I play horde, and had a friend log on his alliance and join the same AV's as me. This was the result from the alliance BG chat ;)
http://ts.fh-guild.com/mb/allybgchat.jpg
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I play horde, and had a friend log on his alliance and join the same AV's as me. This was the result from the alliance BG chat ;)
http://ts.fh-guild.com/mb/allybgchat.jpg
Many people really don't have a clue indeed.
Nice to see another Norwegian here :)
People who drop the N bomb in games REALLY piss me off, and Im a white guy. Folks like that should have their accounts banned instantly, and the Jay and Silent bob gank squad sent to their house.
Just no reason for that kind of crap.
Im half norwegan to :)Quote:
Originally Posted by 'Maxion',index.php?page=Thread&postID=46865#post46 865
wat? you find the word Nigger ofensive? even black ppl i know dont do that :S its like if id find "cracker" or "dude" or "vanillaface" offensive XDQuote:
Originally Posted by 'PyrostasisTDK',index.php?page=Thread&postID=46873 #post46873
Meh white insults dont bug me for some reason... I dunno. Just dropping N bombs to insult someone who just kid your ass has always been a pet peave of mine.
/agreeQuote:
Originally Posted by 'PyrostasisTDK',index.php?page=Thread&postID=46873 #post46873
No shit, that drives me insane. You know it's some stupid ass 16 year old white kid who would be trembling in his pants if a black person ever caught him saying that.Quote:
Originally Posted by 'PyrostasisTDK',index.php?page=Thread&postID=46873 #post46873
(I'm white too btw)
Reminds me of something that happened in D2 not too long ago, pre-pubescent racist losers FTL:
http://thefinalwebsite.com/images/d2racism.jpg
Skuggo the Black people you know aren't American I'd assume...American stupidity does not recognize skin color ;) But yeah over here a big stink is raised over using it...and if a white guy says it because "I see Black people saying it all the time, I meant it like 'Wassup my nigga', like my bro, my friend!" doesn't ever cut it, whether the offended person says it or not lol; I personally believe it's best not to say it myself, it was originally a racial slur regardless of what it's become and some people still do get offended over it. In the end it's best to just avoid that kinda language ;p
First of all, The N bomb is almost always inflammatory. Of course things change. where as in the past the term was always used negatively, there is on occasion use for it in a positive sense (please note the conditions required for this are about as complex as the ones for creating worm holes).Quote:
Originally Posted by 'Skuggomann',index.php?page=Thread&postID=46884#po st46884
It's all about context.
The way you are thinking of the word is likely to be in a way of expressing affection amongst your friends (or at least I hope it is), altho even there it's a fine line.
in this case however.. it is clearly meant as an attack implying that being black is a bad thing.
Even if for a moment we assume he implied the Chris Rock meaning of the word, (referring only to a state of being/personality amongst a minority of black ppl) is still highly inappropriate.
As for insults against white ppl.. well for the sake of equality they should be treated with as much contempt as the N word, but personally they don't irritate me as the words don't carry with them such a history, they are almost always presented in a comical sense and thus their impact is vastly reduced.
Personally I would only ever use words that are purely descriptive by nature, and those clearly aren't.
hehe actually I'd say stupidity in general doesn't, it's still no excuse :PQuote:
Skuggo the Black people you know aren't American I'd assume...American stupidity does not recognize skin color ;) But yeah over here a big stink is raised over using it...and if a white guy says it because "I see Black people saying it all the time, I meant it like 'Wassup my nigga', like my bro, my friend!" doesn't ever cut it, whether the offended person says it or not lol; I personally believe it's best not to say it myself, it was originally a racial slur regardless of what it's become and some people still do get offended over it. In the end it's best to just avoid that kinda language ;p
believe me a bigger stink is raised over here if something like that is said, but oddly enough I find Americans almost overly sensitive to this sort of thing. Sorry for the generalisation, but here's a quick story to clarify what I mean:
I remember I was over in America visiting my brother.. not sure how the conversation came about but we were discussing Guys (lots of girls around so they kinda steered the conversation that way). I mentioned something about Black guys and how I tend to find darker skinned ppl generally better looking (that's right, I am comfortable talking about my own gender that way) and some girl started giving me stick about how using the term "Black" was offensive etc etc.. so I said.. ok sorry (wasn't aware that was considered offensive).. "the term is African-American!"... *Pause*... "Erm.. I hate to seem stupid here, but what do you call Black ppl that aren't American?".. needless to say I think I broke her brain.
