Permanently banned, banned and banned..

Okay, this is REALLY getting on my nerves now..

I keep getting randomly permanently banned among my accounts accused for goldselling, of which i ofc have not done.

I'm thinking if there is a program or something that flags and auto ban accounts that deposit and withdraw "too much" gold from the guildbank and/or mailing "too much" gold to eachothers?
The odd thing is that the accounts are all under the same battle.net account, which pisses me off even more..

Can't i even use my OWN farmed gold from my OWN guildbank without getting permanently banned?

Edit: Yes, i have been "permanently banned" before on these accounts and the bans were removed, but that does not make it less annoying when it keeps happening frequently!

How do you guys handle all the gold income/outcome to avoid getting auto banned? :-7

I've traded large sums of gold between my characters for a long time and never been banned. I never used a guild bank to hold gold, so maybe its related to that.

How much gold are we talkin' here?

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Originally Posted by Owltoid

How much gold are we talkin' here?

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Up to maybe 50-60 000, used a lot of gold to level up professions and such. Really want to get heirloom legs for my new team and need 600 of each profession for that.. Sadly the account closure spam lately have prevented me from keeping a good pace.. Wonder if i can request additional gametime added to my account for getting 1-3 days ban every two weeks?

Edit: The gold used have been over intervalls, not just once and all at once, so perhaps thats why this "program" flags my account as a possible goldseller? Taking out 1000 gold here and there and there and here from the guildbank may not be a wise thing to do after all..

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Originally Posted by EaTCarbS

I've traded large sums of gold between my characters for a long time and never been banned. I never used a guild bank to hold gold, so maybe its related to that.

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Does that apply to items too? I was thinking of trying to screw the gold and only mail/withdraw items from the bank and see if that generates a random ban on one or more of the accounts too..

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Originally Posted by Cyphoner

Up to maybe 50-60 000, used a lot of gold to level up professions and such. Really want to get heirloom legs for my new team and need 600 of each profession for that.. Sadly the account closure spam lately have prevented me from keeping a good pace.. Wonder if i can request additional gametime added to my account for getting 1-3 days ban every two weeks?

Edit: The gold used have been over intervalls, not just once and all at once, so perhaps thats why this "program" flags my account as a possible goldseller? Taking out 1000 gold here and there and there and here from the guildbank may not be a wise thing to do after all..

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i use my guild bank for all my gold transaction between toons. I mean that's the main reason I'm not in someone else's guild, I have come to depend on this feature. For me its a lot easier than mailing it back and forth between toons. I have removed and replaced several hundred thousand gold at times. Last month I levels 6 inscriptionists and i burned over 100K leveling them and milling enough herbs to supply them all with a month of Darkmoon Cards each. I have not been banned yet! ( its always in the back of my mind due to threads like this though. )

Just wish they would be more specific in telling what a person actually did wrong to deserve a suspension/ban/account closure - But sometimes i don't think they even know what the person did wrong themselves.. Maybe that's just me?

I use my guild bank for transferring tons of gold, no problems here. I also am pushing close to 500k gold.

If I had to guess I'd say Its possible that since you were banned before the watcher program is being a bit more picky of you. Or you bought/sold one of the duped items on the AH, whether accidental or on purpose they might have done something.

if they told everyone what they were banning for, it would make it so much easier for people to circumvent the rules and avoid detection (and I'm guessing offending accounts are a lot more numerous than innocent ones).

I've transferred 100K from the guild banker, to a new team leader.
And then had that leader transfer 20K to each member of the team, to cover training spells (don't need to anymore), buying glyphs and riding/mounts.

I also transferred 200K, when I was buying mats for the Vial of the Sands x5.

I was the only member of the guild, although I had 40 odd toons in it.
They were across five battle.net emails at that point.

I similarly transferred 100K with my DKs, when I moved them to Magtheridon to join the Zerg.
Most of that is sitting on my AH mule, who is selling whatever greens/blues drop while RAF boosting.
She grumbles, but does transfer enough to the new teams to buy their flying skills...

I have never been suspended or banned in any game I've played.

