so ya..... they gone and done it!
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/...914_010604.jpg
there no kick or report AFK SYSTEM's in place this is 100% hate for boxers.
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so ya..... they gone and done it!
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/...914_010604.jpg
there no kick or report AFK SYSTEM's in place this is 100% hate for boxers.
Is this the PvP area of Ashran?
Just so people don't get confused; I assume your reporting that /follow isn't working there and not in the hubs or other non-pvp areas.
If that's the case - then I probably won't be playing the next expansion.
I can confirm that follow is nonfunctional in the pvp areas of Ashran. Someone more eloquent than I should write an impassioned post about how this directly effects our playstyle in an open environment..
still works in the citys.Quote:
Originally Posted by HPAVC
Wait, you say cities and by that do you mean follow only works in cities? Or just anywhere that isn't Ashran?
the back off ashran where your talking about i would think are classed as a city and follow works there the world pvp zone is on its own server. you phase there. and follow dies on the way in.Quote:
Originally Posted by Multibocks
it still works in arena just tested it.
in other news.
MR. Ethereal-soul-trader works in ashran now.
http://www.wowhead.com/spell=49964/ethereal-soul-trader
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/...914_032246.jpg
I WOULD NOT GO OUT AND BUY it AS it was broken at one point in bg's and ashran.
old SS
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/...614_004446.jpg
i knew it..oh well.. i guess i should have waited until closer to release to pay for 5 WoD upgrades
yep we all know it deep down, prepared been there with 20 accounts been a lot of QQQuote:
Originally Posted by Lyonheart
Well, I canceled all 15 of my accounts and included a note with each one stating that it was due to the removal of autofollow from Ashran. I'm sure it will have next-to-zero impact, but I believe in voting with my wallet.
Man that's disapointing, just as I was gearing up to get back into boxing. :(
Makes sense to me that if they don't want (or make it hard) multiboxers in BG's that they don't want multiboxers in a central pvp zone either. But one could see this coming from miles away after previous dev statements ('multiboxing is fun for the guy doing it but not for the ones on the receiving end', etc ... ).
But ye, same thing like before: couple guys running around with their own invincible army and eventually it affects all other < 5 boxers.
Meh, melee is king. Dont need follow for that
If they dont add an afk/kick it will end up being a cluster fuck anyways, with or without 10-25+ boxers
I'd argue this is more of a concession to bots than anything else.
When they originally removed /follow from battlegrounds they said it was to get rid of bots. Really it only gets rid of shitty, most-obvious bots, and multiboxers. I'm sure they could pretty much care less if multiboxers are in battlegrounds, if it weren't for random complaints and people referring to multiboxed toons as "bots". I don't think they're really that concerned about less obvious bots -- as I said back in 2007 when I was working with Blizzard's Warden (anti-cheat) on a regular basis and knee-deep in the legal BS between Blizzard and Glider, "quite frankly, if a cheater does not appear to be cheating to the other players, then clearly no harm is done to the game". I can't speak for them obviously but I personally met and talked to various members of the Warden/Risk team at Blizzard and they didn't exactly disagree with my statements from the time. (They did, however, say that Prepared running so many accounts would become a problem for multiboxers.)
So instead of spending their time and energy dealing with the actual bot problem, they're taking the route of reducing the number of characters who appear to be cheating to the other players. This is a much easier and less costly solution for them, especially considering that with respect to Warden and detecting bots running on players' PCs, their hands are somewhat tied! (They can't implement scans that are particularly invasive, and bots are pretty good at hiding from them.) One of the only remaining defenses they have is legal, and with bot developers not in the US (say, "for the sake of example", in Germany) the legal team also has their hands somewhat tied.
The practical effect of this is that the more human-looking bots become more effective, and the profits of said bot developers is increased (people have to use those bots instead of the shitty ones) -- and there is the concession to bot developers. Blizzard is, blatantly I would say, choosing these bots over multiboxers.
And I am certain that many people who would otherwise be multiboxing and following the rules, will be botting instead and violating them. In this scenario, that is a win for Blizzard.
