Fittings and Ships for the beginner Incursion Runner

I touched base on this a little bit in my previous C5 WH thread but I wanted to start a new one just for incursions.

I know for low skilled ships you want to go with Navy Apoc and then later 6x Nightmares with 2x Vindicators and 2x Basilisks.

What are the ship fittings for a multiboxer for these ships? I know generally it will be different than the ones individuals run but what are the best way to fit them?

Is there a guide that would help a new multiboxer run VGs as a solo operation especially if you were to get contested by another group or even if you weren't?

I know I will run 10 accounts with possible off grid booster with links.

Any help would be appreciated.

I've been browsing http://incursions.nexsoft.de/ recently, as I am considering getting into incursions myself. A lot of fits on there are obvious crap, but some of them seem pretty decent.

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Originally Posted by EaTCarbS

I've been browsing http://incursions.nexsoft.de/ recently, as I am considering getting into incursions myself. A lot of fits on there are obvious crap, but some of them seem pretty decent.

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I was surprised to see not a single fitting for the navy apoc on that site. A quick google search pops up a lot of debate that an abbadon or geddon was a better choice. Maybe for dps but not for reaching spawn points. I guess multi boxing is a completely different realm in incursions.

This could end up being wall of text and I am unsure how much about VG's you know.

If you haven't run VG's solo then I can't recommend it enough... Get a NM and join 'incursion public' and it will list all the VG communities! Join all channels and add all mailing lists and you get to see each community fit! TVP + Helix are very good Shield VG runners. (There are others but these run a lot and run 5min sites all day everyday).

Next run like 100-200 sites, this is about 10-20hrs of sites... It may seem like a lot but your targeting needs to be completely automatic, Not even think just auto click and lock up and spam F1 (/F2).

So fits and methods to run sites.... These come down to what sites you wish to run...Some ppl never take NCO's because they have like 10-15 frigs + each spawn and take forever to clear in a NM setup... (webbing multiple targets + they get within 5-10KM and become a nightmare to hit) On the other hand ran into a guy running 10 navy mega's last night and he blitzed through them...

Setups : If you want to go pure sniper NM fleet then I would recommend 12 NM + 1/2 logi + perfect booster. Thats 2 more DPS than ppl normally take on grid... 8-10Dps is the norm with 2 scimis/ oneiros/basi /guard... But the extra 2 DPS really mean that u can alpha most waves before they get within webbing distance.

There is so much more information but do not know what u know and what you don't :)

TL:DR

1. Check out the fits of the main shield VG incursion runners. (they all have mailing lists with different fits standard, shiny etc)
2. Run 100+ sites in a sniper fit so that targeting becomes super automatic.
3. Decide what sites you will run then build a fleet around it.

Ask as many ques as you want. I have spent more time than I wish to admit trying to get a "perfect" setups.

All of this sounds like a lot of work and studying but gained mostly from experience which I don't have. I used to run incursions when they first came out as a logi as I didn't have the funds around that time to afford the preferred fits on most faction BS. Compared to running sites in a c5 it seems it could be the same amount of isk but with c5 it is a lot cheaper to setup.

My concern is that I would have to start from scratch and running incursions with no experience may cause me to lose more isk than I have available.

What are the thoughts on this idea?

having a limit on the maximum number of peopel you can field in incursions is the drawback for it. needs experience and setups can be more expensive since youre looking to min max each member of the fleet.

wormholes, you have neither of those constraints so you can fly 100 frigates if you wish or just a couple dreads. up to you.

the main difference is going to be safety. in wormholes its a lot easier to get ganked if youre not paying attention. of course this doesnt mean suicide ganking in hisec doesnt happen. its just a lot easier to tell when youre going to get ganked in hsiec over wh.

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Originally Posted by K'man

All of this sounds like a lot of work and studying but gained mostly from experience which I don't have. I used to run incursions when they first came out as a logi as I didn't have the funds around that time to afford the preferred fits on most faction BS. Compared to running sites in a c5 it seems it could be the same amount of isk but with c5 it is a lot cheaper to setup.

