Kicked Out Of Revenant Before The Game Releases

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10-25-2011, 07:03 PM
pinotnoir

Kicked Out Of Revenant Before The Game Releases

I am not sure what you have to do to stay in this guild. I applied and posted an introduction on their forums. I get this email today. What does one have to do in order to stay active in a game that is not released? If this is how the guild operates count me out. I would urge everyone else to bail as well. If they are kicking people out before the game releases, just think of how it will be when you actually play the game.

Here is some advice for the leaders of Revenant. Don't promote your guild here to get boxers to join if you plan on booting them out before the game is released.

Quote:

Hello,

I am emailing you because you have past your 2 week trial period, but we
haven't heard back from you. We will be moving your app to denied.
However if you decide to come back, please copy and repost your app. We
will have to review you for the two weeks again. Hope to hear from you!

-RivaCom
10-25-2011, 07:14 PM
MiRai

Quote:

Originally Posted by pinotnoir

If this is how the guild operates count me out. I would urge everyone else to bail as well. If they are kicking people out before the game releases, just think of how it will be when you actually play the game.

You should probably wait to hear what the explanation is before you start telling everyone to jump ship.
Seeing as you're the first one to report this and you weren't the first one to be accepted into Revenant, I
can only guess that there was some sort of slip up. People are human and mistakes can be made.
10-25-2011, 07:43 PM
pinotnoir

Today is not a good day for me. If it's an error I will give them a pass. If not then my suggestion holds.
10-25-2011, 08:11 PM
pinotnoir

WTF? Do they know the game is not out yet?

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I do understand people have other things going on in their life. But
checking into the forums once a week isn't much to ask. Many guilds make
you sign in daily, we are just asking you to check in once in a while.
Your two week recruitment was up, but there was no way for us to tell if
your still with us or not. You obviously check email daily, same thing
goes with the guild site. Hopefully this isn't too much to ask.
10-25-2011, 08:25 PM
Apps

Say what!?! Yanno? I was JUST thinking to myself last week " where's Pinot? But I knew you were here, cause I read you stuff.

I "get" what Rivas saying, however, I think there's a stronger argument in your position. What if you were on vacation?

Hmm I hope you don't think this too forward, but I gotta ask Riva about this. It's a damn video game.
10-25-2011, 08:33 PM
pinotnoir

It helps if the game is out and we are all playing. WTF is someone suppose to do until they can actually play the game and take part in activities? This is a huge red flag. I have no idea if fellow boxers run this. Or it could be someone who wanted to take advantage of boxers desire to play together in order to develop a guild. If they plan on being this strict when the game is in beta you can bet it will be a pain in the ass once it's released.
10-25-2011, 08:46 PM
MiRai
In all of my experiences with "gaming" communities they expect you to be part of the crew, regardless of
what is going on and don't let you just sit idle as a stranger. At least Revenant didn't expect you to hang
out on Ventrilo or play other games with the community in this downtime prior to the game's release.

All gaming communities want you all to get to know each other long before the game's launch so that
everyone is friendly with each other. You're supposed to be a family of sorts and I can see why they do
that. They want people to be comfortable with one another and it helps them weed out people they may
not want in the family.

For example, I was really looking forward to joining a hardcore gaming community prior to TERA's U.S.
release, however, they wanted all kinds of commitment prior to the game's launch and it just wasn't
something I was willing to put forth prior to the that. They expected their members to play games like CoD
and BF2 with them as well as hang out on Ventrilo a few times a week to just chat and that's just not what
I was looking to do although they required it if I was going to be a member.

It's why I don't tend to join communities too far in advance prior to the game's actual launch.

As for attempting to tarnish Revenant's name and telling everyone else to "jump ship" well, I don't think
that's fair at all. They do state in their guild charter (which everyone technically agrees to when they sign
up) that they expect people to stay active even if you're not currently playing a game at that time with
them:
Quote:
Originally Posted by Revenant Gaming Guild Charter

Try to participate in the guild as much as possible. We understand not everyone will be playing every game. But jump on voice chat, or post on the forums. We like to know your still with us.
If you are going to be away for a long time, please post something in the forums. Otherwise we will just label you as a deactivated member.
10-25-2011, 09:04 PM
pinotnoir

I posted an introduction on the member forums. Not sure what else I can do until we actually play the game. Once the game is out I will be active every day. They should understand this. Most boxers are adults. I am 39 years old and work 24 hour shifts as a fire fighter. I also run my own retail store. I don't have time to chat on the forums once per week until the game releases. I have no problem participating in a guild if the game was out. If they had told many of us who joined that we would be kicked out if we don't post on the forums every week I bet most of us would never have joined. I think its rude to come to these forums and recruit us only to boot us if we don't post weekly on their forums. I could understand if the game was out when I applied and never showed up.

