Season 10 honor gear ...

(edit obv. meant s10)

I'm stunned. Spend the past week farming vicious gear on alts, now I can start all over again. To be clear: ilvl 365 gear will be removed from vendor, it's replaced by 371 who have same looks but upgraded stats. In order to buy the 372 weapons, you'll need to farm 18k honor points. This is ridiculous ...

The Season 9 set was removed today. The items available for purchase with Honor Points are now considered lower tier Season 10 items. They are still the same items from Season 9 in terms of aesthetics, but the item level and stats are slightly higher to ensure that the Season 10 honor gear has the correct item level relative to the Season 10 conquest gear.

It's likely this is how things will work going forward and we'll be sure to make that more clear when the next season transition takes place.

New basic transition flow:

1) Season X ends and rated play is unavailable; Season X gear becomes available for purchase with HP; CP is wiped.
2) One week later Season Y starts and rated play is available; Season X gear is removed entirely; Season Y introduces a low tier of items which replace Season X vendor items and are available for HP; Season Y introduces the new top items available for CP and rated play.

What ilvl is the non 2200 conquest stuff?

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Originally Posted by Multibocks

What ilvl is the non 2200 conquest stuff?

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384 off pieces 385 regular

Sweet Jesus ;)

They did this so people will have to grind out new honor gear instead of sitting in full conquest of the prior season and not having to do any bg's. It's just another way to make the game the world of grind craft.


With this new change there is no reason to arena or rated bg for conquest gear. At the end of the season the honor gear will be better than all your arena gear. Why waste the time grinding for gear that will be replaced by honor at the end? The only reason to arena now is for the title and slightly better weapons if you can hit 2200+. Otherwise you may as well just use the honor gear until the new honor gear is out.

Exept if you dont have a good time in arena. The reason i se is if you enjoy playing it, seams like you start to dont? :P

This is a really shitty thing they've done. I started the season late and spent the past week filling out my priest to make sure I'd be able to catch up for this week. Now they pull this? It's fucking bullshit and I'm really tired of it. This may be what causes me to not resub.

I realize it'll likely not happen, but I put this in tonight:
http://www.cataclysmfiredept.com/ima...511_232720.jpg

Amafuckingad!! Farmed like 15-20 k honor this week, and they pull this crap! Any1 gotten their freshly farmed vicious gear taken back in return of honor?!

Why would they ever give back honor when they have devcided to do like this? Not even worth a try im affraid :( Still if its just a minor upgrade, id be happy to have blizzard makeing me farm more gear, in the end its the rewards that matters. I cant immagine sitting on full gear whole season and just get upgrades from arena, seasm... booring. People have done gladiator in blue gears before, should still work.

I know this sucks, and I as well grinded out a ton of honor over the weekend. Got all 5 toons full S9 + weps in preps for S10. I even had about 2500honor before I stoppled last night, I was trying to cap out at 4k.

One way to look at it -- you are just out 4k honor. If they didn't keep. You still need the grind the honor out in the next few weeks before you can buy the S10 weps anyways.

On the bright side, with the S9 gear, I think I went 8-4 in arenas tonight. Much better than the last 2 weeks when I was in blues.

But yes, Bliz should have given a better heads up in the 4.2 patch notes, I mean, WTF.

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Originally Posted by Acidburning

I know this sucks, and I as well grinded out a ton of honor over the weekend. Got all 5 toons full S9 + weps in preps for S10. I even had about 2500honor before I stoppled last night, I was trying to cap out at 4k.

One way to look at it -- you are just out 4k honor. If they didn't keep. You still need the grind the honor out in the next few weeks before you can buy the S10 weps anyways.

On the bright side, with the S9 gear, I think I went 8-4 in arenas tonight. Much better than the last 2 weeks when I was in blues.

But yes, Bliz should have given a better heads up in the 4.2 patch notes, I mean, WTF.

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I'm not really mad that I lost my 4K saved up honor. I'm more irked that we weren't informed so I wasted my time last week to grind out gear on two of my teams. Not only that, because like everyone else, I assumed this would be the final version of the honor gear, it only made sense, so I went ahead and spent ~20k gold on gemming/enchanting/reforging. It really wasn't okay to pull this over on their playerbase. They bait and switched us and it's not okay to say "Sorry, we'll let you know next time" and leave it at that.

I firmly believe that if they don't do something, anything even, to remedy this, they'll lose a large chunk of subscribers, at least from the PvP community. They're already in some pretty hot water for several Season 9 shenanigans, including MMR exploiting.

I'm curious to see what their final word will be on this, and whether they'll take any action.