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Originally Posted by Mokoi

if they told everyone what they were banning for, it would make it so much easier for people to circumvent the rules and avoid detection (and I'm guessing offending accounts are a lot more numerous than innocent ones).

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Probably correct on that one, yes. I guess as long as it actually shut down more cheaters than legitimate players there's a profit and reason to continue that way..

I would really like to see a anonymized version of these ban emails people receive.

Gold figures of 50-60k is pretty small small, I cannot imagine that is significant large for a gold seller.

Did someone by chance ask you how much you would charge for a run through and instance or to farm an item for them? Something like that?

I would ask the next time you are banned to put a note in your account to double check before banning. Unless it's a bot doing it, then you're f'd

Yeeey!

"Greetings,

After a careful investigation of your account closure, we have agreed to remove the permanent suspension of your account from the World of Warcraft servers."

This should keep me going for another 2 weeks before it happends again, if history repeats itself..

Also checked in regards to compensation(additional gametime days) for this since it happends frequently lately, but no, they do not compensate anyone when it comes to suspensions, not even if proven innocent.

You could create a new battle.net account to transfer your characters to. Sure thats costly but you'd still have all your toons and on a nice new account without any previous bans.

I'm assuming that since its only happening to one battle.net account then it cant be addons or programs running on your computer, that account must be flagged as one to watch. Was the original ban for something or was it a mistake as well?

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Originally Posted by JohnGabriel

You could create a new battle.net account to transfer your characters to. Sure thats costly but you'd still have all your toons and on a nice new account without any previous bans.

I'm assuming that since its only happening to one battle.net account then it cant be addons or programs running on your computer, that account must be flagged as one to watch. Was the original ban for something or was it a mistake as well?

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The problem with that is that Blizzard made all exclusive mounts to be bound to battle.net account and no longer character bound. So if i move to another battle.net account i lose all my mounts etc, sadly.

It was the same, accused me for selling gold for real money. Third time now it happends in last month, each time they lifted the ban after having me running rampage at them, lol :)

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Originally Posted by Cyphoner

The problem with that is that Blizzard made all exclusive mounts to be bound to battle.net account and no longer character bound. So if i move to another battle.net account i lose all my mounts etc, sadly.

It was the same, accused me for selling gold for real money. Third time now it happends in last month, each time they lifted the ban after having me running rampage at them, lol :)

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I think if you move the actual wow account over, not just 1 character, the mounts xfer over.

Would like confirmation on this...

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Originally Posted by valkry

I think if you move the actual wow account over, not just 1 character, the mounts xfer over.

Would like confirmation on this...

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That's a no, it's bound to battle.net account, not WoW account.
I have the same mounts on WoW 2,3,4,5 etc. as i do on WoW1. At least that's what they told me on customer support.
They also said that originally it was bound to both character and battle.net account, but this was used for exploitive behavior and they were forced to remove the bound to character part..

I guess too many people had a friend / paid someone to move their character to their account, logged on, benefit from all achievements and mounts, moved the character back..

When MoP launched, I moved a single toon from one bnet to another and the mounts did not transfer. Like a week later i moved an entire acount and the mounts DID transfer. Did they change it since then?

I've had several discussions with different GMs, pretty much all of them told me to transfer larger sums of gold via ingame mail, and they told me to avoid transfering tooooo much at once. I always used 50k chunks, and never received a ban, not even a temp one.
Oh, and I got reported a lot for gold selling/botting, cause I've been in full control of my servers gem market for several years. None of my gold ever left my accounts though, not even to random friends. When I've quit playing and handed large amounts of gems to some friend of mine, I reported myself, explaining why I'm mailing stuff worth 100k+ to someone else. The usual GM answer: "no worries"... :)

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Originally Posted by valkry

I think if you move the actual wow account over, not just 1 character, the mounts xfer over. Would like confirmation on this...

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If you move a character from one account to another, all of the achievements, mounts, and pets stay with the character - who then shares them with every character on the new account.

source = personal experience.

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Originally Posted by EaTCarbS

If you move a character from one account to another, all of the achievements, mounts, and pets stay with the character - who then shares them with every character on the new account.

source = personal experience.

