So I dinged 85 on my first 5 man team...

Now what? I tried out the Random BG finder (AV was starting to get a little stale, I ended up getting EotS), but my gear is still craptacular, so I'm more of a liability than anything (had enough honor from pvping while leveling to buy them all the shoulders). The team is 5x shaman, but I also have several level 85 tanks (all geared in at least ilvl 346, one is geared in the new heroic gear). Should I swap out my one shaman for a tank and roll through some random normals and then heroics to get gear and badges?

I guess I'm looking for your guys' advice on how to quickly and effectively gear up for PvP and PvE... TIA.

Well first of all you need to slow down and breathe.

Then lets move on.

So you want to PvP, but you get dominated and you don't want to farm BG's.
A) Gather mats/ farm or buy the crafted pvp set.
B) Run regular dungeons/ or heroic for badges
C) Tol Barad
D) Run one or two characters at a time

So you want to PvE, but you get dominated and dont want to farm BG's
A) Gather mats/ farm or buy the crafted PvE/PvP set.
B) Run regular dungeons/ or heroic for badges
C) Tol barad
D)Run one or two characters at a time

Basically you need to have fun with this. If you aren't comfortable with what you are doing then practice a little more.

If still you don't feel comfortable enough, then drop a toon for a while and keep plugging.

Grats on the DING! :)

The only way is too buy gear or craft yourself if you can afford it
No real instant way

Some people craft pvp gear and jump into raid finder that way.

Hit some normals, then some easier heroics, relax, enjoy it, it will all fall into place with some patience.

I was wondering the same thing, having recently dinged my first level 85 multiboxing group.

I can never find leather items on the AH, so my rogue/druid still have really bad gear and their DPS is sad.

Is there crafted PVE gear for plate/leather/cloth? Most of the blue gear I find on the AH has resiliance and haste or something, completely worthless stats for instance grinding.

having resil isnt that bad.

As long as you have the core stat values. Stam Agi and hit rating are the basics for dps. crit and mast are great, but if you are not hit capped nothing matters.

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Originally Posted by d0z3rr

I can never find leather items on the AH, so my rogue/druid still have really bad gear and their DPS is sad.

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Heh, I had the same problem with my paladin group: leather and chain dropped all over the place, with very little plate. :p Conspiracy, I tellz you!

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Originally Posted by Peli

Now what?

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One team down, many to go!

I'd consider running dailies, as a team to let you "buy" alchemy on each of them.
And would recommend leveling a few more teams, and also doing alchemy on those.
The passive income is much larger earlier in an expansion or content patch, but it still is consistent gold much better than farming.

As far as PvP goes...
You can buy the starter/crafted sets, if you like.
Or put up with an honor grind without much gear.
Stick to AV, except if it is IoC weekend.
The larger BG's (AV / IoC) are best for gearing up; the smaller ones are much more punishing.
Once you have mostly full Honor gear (3/4's or so), you can add in EotS and AB (on their bonus honor weekends) or stick with AV.

Why does everyone say to get alchemy?

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Originally Posted by traedoril

Why does everyone say to get alchemy?

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to cash in on transmutes

Why must we call it a DING!?

It's more of a Fawoooosh-Doooong anyways.

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So I Fawoooosh-Doooonged 85 on my first 5 man team...

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i like it

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Originally Posted by Ualaa

One team down, many to go!

I'd consider running dailies, as a team to let you "buy" alchemy on each of them.
And would recommend leveling a few more teams, and also doing alchemy on those.
The passive income is much larger earlier in an expansion or content patch, but it still is consistent gold much better than farming.
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Ualla, what level do you need to have Alchemy at to make it worth while?
Secondly, how do you suggest making money with Alchemy? Buy what and then transmute into what?

When my priests hit 85 I tried queuing as a team, but this late in the expansion and with limited resil (sub 1000), I just got destroyed. Instead I queued and unless it was AV/IoC, I only took one or two in. It may seem slower to gear the team this way, but if you consider that bgs usually follow a 50/50 win loss regardless of your participation, it turns out to be much faster than losing on the whole team.