What I wanted to highlight is only a sense I get as an outsider, that many of you seem so worried about describing someone, that any reference to their skin colour sends shivers down your spine. As long as the reference to skin colour is not offensive, used to generalise offensively etc it's ok. Using origin as a means of description is likely to be more offensive.
Some years ago, an american journalist was interviewing a black british athlete. And he kept asking about how it was as an african-american etc, and she kept telling him not to call her that.
And she pointed out that she was neither african, nor american, but in fact british! The journalist was at a loss of words, which is rather rare :)
roflQuote:
Originally Posted by 'Sarig',index.php?page=Thread&postID=47012#post470 12
My favorite part of that is:
[Battleground][Snowow-Ravenholdt]: and here comes the multiboxer
[Battleground][Snowow-Ravenholdt]: lovely
Haha. :D
As for the "n-word", here in NYC lots of kids use it the way you would use someone's name or call them "bro". Many of them are black and hispanic, the sort of kids whose parents will march on City Hall if a public official was to use a racial slur. But they rationalize it when the kids do it. I will never understand that.
Not to turn the discussion into one about racism/N-word, but honestly... The way I see it is that it's not ok for anyone, regardless of color, to use the term.
Just as we shouldn't be racist to those of certain skin colors by using derogatory names towards them, they shouldn't be racist by allowing themselves, and nobody else of a different color, from using the term in a positive manner (i.e. "hey bro").
Racism goes both ways. Either nobody says the word, or everyone can say the word. And since nobody can agree on it's use, or whether it's positive or negative, I prefer the former solution: nobody says the word.
I'm really looking forward to ruining a few BGs Only 30 more levels...
Historically oppressed minority groups often adopt the words used against them as a source of empowerment. Words can be used as powerful tools to instill a sense of inferiority/superiority. Adopting a word of phrase that has historically been used to keep you down takes power away from the oppressor. A lot has been written on the topic if you're really interested.
Oppressing the perceived oppressor is not the correct way to go about things. Using the word and then attacking anyone else who attempts to use it in the same positive fashion (not saying that the above SS is a positive use of the word, but just being hypothetical), is also oppression.Quote:
Originally Posted by 'Biz',index.php?page=Thread&postID=47028#post47028
Essentially, using a word and preventing those who do not share your same skin color from using it is also a form of racism. Just because my ancestry is different doesn't mean I should be prevented from using the word in the same "empowering" manner. It's hypocritical on the part of the former-oppressed. They are, essentially, promoting racism in the opposite direction by attacking people, purely based on skin color, from using "their" language. I would have a different opinion if the use of certain words was allowed by all people when used in an "empowering" manner.
In any case, this isn't the conversation for this thread, but I'd be happy to discuss more if someone wants to make a CONSTRUCTIVE thread in the off-topic forum. (I emphasize constructive because these sort of discussions can often become heated. If things get out of hand the thread WILL be locked.)