I actually didn't do any BGs this weekend as I was level my mage team. Got them from level 59 to 73, not bad.

I thought I would regret not taking part in AV - it was very tempting and my entire guild was having fun and begging me to go!

However, I was damn determined to level my mage ASAP. Then Blizzard does this and I'm stunned.

I'm sitting on 4K honor and 4K JP, so I can upgrade a lot of my gear.


@Acid,

I ran into your team tonight. This is my team
http://us.battle.net/wow/en/arena/fi.../Death%20Wave/

Were you playing all 5?

It's annoying, and it sucks, but it's not THAT big of a deal. The difference in the new gear is negligible. Granted, if we had known, most of us would have capped out at 4k honor and waited until today to buy their stuff, and a lot of people would have tried to work the system constantly buying back and selling gear to float above the 4k cap. I love AV weekend, so I farmed my gear and had a ton of fun doing it, so I don't feel too bad that my gear is 5 iLvl below what is available today.

I myself plan on upgrading the gear anyway to the season 10 full stuff, as the weekly conquest points pour in. Wow is a game about upgrading gear, always has been, always will be. Get used to it or you might be better off looking at other games.

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Originally Posted by daviddoran

It's annoying, and it sucks, but it's not THAT big of a deal. The difference in the new gear is negligible. Granted, if we had known, most of us would have capped out at 4k honor and waited until today to buy their stuff, and a lot of people would have tried to work the system constantly buying back and selling gear to float above the 4k cap. I love AV weekend, so I farmed my gear and had a ton of fun doing it, so I don't feel too bad that my gear is 5 iLvl below what is available today.

I myself plan on upgrading the gear anyway to the season 10 full stuff, as the weekly conquest points pour in. Wow is a game about upgrading gear, always has been, always will be. Get used to it or you might be better off looking at other games.

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It's not about upgrading gear, it's about upgrading gear and then having to upgrade it again the following week due to lack of communication. It was a fairly important change and should have been detailed in the patch notes.

I'm by no means furious about it, I had fun in battlegrounds the past week too. However, that doesn't really change the slap to the face they just gave to a large chunk of their playerbase.

Crap... Guess I gotta figure out which BG is on for this weekend and farm again.

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Originally Posted by atrocious

crap... Guess i gotta figure out which bg is on for this weekend and farm again.

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wsg

Wsg is nice, pritty much 90% winrate in it with my 4 DKS when i bring a healer friend :)

Upgraded my 5 mages to full vicious last weekend :(
Now I'm somewhat happy that I went with cheap gems and almost no enchants but still see a noticeable increase in dps and res. Will probably keep it that way until the next AV weekend hits and upgrade once more.

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wsg

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I died a little when I saw that. I hate WSG. Especially since I don't want the abuse for multiboxing, so I only single box wsg. Might try to do a bit with my priest or pally single boxing tho.

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Originally Posted by daanji

@Acid,

I ran into your team tonight. This is my team
http://us.battle.net/wow/en/arena/fi.../Death%20Wave/

Were you playing all 5?

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OMG, I was wondering if that boxer was going to be on DB.

Yars, I am all 5. I did terrible against you. Up until that point I was 6-0, I was getting a lil' excited about getting the 10-0 hot streak, lol.

When I saw 4DKS 1Pally pop up on Gladius, I didn't even know what to do to counter.

haha, it must have sucked for other people, 2+ boxers queing up last night, same comp. haha

http://i.imgur.com/uWqM3.gif

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Originally Posted by daviddoran

It's annoying, and it sucks, but it's not THAT big of a deal. The difference in the new gear is negligible.

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I think that this is true. One person was complaining that it was a 6% difference, and that it was huge. Another person crunched the actual numbers for 12 pieces for (I think) a DPS warrior, and the difference was about the equivalent of... a bracer. An ilevel 316 bracer, to be precise. It was kind of underwhelming, to be honest.

There are a few other things to consider:

1- This last couple of weeks were handled in an awfully sloppy manner by Blizzard. First, they do the conquest/honor conversion a week before they had planned, and lots of players got left hanging. Then they make this recent switch without warning, leaving players feeling as if they wasted their time. It's just a terrible way to manage your game. I don't think that I had ever felt that Blizzard took its players for granted until this past two weeks.

2- I'm not much of a grinder, in that I have my limits and I respect them. I earned enough honor over the weekend to upgrade around eight items, and could have gotten the rest. But there is only so much grinding I can handle, so I stopped. Since it was AV weekend, I was able to get more upgrades for the time spent. But I'm not feeling as bad as others are because I didn't force myself to play past the point where it was no longer fun.