In between the bgs, participate in TB and do the Grizzly Hills dailies. 250 honor of the course of the week is almost a piece of gear and is much faster than the time it take to do a battleground. I started queuing as a team when I hit 2500k resilience and was able to contribute to the game.

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Originally Posted by Xraptorx

what level do you need to have Alchemy at to make it worth while?

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Usually you level up your professions to the level of the current content. Most people aren't buying level 70 stuff when they're
level 85.

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Originally Posted by Xraptorx

Ualla, what level do you need to have Alchemy at to make it worth while?
Secondly, how do you suggest making money with Alchemy? Buy what and then transmute into what?

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If your toons are at least level 75, you can have the same skill cap as a level 85 character.
I believe that is 525 currently.

I think "Transmute Elements" is 450 skill.
It's somewhere around that area, maybe 475.
Once you reach the point where you can learn that skill, you don't need to do anything else for the alchemy.
Transmute Elements will take you to 520 skill, before it greys out and won't take you further.

Transmute Elements takes 15 Volatile Life (the cheapest Volatile), and changes it to another type of Volatile.
If you do the spell in Hyjal, you get Fire always.
If you do the spell in Uldum, you get Air always.
If you do the spell in the Water zone, you get Water always.
If you do the spell in the Underground zone, you get Earth always.
Anywhere else, and you get a random element.
If you're Transmute spec'd, the "proc" or "extra" stuff is random irregardless of where you do the transmute.
Air is usually the most expensive of the Volatiles.

Ideally you park 4 of your 5 toons, at the summoning stone for Vortex Pinnacle.
The fifth toon is on the same account as your AH mule, and is bound in Stormwind or Orgrimmar.
The AH toon buys 75 Life for each team, and mails that to the AH account toon, who is in SW/Org.
That toon receives the instant (same account) mail.
The other toons at the Summoning Stone, summon the toon there.
You distribute the Life to the others.
Do the transmute.
Collect the results.
And hearth back to SW/Org.
Then mail the results back to your AH toon.
Log the team off, and log on the next batch > Rinse & Repeat.

I did this procedure with 37 alchemy toons, for most of 4.0.3 through 4.1, basically a 3 month period.
With that many alchemy toons, the process was around 45 minutes a day.
I'd then use Auctionator, to post Volatile Air in 5's, 10's, 20's, 50's, 100's, 200's, 500's and 1000's.
Over time, I would gradually accumulate more Air than I was selling... but taking a few days off from transmutes would allow the surplus to sell.
Auctionator can set posting guidelines, things like default time, maximum amount (if no one else is selling it), undercut amount (I had this set to 1 copper), minimum amount (how low you'll pricewar to, until the addon reverts to maximum amount).
I set minimum time, so my stock would become available sooner for reposting... and also for a lower auction fee.
Initially I would cancel and repost; after a while, I'd just repost and leave the initial auctions up to expire on their own.
Roughly 5 minutes at a time, spaced three or four times through the day... log in, and post your auctions (which undercut the current lowest price).
Overall, an hour a day to maybe an hour and ten minutes.

Ideally, you monitor the price of Volatile Life.
And buy in bulk, when it is cheap.
You don't really want to buy or sell, until you have an idea of what things are going for.
I had a few people who would send me "x" Volatile Life, CoD in the mail system.
That was easy and steady supply.

To give you an idea of the potential...
I entered the expansion with 250K gold.
I power leveled my alchemy immediately, while herbs were insanely priced.
I also purchased the PvP starter sets and 5 crafted weapons for two different teams early in the expansion while things were expensive.
That put me a little under 100K gold.
The alchemy brought me up to the 600K range.
I also bought Vial of the Sands x5, for my Pally / DK team, which was 200K.
Factoring that in, and three months of an hour a day equated to 700,000 gold.
That's not religiously doing transmutes every day (but I did them most days), nor is it constantly watching the AH to always be the cheapest priced seller of Volatiles..

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Originally Posted by Sajuuk

Why must we call it a DING!?

It's more of a Fawoooosh-Doooong anyways.

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gonna make a macro out of that and click it every time i level up from now on:)