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False, did a transfer and this is in fact not the case, rather what i wrote earlier in this thread remains true.

You could simply consider a battle.net account as a character where you earned all achievements, titles and mounts.
If you move within this battle.net account, i.e moving a character from WoW1 at Bob@bob.com to WoW2 at BoB@bob.com you keep your achievements, mounts and titles.
If you however, move a character from WoW1 at Bob@bob.com to WoW2 at Kim@kim.com then you will not have any related achievements, mounts nor titles, not even if it was originally earned on that specific character.

In short, consider your battle.net account as 1 character that earned the stuff, it stays to that battle.net account.

This was also what Blizzard customer support informed me. Originally you could move characters that earned achievements to other battle.net accounts and they would then earn all that characters stuff, but this was being used for exploits where friends had friends moving back and fourth earning massive amount of achievements, titles and mounts they never really got.

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Hello,

Thank you for the phone call today, it was a pleasure to talk to you.

As you now know, the Battlenet is the one that has the mounts and achievements added to it, not the characters.

So if you move away from the battlenet, you will not take the mounts and titles with you any more. You can move from World of Warcraft account to World of Warcraft account on the same battlenet with no problem though.

Hope that makese sense to you. If you have any other issues you feel we can help you with, feel free to ask for our help and have an AWESOME game :)

Kind regards,

Game Master Gourgetion
Game Master Team

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Originally Posted by Cyphoner

This was also what Blizzard customer support informed me. Originally you could move characters that earned achievements to other battle.net accounts and they would then earn all that characters stuff, but this was being used for exploits where friends had friends moving back and fourth earning massive amount of achievements, titles and mounts they never really got.

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This is exactly what was happening, but some people who transferred stuff around early enough in the expansion got to take advantage of the bug/feature/exploit (however you want to look at it).

Btw ontopic here, called account support earlier and spoke to a really nice person who, luckily enough also work as a gm on account security normally.

Told me the reason i was banned last time was that i withdrew 700 gold from my guildbank(!).
He also told me that this was most likely because the accounts are only a couple of months old and that the system is A LOT more picky then, compared to old accounts, which makes sense, i can imagine goldsellers opening a lot of accounts on a regular basis.
On a good note he also added a note to my account that i am multiboxing and was quite assured, seeing what it says on my account already from the account management that this will not happend again, and spoke to his supervisor, and gave me 4 additional days of gametime!

All in all, a good day!

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Originally Posted by Cyphoner

Told me the reason i was banned last time was that i withdrew 700 gold from my guildbank(!).

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700 or 700k?

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Originally Posted by Klesh

700 or 700k?

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700 only, he actually laughed when he told me.. As did i! :cool:

Very very strange, but well.

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Originally Posted by Cyphoner

Btw ontopic here, called account support earlier and spoke to a really nice person who, luckily enough also work as a gm on account security normally.

Told me the reason i was banned last time was that i withdrew 700 gold from my guildbank(!).
He also told me that this was most likely because the accounts are only a couple of months old and that the system is A LOT more picky then, compared to old accounts, which makes sense, i can imagine goldsellers opening a lot of accounts on a regular basis.
On a good note he also added a note to my account that i am multiboxing and was quite assured, seeing what it says on my account already from the account management that this will not happend again, and spoke to his supervisor, and gave me 4 additional days of gametime!

All in all, a good day!

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Good deal that you got the 4 day credit. Plus you were lucky to get a very knowledgeable CS Rep (with lots of tools available to them).

Phoning up always brings good results.

This is scary to me, let me know if you figure anything else out on why this might be happening so i can avoid making the same mistake! And goodluck man

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Originally Posted by Chivalrous

This is scary to me, let me know if you figure anything else out on why this might be happening so i can avoid making the same mistake! And goodluck man

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Appearently it was due to the accounts being "fresh", so the flag got raised when they took gold from the bank(the ban offense was 700 gold).
So the only advice i can give you is that if you buy a new account, be careful with moving around gold with it.

Thanks for the heads up. :) 2 accounts are old rest are fresh so for now ill have older 2 handle the keys to the vault