3- Which points to (yet another) problem with how Blizzard handles PVP. In spite of any methods they use to try and slow the progression of gear in PVP, players know that they can grind out full sets in a short time and thus they do so. So when a screw up like this happens, a lot of players feel it. Telling them that it's their own fault doesn't make matters any better. Still...

4- This points to a problem with players, as well. Many players are angry because they insist that their full set of i365 gear is "OBSOLETE." That's because they feel that now, other players will grind out 371 gear and they'll be behind the curve. Well now, two things: one, the difference in gear is small, you're not losing arena games because the other guy had an extra bracer's worth of stats. Two, if Blizzard hadn't done this, you'd have had an edge because you decided to grind out a full set before the other guy did, at which point you'd be telling him to "suck it up."

5- And finally, another reason I'm not too upset with this for my own sake: I don't run arenas, and I have not run RBGs yet (though a guildie is looking to start a group for that this week). So this change doesn't hurt me much. And frankly, I would guess that more than 75% of the people crying on the WOW forums aren't doing arenas or RBGs either. I checked the profiles of some of the people complaining, and they had zero RBG rating and no arena teams. So they're pissed that their vanity gear says "365" instead of "371." Because it's not going to make a difference when you run normal BGs and daily quests, which is what they'll be doing with their epic PVP set.

So to summarize: Blizzard royally fucked players over the past two weeks. Lots of players have a legit beef over this. Lots of other players are complaining because that's what they always do, but this change won't make any difference to them.

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Originally Posted by daviddoran

It's annoying, and it sucks, but it's not THAT big of a deal. The difference in the new gear is negligible

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I think that this is true. One person was complaining that it was a 6% difference, and that it was huge. Another person crunched the actual numbers for 12 pieces for (I think) a DPS warrior, and the difference was about the equivalent of... a bracer. An ilevel 316 bracer, to be precise. It was kind of underwhelming, to be honest.

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Just did the math for my ele shaman who was full vicious. Used wowhead -> compare items and compared 365 piece with it's 'new' 371 counterpart. Did Total Sum with and without weapons.

http://i53.tinypic.com/ilku8o.jpg

Reality is that when you play with the 371 gear that you play with an extra 'bracer' as you described, or any extra item slot. Minimizing that difference means that you also minimize the difference between tier 1 and 2200 weapons in a season,

The difference between 365 vs 371 gear is bigger than the difference in previous season between 359 and 372 (2200) weapons. And generally those weapons are considered as 'making a huge difference'.

I find the difference quite huge myself, and definitely worth farming before jumping in arena. If you compare a player with and without the 371 gear, it's not only the increased damage, but also increased health pool and opponent healer who have to heal more. It's like increasing your pay check and decreasing the rent at the same time.

I really don't get where all this fuzz is about. New season = new gear. Always happens. So you know that if you farm the weekend before the new season starts, new gear will be availible in a couple of days. Now instead of releasing new gear, they upped the stats on the old one.

So where is all the fuzz about really? I guess normally you can't buy the new sets with honor?

Positive thoughts - I'm going to get a ton of maelstrom crystals out of the old set!

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Originally Posted by Littleburst

I really don't get where all this fuzz is about. New season = new gear. Always happens. So you know that if you farm the weekend before the new season starts, new gear will be availible in a couple of days. Now instead of releasing new gear, they upped the stats on the old one.

So where is all the fuzz about really? I guess normally you can't buy the new sets with honor?

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Since you are a dutchie i'll explain it slow and gentle:

In previous season: 352 was honor (random bg's) gear, 365 conquest (arena, rated bg's).
Withe 4.2 they made 365 available for honor.
Yesterday they changed their mind, removed the 365 gear from the game and replaced it with better itemized 371 gear, also available from honor.
Yesterday the new conquest gear, with ilvl 384 was also released.

So people were under the assumption that last week 365 was the gear to farm for alts, or for mains who were missing pieces from the previous season. But blizzard basically removed the gear from the previous season and replaced it with a new line of honor gear, together with a new line of arena gear.

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Originally Posted by zenga

Since you are a dutchie i'll explain it slow and gentle:

In previous season: 352 was honor (random bg's) gear, 365 conquest (arena, rated bg's).
Withe 4.2 they made 365 available for honor.
Yesterday they changed their mind, removed the 365 gear from the game and replaced it with better itemized 371 gear, also available from honor.
Yesterday the new conquest gear, with ilvl 384 was also released.

So people were under the assumption that last week 365 was the gear to farm for alts, or for mains who were missing pieces from the previous season. But blizzard basically removed the gear from the previous season and replaced it with a new line of honor gear, together with a new line of arena gear.

