At what point do you leave AV?

Maybe a strange question to some, but I hate being a drag on my team. It would be much faster to gear up if I queued random BGs, but with crappy gear we rarely win (which makes it not that fast afterall).

For those that are similar to me and hide in the 40 man BGs until you can contribute, at what point do you leave? I have 4/5 pieces of set gear, but the rest of it stinks. I'm also having trouble finding a second weapon for my enhancement shamans (primary weapon is from that scenario, 450 ilvl).

I normally just stick it out. if it isnt going my way i just start farming kills. say the enemy has 2 of our towers and is pinning us in our base and all their towers are up, i either just hide in boss room and let em win or go out and start killing. but i dont think deserter buff is worth it.

I do AV almost exclusively.
When it is IoC weekend, I switch to that.

If it is EotS weekend, I generally bounce between AV and EotS.

Haven't tried the new Powerball, but that is supposed to be boxer friendly.

Boxed I dislike like: Gilneas, SotA, Twin Peaks, WSG...
I don't especially care for: AB boxing either; the one with the train tracks doesn't sound to be that fun boxing...
Random gets a bunch that I don't like.

I typically never afk out due to the debuff. If I'm in a small BG and it's a guaranteed loss I'll either try to farm kills, or if it's a really organized premade (ran into a KT premade in powerball and i couldn't even get kills) I just wait it out and get my points for the loss. The loss is a lot quicker if you're taking up half or 1/3 of the team and stop contributing.

Powerball is the only 10 man I can consistently win, at least well over 50%, but I can tell within the first few minutes if that's the case. I rush in and try to wipe as many as possible; if I end up with most of my team still alive and/or can rez a few dead DKs we can usually win. If it's a close one like 1600-1000 kind of deal, you still get a lot of honor due to battlegrounds with points awarding a chunk of honor the more you get. Same goes with EOTS or Gilneas or AB, hold a few nodes till the end and still get decent honor.

I can't figure out Silvershard Mines to save my life. No matter how much I kill, how many carts I steal (I go wipe a group following a cart) we still seem to be way behind in points. Need to come up with a strategy for that one. There is only one spawn point for each team so you don't have to worry about your guys being split up, but the tricky part is running the carts which is what gets you points.

I have always hated IOC but stay till the end no matter what due to high honor. In AV, as a 5 boxer I can't seem to make a big difference; back capping is hit or miss especially as horde with the difficulty or running toons up those towers and then just getting stuck around a corner or getting thunderstormed/typhooned out. I think it'd be much easier to back cap an alliance tower, but then again there are LoS issues for ranged and not enough room to run around as melee. For defending Galv I need at least 5-10 others to come with me as 5v20 just doesn't work out that well, too much cc.

I cannot stand SoTa, having your toons split up right off the bat is a game killer, and then spawning all over the place if you die sucks as well. If you don't get the hell off the beach really fast you can just be snared/sapped/whatever and all you can do is pray for a respawn all the way back at the yellow gate.

I think what he's asking is, when do you stop hiding in the zerg in 40-man BGs and move on to other stuff.

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Originally Posted by Ughmahedhurtz

I think what he's asking is, when do you stop hiding in the zerg in 40-man BGs and move on to other stuff.

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I don't think so. He's asking when do we stop doing AV & IoC and do the 10 & 15 man BGs. I guess it's typical for boxers to do the 40 man BGs because with little to no gear, we can at least help a little whereas if we go into a 10 or 15 man BG without gear, we're a liability. And I think the answer is until you have enough gear and experience. Enough gear answer is at least be able to '2 shot' the enemy and know how to use your key abilities to survive a mini zerg against your team.

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Originally Posted by Ughmahedhurtz

I think what he's asking is, when do you stop hiding in the zerg in 40-man BGs and move on to other stuff.

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Pretty much. I think their responses are on point, though. It sounds like most hide in the 40-man, or farm HKs. Since I'm only running 4, and my odd account out has two level 90s, I queue with all 5, look at what BG it's going to be with the odd man out, and then leave queue with the others if I don't like it. The one toon gets an AFK marker, but I just log in with another 90 and repeat. If I don't like the new random that pops then I just use the 4 and queue AV. It's worked pretty well, but it will be a horribly long grind to PvP weapons.

I think Blizz screwed up big time with how hard it is to get PvP weapons, and how big of a difference there is with and without. They really needed to make an honor version, even if they were 442 ilvl as long as they had PvP power.

My current offhand is like ilvl 413... it sucks. However, I have well over 1/2 my slots with honor gear now, so I am getting better at surviving, but the damage is still lacking. Right now my ascendance burst will kill a toon in about 3-4 seconds, but it's not a global like Krup. My PvP power is only about 13% so there is lots of room for improvement.

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Originally Posted by Ticks

I don't think so. He's asking when do we stop doing AV & IoC and do the 10 & 15 man BGs. I guess it's typical for boxers to do the 40 man BGs because with little to no gear, we can at least help a little whereas if we go into a 10 or 15 man BG without gear, we're a liability. And I think the answer is until you have enough gear and experience. Enough gear answer is at least be able to '2 shot' the enemy and know how to use your key abilities to survive a mini zerg against your team.