They have to rely too much on player reports, and they're effectively reducing those. Meanwhile, they can say they're doing something about the bot problem, they can still show that they are banning people (a la reports), and they can still rake in cash from selling accounts and subscriptions to a pretty sizable population of botters who are often happy to repurchase the game.
Long story short, I don't think that cancelling your multiboxed accounts will affect change on this issue. They will make that money back from botters -- a much larger population than multiboxers. However, we could maybe put together a formal legal complaint in a civil court to argue the issue, and maybe in the process force them to confirm in public records that they are not doing what they claim to be doing against bots.
I think at this point cancelling accounts isn't the best course of action. Ask questions and plead our case in a professional manner during this beta phase. If it ends up being a final decision come launch then take those measures.
We need to voice our opinions on twitter, the forums, etc. Let them know in such an environment disabling /follow makes little sense unless of course it is truly pointed at multiboxers and not bots.
Please don't whine, make your case, state the facts and have GOOD discussions about this.
Yup :(Quote:
Originally Posted by zenga
a simple follow bot has no great use here as they would not invite you to a group. and honor would suck as a lot it comes off killing players/npc u have to target
same for the world bossess to get the loot box's you need to do DMG/heal a target hiting to the boss not just be in the zone.
forgot to say the zone "used" to be classed as a battleground where anything you could no do a bg you could not do here this got taken out so but it might just be a bug to to changes and the bg rules will get put back in as mass res works there now. Soultrader is still broken in real bg's.
I'll chime in if someone starts a post - I'm pretty terrible at expressing myself in a way that makes sense to other people that aren't me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vecter
http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/14527272635#1Quote:
Originally Posted by Xixillia
Let's keep it civil, show your support!
Thanks vecter. If you have a beta US account please weigh in. Need all the support we can get I think.
http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/14527272635#1
I dont think anything like this will work, there are very few boxers and what good is 1 supportive forum post followed by hundreds against it?Quote:
Originally Posted by Vecter
Quote:
Originally Posted by Xixillia
Grr.. not in beta ( first beta in any MMO i did not get in ) I was going to post. I was going to say the removal of /follow in an open world zone in an upcoming expansion is basically saying " If you play more than one account you can only "effectively" play in the new PvE zones." i would say.. if we cant "effectively" play in Ashan then we are not getting equil treatment and enjoyment for the same dollars per account that solo players get. YES. i understand there are "workarounds" but most of us want to play the game how we play it anywhere else ( PvE ) and should be able to in all the areas of the game we PAY for.
The thing that bums me out is that this zone has a lot to offer someone who does not enjoy arenas, and it sounds like it will have a lot of ways to upgrade your toon. So if i im boxing in PvE but cant effectively box in Ashran..then my progression is limited.. at the very least to a very long time commitment to get the ashran rewards on my whole team.
I would also say that I would understand limits of some sort ( no more than X amounts of accounts at a time in the zone for example )
I paid for 5 WoD upgrades.. so ill be playing.. hell maybe PvE will be so fun i wont miss PvP.. but this bums me out.. i was looking forward to Ashran more than any other feature in WoD ( and boxing it specifically )
I didn't cancel my accounts out of a fit of rage or anything, I canceled them because WoD no longer offers anything fun for me, personally, to do.
I've been looking forward to Ashran since they announced it--A huge zone quasi-dedicated to pvp, with rewards commensurate to arenas/rated BGs and/or raiding. That sounds awesome, and I think there are going to be tons of people playing there. Without follow, I won't be able to enjoy it, and I've never truly loved arenas like other members.
So, adieu to WoW until/unless they re-add /follow in Ashran.
Uuuugggghhhhhhh, one of the big reasons why I bought the expansion. How sad.
Trying to convince Blizz to add follow into Ashran will work as well when they removed it from BGs. Talk with your wallet, tell Blizzard to eat shit in the most effective way possible.
You can get wod refunded even after using the boost.. they just lock the boosted toon till you pay again.
Because multiboxers had reasonable arguments they added /follow back for arena though.Quote:
Originally Posted by EaTCarbS
I think it was a mistake of multiboxers, especially prepared, to invade the beta with 5+ accounts, as their attitude towards boxers got worse and worse throughout pandaria causing trouble on beta was really dumb.