My concern is that I would have to start from scratch and running incursions with no experience may cause me to lose more isk than I have available.

What are the thoughts on this idea?

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Risk is relative imho. Once setup and know what your doing... the only risk in a High Sec incursion site is a DC... u would basically have to fall to sleep in a site not to be able to run it if you know what your doing... But that said, the setup cost is expensive if you wish to go optimum shield (sniper NM).

http://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Vanguard_Incursion_fits

Here are some good fits for Basic Battleships which you can run with about 1 months training!

Come with a INapoc with New Eden Incursions... I am in their channel and we have quite a few boxers in here chatting a lot!

Its really really important to learn how to do the incursions solo without the pressure of targeting + Logi! When I first started I took way too much damage cause I was just to slow to clear out what did most damage! Which means I can end up spending way too much time doing logi and not clearing dps off field...

Between C5 and Incursions. My only question is how many C5's can u constantly do ? Because save drama u can do Incursions everyday anytime of the day with very little risk... ISK is paid directly to you so no selling no hauling... little maintenance. LP on top of ISK which is pretty cool for getting implants.

What I like about my incursion setup is that they are a completely separate entity. They sit there and when I need some ISK or I have free time, I log and run for a couple of hrs and make 600-1.2bil per hr depending on how crowded, site times, general effort... The only problems I ever have is when incursion groups insist on popping moms over and over... but generally prior to this last 2 weeks of constant mom popping it has been run whenever i want for however long i want. Also after like a 5-6month train u can do whatever u want with the other char slots.. When do u stop with a drone setup ? I am guessing u could do something similar with them.

One thing to note is, I have trained my NM's for the prereqs for most T3's as well. I want them to have some value... If there comes a time when this no longer works... or incursions become unviable then I want them to have some resale value so I have tried to add a broad sub cap skill set as possible..

Also :

A NM Setup well explained

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NAbDPHnxLU4


A armor fleet

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bq4c-WCsS9c

Another armor fleet where he says chars are only 1 month old...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WIcGoSAQPeM



1 thing i will say is that a maxed OGB makes a massive difference in site times etc

ive got 11 characters atm, 2 which are low SP atm but oh well. 3 can fly basi, 1 being basi only, 1 being basi/dps and 1 being basi/links, how would you recommend going about doing vanguards? can run a max of 12 accounts on my PC and only got the 11+1 unsubbed atm that can do nightmare

I like the idea of incursions as it would suit me better as I get distracted very easily by my children. Night before I know I will have several hours to play (while my children and wife are sleeping) I will take my small fleet of expensive ships to the incursion areas. Then I can make some isk for my multiboxing PVP. I can also train them to a point where like you said would be valuable enough to recover some isk and time if I would to sell them later on or things change to a point they are no longer acceptable for incursions.

So your suggesting I run the incursions to learn more about them? It is slightly different when running them on your own as you said you would take out the highest dps npc first and work your way down as to the traditional way of a group of individuals. These are all things I would need to learn. Also with the spawns being random I would think I need to make a cheat sheet of in order npc to kill per spawn till I can memorize them.

Would you suggest the Navy Apoc Idea starting out with the intension of running NM's?

You mentioned you run them do you multibox them solo? What is your setup like?

Thanks for your input it helps out trying to figure out which direction i want to go with my 11 accounts. Only reason I am leaning towards WH sites is because I have lived in them since they came out except for a year when I was helping out some new bros to the game for a year. I am more comfortable in that sense compared to incursions where I only dabbled in them for just a month or two and only rand maybe a dozen sites.

another thought is, do you think i would ever be able to find someone to run incursions with where i just run dps ships? atm i got 7 characters with high gunnery and t2 large lasers subbed which atm is in a WH running sites in there in drone boats. Ive never bothered with incursions due to hearing that people there hate boxers and i havent had more then 8 characters untill recently.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NAbDPHnxLU4

look at this vidya for an idea on how to do it with nightmares.