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Yeah, I guess I wasn't clear. Like you said, I was asking when peeps have enough gear that they feel comfortable doing random BGs instead of just grinding honor in AV or IOC. When most of the BGs are 10 mans, and you make up about half the team, lack of gear makes it impossible to win. I'm just hopeful that when I have gear it will be similar to when I was leveling up - as long as I wasn't at a major disadvantage I was demolishing BGs, even 10 mans. Flag carriers never had a chance with the enhancement burst.

Enhance or Ele?

Most definitely enhance. Have you not seen Krup's video? It's the great hope for MOP, in my opinion.

Once I have full honor level gearing in a given season...
I consider running non-AVs.

But AV is still the most fun, so even with full Conquest for a season I play AV the most.
When <The Zerg> want to do IoC 'Turtle Domination', that can be good too.

Eye of the Storm (once honor geared) has to be my highest win percentage battleground, if you don't include premades.
Premade IoC with boxers or premade AV with Rath Strat is an extremely high win percentage.

WSG is likely the best 10-man, once honor geared.
Play on their half of middle.
Farm kills.
But watch for their flag carrier, and intercept as they'll be coming to you.
Make returning the flag a total priority and then go back to farming anything that comes near you.
If your team returns even one flag, you win... otherwise it's a draw.

AB, once honor geared is close to 50/50.
I do best by going to and taking Blacksmith, holding it until it caps.
Then use Path of Frost and smash (recap so you have possession, but don't guard) both Farm and Stables.
Then return to Blacksmith.
You're rather dependent on your teammates for this one, which can suck.
I'm curious how AB would go with three boxers, each at a node.

the powerball one has been fun this weekend. My team has a full blue S12 set now from honor. I run HPriest, HPally, 3Frost DK. I have won most of the powerballs. When getting a quick lead, the other team has been given up pretty fast.

am finding it mega hard to get one win a day normally i get my 100 conquest in the end off luck. but all the bg's i suck in.

to be fair the one i won today was SOTA (that i hate a lot) somehow all my team and there team got suck at a gate fighting each over and trying to "run" into a closed gate? was thinking maybe its bots! but the blue posts says there no bots in wow bg's so i put it down to cats trying to play wow. And moved on slowly

so i went though the other gate and not one player tried to stop me that i was thinking was odd but again its got to be the cats oh yes the cats walking over the keyboard.

then again the 2nd round not one player jumped into a tank to take a gate down they ran to the same stop and started to try running though the closed gate...... in the end someone did get in a tank and started takeing down gates that was not to hard to kill with 5 hunters.

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Originally Posted by ebony

somehow all my team and there team got suck at a gate fighting each over and trying to "run" into a closed gate? Was thinking maybe its bots! But the blue posts says there no bots in wow bg's so i put it down to cats trying to play wow. And moved on slowly

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rofl!

Wait who slipped drugs into my diet Dr. Pepper? Why'd I start laughing?

I love AV and will never leave it! NEVER!

Oh in that case. At what point did I go into 10 man BGs (I did 15s way undergeared but whatever)....

On my DK's, I had 2x Malevolent + 1x Dreadful set pieces, trinkets, rings, cloak, and neck before I'd try that out. I only did it a little and then got my Malevolent 2H weapon. At the moment I'm 3x malevolent, all other dreadful, and 1/2 upgraded weapon and I do any BG I want, preferring 10-15 mans. YMMV based on your comp.

On my Shaman I started doing 10-15 once I had PVP something in every slot (no quest gear). They still suck horribly as elemental and 4x healers in once place doesn't help the team much, so I rerolled.

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Originally Posted by heyaz

Oh in that case. At what point did I go into 10 man BGs (I did 15s way undergeared but whatever)....

On my DK's, I had 2x Malevolent + 1x Dreadful set pieces, trinkets, rings, cloak, and neck before I'd try that out. I only did it a little and then got my Malevolent 2H weapon. At the moment I'm 3x malevolent, all other dreadful, and 1/2 upgraded weapon and I do any BG I want, preferring 10-15 mans. YMMV based on your comp.

On my Shaman I started doing 10-15 once I had PVP something in every slot (no quest gear). They still suck horribly as elemental and 4x healers in once place doesn't help the team much, so I rerolled.

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Enhancement is supposed to be awesome.

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Originally Posted by Multibocks

Enhancement is supposed to be awesome.

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For 15 seconds it's awesome. The rest of the time it's mediocre compared to DK's and a lot of chasing people around instead of gripping them to you, and no good CC. However it's really the only arena viable spec because you can instakill anything once you are geared - DK's can't do that even with all CD's up and obliterate 4x crit, it still falls short of a kill. But the overall uptime of DK's is great and makes them suitable for BGs, world pvp, and everything else.

As I already have 5x melee DPS I went resto on my shaman. As outside of arenas it's 1-3 globals max for 5x DKs to kill, I don't see the point of 4 more melee.


In my tests so far, resto shaman are Insane when stacked. Healing stream totem, the weak one, is 20-40k+ per tick. Healing tide is 45-90k+ per tick. Multiply that by four. Pop ascendance in resto and all healing is duplicated and distributed among the party. With 4 resto shaman you can chain heal for like 1 million, instant cast. 4x greater healing wave with ascendance is a full party lay on hands, probably close with a 10 man raid. I'm still working on my setup with resto healing my DKs but I'm excited about it so far. Besides the healing you have windwalk totem and tremor totem to support the group, and a few other nice tricks :)