I am not tarnishing their name. People need to know what they are getting into. Otherwise, they could be the next member on the chopping block. If people are cool with being kicked out like I was then by all means join up. What pisses me off is most of my guild has joined. So if I want to play with my guild members of WOW I need to play on the same server of the guild who kicked me out. And they said leave drama at the door. They shouldn't start drama and it wouldn't need to be left at the door. Today is not a good day.
10-25-2011, 09:12 PM
Esca

I hate drama and avoiding it is actually one of the reasons I multibox, but in this case I simply have to say:

/agree 100% pinotnoir
10-25-2011, 09:19 PM
rivaCom

I figured I come in and defend Revenant a little.

First off Pinotnoir, I have no bad blood with anyone here. I'm not sure what you were confused about from the start and I have offered to work out anything that seems confusing. When you app, you agree to our charter. Again I'm not asking for you to be on every hour on the hour. But it's almost been a month from your initial post, when we ask for you to check in so we know your still interested, I don't think this is a wild request.

Second, You keep stating that the game is still yet to be released... So wouldn't this be the opposite of what your saying? You don't interact with the guild at all, why not interact until you can get in game with them? We have plenty of people who have plenty to say. We post new information about the game daily, and have plenty of stuff to decide on as a guild. I do think maybe you haven't been in a Guild run like this, but without structure things can get messy.

As always, I'm willing to listen to anyone's side of the story.
10-25-2011, 09:32 PM
pinotnoir

Quote:

Originally Posted by rivaCom

I figured I come in and defend Revenant a little.

First off Pinotnoir, I have no bad blood with anyone here. I'm not sure what you were confused about from the start and I have offered to work out anything that seems confusing. When you app, you agree to our charter. Again I'm not asking for you to be on every hour on the hour. But it's almost been a month from your initial post, when we ask for you to check in so we know your still interested, I don't think this is a wild request.

Second, You keep stating that the game is still yet to be released... So wouldn't this be the opposite of what your saying? You don't interact with the guild at all, why not interact until you can get in game with them? We have plenty of people who have plenty to say. We post new information about the game daily, and have plenty of stuff to decide on as a guild. I do think maybe you haven't been in a Guild run like this, but without structure things can get messy.

As always, I'm willing to listen to anyone's side of the story.

Look at your post count and look at mine here. I only joined this guild because it was posted here. Many of my guild members joined it thinking we are all planning on playing swtor together. Who are you and why was this guild started? Do you even have ties to dual-boxing.com or did you use this community to fill your guild ranks? I want to play with fellow boxers. The main reason why I want to do that is boxers are not into the Gestapo style guild operations. We box to avoid that crap. Your charter does not specify members must post weekly before the game is released to stay in good standing.

I am not sure how old you are or what your occupation is. As I explained, I work 24hr shifts every 3rd day as a Firefighter and run my own retail store. I am 39 years old and don't have time for idle chat on some forums of a game that has not started yet. I have real issues to deal with like keeping my business from going bankrupt and saving lives. I am not 15 years old living at home with nothing to do but chat on forums about a game I have not even played yet. I hope you can understand that. We are not kids here.
10-25-2011, 09:46 PM
rivaCom

Again I'm not sure where your anger comes from. Many of your fellow Multi-boxing team mates visit the site daily and have no problem having a friendly chat.

Yet again you claim I'm telling you to do it daily... This is incorrect. I am telling you to do it once in a while. Once a month is not that bad. Again compared to many guilds you will join, our recruitment is cake.

My ties to the DB community? We'll Crum was a fellow co-worker about a year ago, we asked him if he'd be interested in a SWTOR Guild, he was and had the idea to invite other DB members to join the guild. We didn't force you to put an application in.

Last, why do you assume I'm some young kid? Want to know about me? I'm 27, I live in Central New York, I work in IT Doing everything from Disaster Recovery, Networking, VMWare Administration, Ipad Development, Mobile Phone Management for a company with offices all over the world. I am married and have a almost 2 year old son and 3 dogs. I come home and spend time with my family, and when I have a second I like to watch the Buffalo Sabres play and work on other Websites I have in development. I don't live with my parents and I don't live in a basement, I've earned my own for a long time and proud of it.

