understand the risks to 'automated' game play.

I don't want to risk it, but I think that pushing a key to turn you 90 degrees is hardly what they consider 'automated'. If I were to write it to kill mobs and loot them, however, they would have my account banned pronto.

I understand that a LOT of users use AHK, and have small commands that 'reposition' the toon to ease certain situations.

My question still stands: Is this possible in keyclone? or any work arounds that are reasonable?
03-31-2008, 06:42 PM
Gurblash

no its not possible in keyclone, because keyclone doesn't automate key presses.

You can't, script, a keypress to hold for 0.5 seconds so that you turn 90*.

But your keyboard will do that just fine with the left arrow key, no need for fancy scripts.
03-31-2008, 06:47 PM
kllrwlf

Quote:

Originally Posted by 'Clank',index.php?page=Thread&postID=48537#post485 37

AHK Lets you remapp keys.
I have capslock remapped to ctrl.

In this forum however, people are VERY pro Keyclone because it is developed by one of the members.
Asking for help will prolly result in "just use keyclone"
If you are willing to read the manual, ahk is quite simple.

For myself, I like Keyclone because I don't read manuals. 8o

This is what happened on my first day.
1. Bought 4 more copies of WoW
2. Registered all of the copies
3. Bought Keyclone and registered
4. Made a character with each account
5. Loaded up Keyclone
6. Got into the starting zone for everyone
7. Pressed "1"... wow, "1" was pressed for all toons
8. Made a simple macro of "/follow and /assist main" for my alts
9. Started killing mobs and questing.

AHK would require me to read manuals and ask a lot of questions on how to use it.

And BTW, having Keyclone as a regular member here is a plus in my eyes. :love:

To answer the OP, any delays is a no-no in Blizz's eyes. People were banned in doing something similar with other softwares that did the same thing. You can remap keys. Using the mouse simultaneously is going to hard to do, and I'm pretty sure most people don't. (this is assuming that you want to cast something like Blizzard from all of your toons at once using the mouse to select the region).
03-31-2008, 06:50 PM
Dood

If I could cast multiple blizzards, I'd reroll them all mages in a heartbeat.

I think it's possible to copy the mouse if you're using other machines with keyclone... amirite?
03-31-2008, 06:52 PM
thinus

Quote:

Originally Posted by 'Dood',index.php?page=Thread&postID=48541#post4854 1

I don't want to risk it, but I think that pushing a key to turn you 90 degrees is hardly what they consider 'automated'. If I were to write it to kill mobs and loot them, however, they would have my account banned pronto.

I beg to differ. Most of the "bot" detection will be automated and it probably could care less if you are using it to move or using it to farm.

It is against the ToS and I advise you to delete this topic.
03-31-2008, 06:52 PM
Gurblash

[quote='Dood',index.php?page=Thread&postID=48547#po st48547]
I think it's possible to copy the mouse if you're using other machines with keyclone... amirite?[/quote]

If your using multipule PCs I believe so. 1 PC though its not possible.

And there is an addon in the Macros and Addon forum that will help you with your mass blizzards :) [url='http://dual-boxing.com/forums/index.php?page=Thread&threadID=4901']MiniMap Ping - Castable AOE Spell Helper[/url]
03-31-2008, 07:14 PM
Dood

Quote:

Originally Posted by 'thinus',index.php?page=Thread&postID=48549#post48 549

It is against the ToS and I advise you to delete this topic.

How do I delete a topic?

I apologize for doign anything wrong, I was just curious.
03-31-2008, 07:28 PM
keyclone

Howdy Dood and welcome to the forums!

if your interest is combat movement... then you will experience the same problem no matter what solution you use (hardware or software). it boils down to the facing direction of each character and your COMPLETE inability to set them all to face the same EXACT direction.

here's the problem. imagine your toons as boats on a pond. extend a line from the middle of each bottom, thru the bow, to about 30 yards in front of each. this is your heading vector. using a global 'compass' where due north (straight up) would be true zero... then measuring the angle from true zero to your heading vector would give you your heading... some number of degrees from true zero.

in wow, the heading is probably accurate to hundredths of a degree. so your 2 toons, joe and sam, after you face them as best you can in the same direction.. would have headings of 42.03 and 42.75 degrees. seems pretty close... until you start moving forward... and their paths start to diverge. it doesn't take long before they move from a step apart to a few yards. add a few lefts and rights in there, while moving forward, and they are significantly distant from each other. add the effect of in-game actions that will turn the toon, ie: arcane missile, fear, etc, and their heading is way off course.

in the end, you MUST use /follow to keep them together.

as you can see, using keyclone, AHK, or hardware would make no difference.

as for AHK... well... if you like to noodle with 6 pages of scripts looking for bugs, have fun. considering some users can't find the stickies to start with, learning the details of an AHK script seems to be a fairly unlikely. (and yes,... on top of that would be the automation capability, which i specifically avoid in keyclone, making AHK a potential target of the ban hammer)

personally, i use some movement keys in close situations for spin,
strafe or step forward/back... but i'm right back on /follow in no time.

keep in mind, i am open to suggestions... so, if there is something you'd like to see in keyclone that is possible, drop me a note and i'll see what i can do.
03-31-2008, 07:31 PM
keyclone

Quote:

Originally Posted by 'Dood',index.php?page=Thread&postID=48559#post4855 9

How do I delete a topic?

I apologize for doign anything wrong, I was just curious.

no worries, dood.. you didn't do anything wrong... people are just concerned about anyone discussing anything that could be against the TOS.

if the post is determined as such, it'll get snipped.
03-31-2008, 07:54 PM
Dood

Hehe:
Howdy [Enter Name Here] and welcome to the forums!

... message about movement issues ...

:P I read this from another post I searched for. First, mr keyclone, GREAT SOFTWARE. Second, I can make /follow work. It will just take some getting used to, as does targeting, etc.

I really like the keyclone software. I'd like to get it on another machine to support more accounts, just have to approve another license fee with the CFO (my wife).
Thanks for all your support! I will keep plugging away with keyclone and exploring the completelylegitimateandblizzardfriendly macro's and addons!