My last notes on the secondary discussion: I just remember some interviews I've seen regarding this issue and how it's gotten so politically correct...one of the older black gentlemen who was interviewed said something along the lines of "I take just as much offense to being called African-American as I do other terms. I think we should move past that prefix & connotation, as our ancestors may be from Africa, Ireland, and other places, WE personally were born HERE. We are natural-born Americans. Not African-, irish-, chinese-, or what have you-Americans, just simply Americans." and that pretty much sums up my personal opinion on it. Regardless of descent, you are who YOU are, where you are now. Now if only everyone else would look at the mind/personality over skin color and the like we'd all be better off; s'what is nice about the internet, one of the GOOD things about the Anonymity it provides. You act and react to people's personality andhow they present themselves first :p
(As far as "Black" being derogatory...where I grew up it hasn't ever had a bad connotation as far as I knew or believed; I had a bunch of black friends growing up(And Asian to boot) and it never meant shit to me; if someone's a dick they'll be a dick regardless of their looks :p If they're awesome friends they'll be awesome friends regardless too. In a more general view, "Black" shouldn't ever be taken derogatorily unless the rest of the context implies it, as "White" sure as hell doesn't carry the same stigma; I don't get mad if I'm called a white person because I am :p)
As for the main Discussion...yeah I lol'd :p Sometimes I wish they'd enable cross-faction chatting for say a day or week, maybe some world-wide event that either destroys the language barrier or it's disrupted or grants everyone a common language temporarily, and see how "bad" things would actually get if we were able to communicate...spammers would happen obviously but people spam /spit macros anyways, but I'd still like to see it :p
I rarely see any racist comment about the black community on the general channels but as a french guy and a multiboxer playing on a US server, I take a lot of crap every days.
See, look she took it away. Damnit! This is why we can't have nice things!Quote:
Originally Posted by 'Vyndree',index.php?page=Thread&postID=47024#post4 7024
I actually see extremely inflammatory words in /general, /trade, /yell, and /say on a regular basis. Mind you they are also directly in reference to me - my critic base is around the same as my fan base on my server and faction. While I am not a prude, and play with the language filter off because I consider mature language mature and not a crime, I have no idea how such racist, inflammatory words are let slide on my new server.
I originate from a PvE server, so I'm wondering if the standards for a PvP server are different, because I have had friends receive warnings, and I myself have received one, for short phrases put in general chat. In all these cases, the words were not explicit language, but simply were taken out of context. One had to learn to be 100% rated G in general chat on my old server because you would hear about it otherwise. Anyone else have experience with PvE vs PvP server chat maturity?
NINJA!Quote:
Originally Posted by 'ITAvenger',index.php?page=Thread&postID=47474#pos t47474
Mwahahahahaha!!!
Sadly, I have no faith in the human race. I don't think the planet will ever get rid of prejudice based on gender/race/religion/whatever. There will ALWAYS be people that hate other people for one of the above reasons. It stinks, but for however many 10's of thousands of years that mankind has existed, so has intolerance.Quote:
Originally Posted by 'Fursphere',index.php?page=Thread&postID=47027#pos t47027
Without conflict there is no progress. Most conflict is a direct result of our "uglier" sides, fear, greed, insecurity, jealousy, etc. Your feelings about people who are prejudiced against gender/race/religion/whatever already has a positive impact on you, you strive in your own life to be better than that so for you it created a positive goal and a boost to your self esteem.Quote:
Originally Posted by 'Gallo',index.php?page=Thread&postID=47539#post475 39
hmm kinda warped way of looking at it :PQuote:
Originally Posted by 'thinus',index.php?page=Thread&postID=47546#post47 546
I'd say ur right that seeing negative things can help you.. It will strengthen your resolve to do good IF you are already so inclined. If you have the mentality of a sadist however, things like that will just reassure you in the thinking that what you are doing is acceptable and will if anything drive you to do worse things.
overall conflict is not progress then.. It will strengthen your point of view, with the odd exception, whether it be good or bad. Progress in the right direction (doing good etc) can only be achieved in absence of conflict and with stimuli supporting ethical behaviour, productivity etc
What a discussion. I havent really read through all this, but I think I should have left out that one shot.
hmmm how about we leave political and ethnic discussions out now kthx.
everyone just stare at the bunny until all you can think about is funny bg chat in eots.
http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y26...cake-bunny.jpg
I didn't have breakfast this morning so that rabbit pancake's lookin pretty damn tasty right now ;p
http://img.foodnetwork.com/FOOD/2003..._waffles_e.jpgQuote:
Originally Posted by 'Eteocles',index.php?page=Thread&postID=48740#post 48740
?? :thumbsup:
You sir, are an evil, evil rabbit. Fortunately lunch break is in 15minutes and I'm good to go then ;p