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the 365 gear is still availible at vendor in orgrimmar?
The 371 gear is sold in dalaran for the same costs I think, which has no requirement either?

Oh and I farmed a full vicious set the last week. all 365. Knowing that atleast neck/cloak/wrist/belt/feet/rings/trink would be upgraded in a week, since new season = better gear availible.

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Originally Posted by Littleburst

the 365 gear is still availible at vendor in orgrimmar?
The 371 gear is sold in dalaran for the same costs I think, which has no requirement either?

Oh and I farmed a full vicious set the last week. all 365. Knowing that atleast neck/cloak/wrist/belt/feet/rings/trink would be upgraded in a week, since new season = better gear availible.

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Orgrimmar vendor is bugged iin eu. Should be fixed soon (i hope), can go to tanaris(?) in ghadgetzantezananananananonanenenanannen (or something)

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Originally Posted by Acidburning

OMG, I was wondering if that boxer was going to be on DB.

Yars, I am all 5. I did terrible against you. Up until that point I was 6-0, I was getting a lil' excited about getting the 10-0 hot streak, lol.

When I saw 4DKS 1Pally pop up on Gladius, I didn't even know what to do to counter.

haha, it must have sucked for other people, 2+ boxers queing up last night, same comp. haha

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Haha, yeah. I saw 4 DKs + Holy Pally pop on my gladius and told my partner to blow everything or we would lose.

I managed to kill your Paladin right off the bat - got caught in my arcane torrent spam.

I was 8 - 0 after that match, but got a losing streak right after and logged for the night.

This is the second time I've faced another boxer in 5s. The first time is was 4 DKs + Priest in full Vicious and I only had 1/2 Vicious. I lost two toons right off the bat, but managed to pull off a win.

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Originally Posted by Littleburst

the 365 gear is still availible at vendor in orgrimmar?

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Nope, it's gone.

What bugged players is that this was a change from the way they normally do it, which was compounded by the recent screw up with the conquest-->honor conversion. Based on a blue post from yesterday, it was supposed to go like this:

1- A week before the new season, conquest would be converted to honor and allowed to go over the honor cap of 4,000. Season 9 conquest gear would be made buyable with honor.

2- When the new season began, all previous season's gear would be removed and replaced with new honor/conquest gear, and any remaining honor past the 4,000 cap would be converted to gold.

3- Thus, players who were building up conquest points during the previous season would have been able to buy any pieces that they had missed for the previous season, and everyone would start farming honor/conquest for the new items.

What actually happened was this:

1- A week before the new season, conquest points were converted to honor and any points over the 4,000 cap were converted to gold.

2- Season 9 conquest gear was made buyable by honor the weekend before the new season. Four days later, the new season went live and season 9 gear was replaced by season 10 gear.

3- Thus, players who were building up conquest points during the previous season lost the opportunity to cash in those points for gear before the reset. They (and other players) farmed up honor during AV weekend figuring to get a leg up on the next season, since Blizzard had not specified that in a few days the 365 gear would be replaced with 371 gear sold for the same cost. When they logged in on Tuesday morning in their brand new sets of 365 gear, they found out that the four days of farming had bought them gear that they would begin replacing immediately.

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As I said above, this is in large part Blizzard's fuck up. It was exacerbated by the fact that we (players) tend to grind like rabid monkeys when there is something available for farming (even someone as 'casual' as me has been doing the Firelands dailies from day 1, even though it was extremely crowded and crazy). Without the warning, a lot of people decided to grind out honor until they were ready to pass out, but if they'd known, they would've waited instead.

The downside to this for the rest of us is that now the random BGs have anywhere from 1-5 players who are just there to soak up honor. These days, I log in, run the PVP random daily until I get a win, then log off. Depending on who has the most leeches, that can mean I win on the first BG I run, or the sixth. Blizzard screw-up + lazy players who feel justified in leeching honor = less fun overall. If I was trying to farm honor to get pieces fast, I'd be going nuts right now.

Edit to add a link to the blue post: http://blue.mmo-champion.com/topic/1...ous-comparison

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The downside to this for the rest of us is that now the random BGs have anywhere from 1-5 players who are just there to soak up honor. These days, I log in, run the PVP random daily until I get a win, then log off. Depending on who has the most leeches, that can mean I win on the first BG I run, or the sixth. Blizzard screw-up + lazy players who feel justified in leeching honor = less fun overall. If I was trying to farm honor to get pieces fast, I'd be going nuts right now.

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They are banning people for afking. One of my healers got a 72 hour ban for afking, not botting, just afking.