Are they changing anything with Incursions? I had heard they might be changing the way you do them with BS size ships, and nerfing it or something? this might have been rumor from 6 months ago, I havent been able to play in a while.

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Originally Posted by Mokoi

Are they changing anything with Incursions? I had heard they might be changing the way you do them with BS size ships, and nerfing it or something? this might have been rumor from 6 months ago, I havent been able to play in a while.

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I have read about something about possible changes to vanguard sites being cruiser/bc only sites back in March of this year. That's why one of the reasons I thought a 9x legion setup with 2x guardians was a good idea.

I have been playing around with fittings and the navy apoc and the legion have almost the same cost to fit but the legion puts out about 500 more dps at the same ranges. The legion has a 55km + 8km with a 1551 volley every 2.89s while the navy apoc has a 59km + 14km with a 1853 volley every 4.34s assuming all skills are at level 5.

If they don't go with the changes the NM still is superior in damage with 6551 volley at 6.6s at 42km + 32km. I was able to duplicate the fittings to the best of my ability from that video of the 12 NM and 1 Basi setup. It's insane dps all skills at level 5 and many faction mods. Cost with current market was 1.5b per NM. The legions and navy apoc were half the cost but also half the volley damage.

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Originally Posted by K'man

I have read about something about possible changes to vanguard sites being cruiser/bc only sites back in March of this year. That's why one of the reasons I thought a 9x legion setup with 2x guardians was a good idea.

I have been playing around with fittings and the navy apoc and the legion have almost the same cost to fit but the legion puts out about 500 more dps at the same ranges. The legion has a 55km + 8km with a 1551 volley every 2.89s while the navy apoc has a 59km + 14km with a 1853 volley every 4.34s assuming all skills are at level 5.

If they don't go with the changes the NM still is superior in damage with 6551 volley at 6.6s at 42km + 32km. I was able to duplicate the fittings to the best of my ability from that video of the 12 NM and 1 Basi setup. It's insane dps all skills at level 5 and many faction mods. Cost with current market was 1.5b per NM. The legions and navy apoc were half the cost but also half the volley damage.

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You are telling me your legion fit does 1100dps? Additionally i gave it because it is low sp. Legions are def not low sp fits lol. The napoc does approx 660-700dps with skills at 5 and imp navy multi

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Originally Posted by Jacobsalt

You are telling me your legion fit does 1100dps? Additionally i gave it because it is low sp. Legions are def not low sp fits lol. The napoc does approx 660-700dps with skills at 5 and imp navy multi

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I based this on an OTA at sniping ranges of the NPC spawn points. Which almost all videos I have watched with any type quickness of completing them between 5 and 7 minutes each the NPC are between 40km and 50km before the sniping begins. So I based range off of what I have studied.

This is the break down according to all level 5 skills and assuming at sniping ranges at 50km:

Legion DPS 537

Navy Apoc DPS 427

NM DPS 992

I am by no means an expert on this so I am just basing this off of what I have read and videos produced.

BTW how were you getting those numbers per hour running incursions that you mentioned in my other thread? Your running 12 accounts? I am curious because if a multiboxer was able to duplicate that isk/hr ratio it would be superior to c5 wh income.

Wierd, your site times are waaay too high for sniping fits, and long for even the slower cr fits. figure 3-4 mins as a better bench mark.

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Originally Posted by Jacobsalt

Wierd, your site times are waaay too high for sniping fits, and long for even the slower cr fits. figure 3-4 mins as a better bench mark.

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I have no experience multiboxing incursions. Only videos I have watched were between 5-7 min and I thought that was quick.

Even at 5 mins per site thats still 1.5 billion per hour, every minute you gain in site times is a huge gain in isk/hr.

When is it an appropriate time to start playing around with the isboxer software when your alts are only less than 100k sp?

i started setting up ISboxer right away. i took my guys out in their rookie ships and went to an asteroid belt and set up targeting asteroids, movement, and shooting asteroids properly.
as you get into different ships, its basically the same thing. movement. targeting. and shooting.