Last, for the 10th time I ask you. Isn't a game not being released, make you want to know a guild that you know nothing about a little more? Don't you feel like you'd be left out not knowing who anyone is come release? What if we change roles or server pre launch? How would you know?
10-25-2011, 09:56 PM
pinotnoir

Quote:

I do understand people have other things going on in their life. But
checking into the forums once a week isn't much to ask. Many guilds make
you sign in daily, we are just asking you to check in once in a while.
Your two week recruitment was up, but there was no way for us to tell if
your still with us or not. You obviously check email daily, same thing
goes with the guild site. Hopefully this isn't too much to ask.

I already know most of the people in the guild from this website and my Wow guild. I never assumed you were a kid. I stated that I am not some 15 year old with nothing to do. My anger comes from being denied because someone feels I have not made enough idle chat post on the forums for a game that is not out yet. When it gets closer to release I will be more active. Right now its months away. You should let people know who join that they must post more than once every 23 days or they will get the boot. It's your guild so kick people out if you want. For all I know this game may suck which will make this whole issue a moot point.
10-25-2011, 10:05 PM
rivaCom

To each their own. I am not going to beg anyone to join. I want people to join that will enjoy the community we have started. Both DB members and Solo players.

I don't think this deems a negative thread on Revenant, however if it makes things easier for people, I will add an additional line stating please check in after your 2 week trial period is up.

Pinotnoir, Like I stated before, I have no bad blood so feel free to check out Revenant if you would still like to. But I am not going to continue to beat a dead horse here. GL to you either way.
10-25-2011, 10:10 PM
pinotnoir

Quote:

Originally Posted by rivaCom

To each their own. I am not going to beg anyone to join. I want people to join that will enjoy the community we have started. Both DB members and Solo players.

I don't think this deems a negative thread on Revenant, however if it makes things easier for people, I will add an additional line stating please check in after your 2 week trial period is up.

Pinotnoir, Like I stated before, I have no bad blood so feel free to check out Revenant if you would still like to. But I am not going to continue to beat a dead horse here. GL to you either way.

Your telling me to check in after you just kicked me out? How are you begging me to join after I get application denied emails from you stating I have not posted enough? I am not sure what you have been smoking. Additionally, I am confused about checking in when I made 4 post on the forums since my application. When did I ever request to leave? You sent me the email saying I was denied. You kick me out then say your not going to beg me to join? WTF? My next post will be 1337.
10-25-2011, 10:18 PM
rivaCom

You made 4 posts in 2 days, and left for a month. I'm not begging for anything, if you think I am in the wrong, you don't have to be a part of Revenant. But you are the Only person having a problem with this.
10-25-2011, 10:27 PM
Esca

Quote:

Originally Posted by rivaCom

But you are the Only person having a problem with this.

No, he's not the only one. My post count may be low, but I've been around these forums about as long as pinotnoir and I have a problem with it too. As pinotnoir eloquently stated, this type of Gestapo power tripping by guild officers is what drives many of us to multibox.

rivaCom, you might have friends who multibox, but you don't know multiboxers.
10-25-2011, 10:29 PM
pinotnoir

Quote:

Originally Posted by rivaCom

You made 4 posts in 2 days, and left for a month. I'm not begging for anything, if you think I am in the wrong, you don't have to be a part of Revenant. But you are the Only person having a problem with this.

My last post was Oct 2. Today is Oct 25. Could it be the reason I am the only person having a problem with this is because I just received a denied email from you? Do you think if I did not want to play this game with my friends I would not have emailed you right after I received the email and posted all this? This was unexpected and wrong.

There are two options to this. One, You retract your denied application and I forget this happened. Two, stick to your denied application and I do my best to get my Legion of Boom mates to find another server who will appreciate us. Lot's of people from my guild joined yours and this bs is standing in the way of me joining them in swtor. So singling me out really chaps my ass. I have played with some of those guys for years. I am sure you would feel the same way if you invested years with a community, and some person who does not even take part in it singles you out for removal while your friends are included. Let me know your decision.
10-25-2011, 10:37 PM
rivaCom

Haven't singled you out from anything. Let me get one thing straight, Revenant isn't a DB community, it is a gaming community with people who like to DB.

That being said, like I said before. I'm more than willing to work anything out. I wouldn't call this a power trip, I'm not saying I don't want you back. But I am not going to beg someone who has had every chance to talk things over.

I have altered the Guild Charter to include checking in on the 2 week trial date. After, we ask you to check in if you wish to be "part of the community" , there is plenty going on with or without a released game. The door is wide open, and had never been locked. The choice is yours.
10-25-2011, 10:48 PM
MiRai

I think this thread is about done and any further Revenant issues should be directly addressed on the
Revenant forums or in a PM.

Good day to you all.