Out of sight, out of mind -- I couldn't agree more.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kruschpakx4
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Originally Posted by Kruschpakx4
and what it would of been removed a week later hot fixed into the game after you spent money/time levelingQuote:
Originally Posted by MiRai
None of us will ever know if removing follow from Ashran was on their radar to begin with and we will never know if we would have gotten a chance to play there on live, however it was implemented as a "battleground" from the start with follow enabled. But there's no doubt in my mind that when multiboxers began showing up there during beta -- especially in large numbers -- the future of /follow was quickly put on the list of things that they were going to discuss, and during beta I would imagine that these things are easier to change since all of the developers are knee deep in code right now and they literally push new builds at least once a week.Quote:
Originally Posted by ebony
Well on live we have a few pvp boxers across plenty realms, on beta we had prepared some a couple more boxers on a single server where blizz looks closely on feedback, as well as gm's/devs/holinka playing there. Despite this change been made against bots (that will most likely be their answer), it was still a bad idea to draw much negative attention after they started to rethink their attitude toward boxers. At least it lowers our chances to get some form of love, like allowing follow in bgs/ashran when the accounts are on the same battle net or something like that.Quote:
Originally Posted by ebony
I just don't believe in the bot argument here because ashran is meant to be fun and not a place to grind honor.
From the Live Chat earlier, Ebony had been on the phone with Blizzard asking about follow and getting a refund on WoD. At first, this
A short time later..Quote:
[12:00:07] <Ebony> he said ya more then likey your going to get banned if you find a work around. its been put in to be removed from the more of less the start
Talk about mixed signals. I'm not holding my breath but they "could" still be "thinking about it"Quote:
[12:33:26] <Ebony> they just phoned me back
[12:34:35] <Ebony> said there not made there mind up on follow in ashran and are still "thinking about"
We gotta convince Holinka of two things:Quote:
Originally Posted by Lax
1) That he will want to encounter multiboxers in Ashran
2) That he will want multiboxers on his team in Ashran
Only then will /follow be reinstated. ;)
In the meantime, leveling up 10x characters in RIFT. It's the only place for multiboxers to find open world pvp in any game on the market.
they was not the same person that phoned back.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lax
just a lot of mixed feelings it seems.
1st i was saying it seems more at boxers so there for if i find ways round follow could i get banned and they said yes. if the devs took follow out and your finding a way even with in game tools that be even using ingame tools (more then likey they just hotfix what we doing)
but the 2nd called they said unless Holinka says other wides it still stands as "thinking about it" what he posted they said as well the beta is still a few weeks behind what Q&A are testing (whatever that meens) and they could of just been playing with stuff. does not meen that its in game or will be so ill still do this refund for you and they needed something from me as they massed up what accounts i wonted refunding.
anyway i got refund pending on all my accounts.
but what does CS know anyway.
So as someone who picked up the pre-order... how do we go about getting a refund. I won't lie, I was looking forward to some world PVP. Was flying through Wintergrasp this weekend and /follow worked there as I knocked out all of the raid instance and picked up some small honor doing those bosses in the Vault. Ashran and the quest/PVP there was going to be our best way to do some gearing up for PVP in WoD.
I only 5 box but still, it takes time to grind points for and maintain a competitive set of gear.
I refunded 4 of 5 accounts some time ago .. just go into account management and make a ticket for a refund.. make sure to put all of the order numbers in the box at once that you want refunds on. I didn't even give a reason, they gave my money back no problem.
open a webchat/or call back ask for a fefund on your perolder they will lock the level 90 boasted toonQuote:
Originally Posted by smalltanker
this is the email i got them
my main account is still paid for.Quote:
his is the latest response from Customer Support:
Good evening,
I have now registered a refund request for an amount of 4 x 34.99 € GBP and we are proceeding with the necessary checks and verifications.
When the refund is approved your license will revert to the previous level or a starter edition if no license is left.
As previously mentioned remember that refunding a purchase is an exception, and something we can only assist with once every six months.
Please note that the estimated time to process a refund internally varies from 7 - 14 days
See you .
I don't like boxing in pvp.. that's my personal opinion. How many people really want boxers in pvp? I think more would like them kept out of the new zone rather than in.