Hit 70 - now the long grind begins!

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03-04-2008, 10:05 PM
Stealthy

Hit 70 - now the long grind begins!

Hi peeps,

Finally hit 70 with my Shammy team last night and now the long grind for PvP gear begins! I got the 5 guys going engy for 5 x flying machines, the engy helments and the grenades & trinkets (cant wait to try out 5 x rocket launchers lol!)

The plan now is to set up an arena team for the obilgatory 10 matches each week while doing BG's to grab the honor gear and gear myself up.

I did have a few questions around Arenas & BG's:

1. I epxect to get beaten a lot intitially becuase of my crap gear. Will forming new teams every so often get me more points (lose less points?) since the team rating will get reset to 1500?, or will that negatively affect me since I will start off in the 1500 bracket again and most likely be facing S3 geared teams?

2. Is there any particular gear I should focus on getting straight away - or just stick to focussing on the particular piece that will represent the biggest upgrade for me at that time?

Here's a table listing the honor gear availble through BG's...It's shaman specific for stats, but the honor costs are the same for all classes. You might find it usefull...

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Name Slot Stam Int Crit Res SpllDam Mp5 Gems Honour AV AB EotS WG Note Vindicator's Mail Girdle Waist 43 30 29 27 35 0 17850 40 Vindicator's Mail Bracers Wrist 29 17 21 15 27 0 Y 11794 20 +2 res socket bonus Vindicator's Mail Sabatons Feet 43 30 29 27 35 0 17850 40 Vindicator's Band of Dominance Finger 31 15 0 22 33 0 15300 10 14 Spell Penetration Veteran's Band of Dominance Finger 27 12 0 22 29 0 11934 10 10 Spell Penetration Vindicator's Pendant of Conquest Neck 31 15 21 18 25 0 Y 15300 10 +3 stam socket bonus Sargeant's Heavy Cloak Back 33 12 0 16 26 7548 20 Gladiator's Mail Armor Chest 42 23 23 25 32 7 RYY 14500 30 +4 crit socket bonus Gladiator's Mail Gauntlets Hands 36 18 21 21 32 10500 20 Increases range of shocks by 5 yards Gladiator's Mail Helm Head 54 15 18 30 37 MR 14500 30 +2 res socket bonus Gladiator's Mail Leggings Legs 54 25 22 29 42 6 14500 30 Gladiator's Mail Spaulders Shoulder 33 17 20 20 22 6 RY 11250 20 +3 res socket bonus Gladiator's Gavel Weapon 28 18 0 18 199 0 25200 20 Gladiator's Shield Wall Shield 45 0 0 29 0 0 15000 20 Battlemaster's Audacity Trinket 0 0 0 0 47 0 30000 40 Increases health by 1750 for 15 secs Medallion of the Horde Trinket 0 0 0 20 0 0 16983 Removes movement impairing effects TOTALS: 529 247 204 339 621 19 250009 110 110 90 50

Cheers,

Stealthy
03-04-2008, 10:18 PM
Diamndzngunz

The grind will not be that hard. Alot of PVP changes in the new patch, alot more easy to get items.
03-04-2008, 10:20 PM
roddo

The grind at 70 for gear can be as long or longer than the grind getting to 70. I have a hunter that basically I stopped playing once he hit 70 and I dread having to gear him up after spending 4 monthes gearing my warlock. I'm thinking I'd rather just start over with my clone crew and level them to 70, to me levelings more fun than the 70 gear grind. Grats on 70, hopefully I'll have my 3 man crew to 70 by the end of the summer.
03-04-2008, 10:26 PM
Silly Gooooose

lol nice, it's the opposite for me.

I can't stand leveling, but I enjoy the gear grind.
03-04-2008, 10:38 PM
Mudd

If you can, try to play bg and arena matches very late at night or very early morning. The quality of the opposition is very poor at those times. I just started arenas on my 5 warlocks (no healers!) and ended up with a 7-3 record. My order of pvp gear acquisition is: Vindicator -> Gladiator Set -> S2/S3 and other PvP trinkets/weapons. You're going to have the vindicator gear for a while, and the gladiator gear will hold you over until you get some points for S2/S3. It is kind of too late but farming WSG marks in 60-69 bracket may save you a lot of headaches.
03-04-2008, 11:05 PM
Silly Gooooose

meh dunno, BGs don't matter.

Even if you do the games legit (i.e. don't AFK and watch a movie) how good the enemy is doesn't matter much for BGs.

Though for arenas, yes, que @ random wierd times for easy games.

Also, don't get S2. get Honor gear with honor, and S3 with arena points. Then get S1 with honor after you have all the other honor gear. Don't waste points on S2.
03-04-2008, 11:35 PM
Mudd

I find that it does help for AB/EOTS to run off hours due to the fact there are no premades. EOTS is normally 2000 to < 100 at the hours I play, and ABs are 5 cap steam rolls. So yea, if you have a team to go past 1850 then by all means skip S2 shoulders/weapon.
03-04-2008, 11:59 PM
Stealthy

Quote:

Originally Posted by 'Mudd',index.php?page=Thread&postID=40378#post4037 8

I find that it does help for AB/EOTS to run off hours due to the fact there are no premades. EOTS is normally 2000 to < 100 at the hours I play, and ABs are 5 cap steam rolls. So yea, if you have a team to go past 1850 then by all means skip S2 shoulders/weapon.

Actually this works well for me since I'm based in Australia and normally log on after work which equates to about 2:00 AM server time. Its looking better all the time! :)
03-05-2008, 12:15 AM
Stealthy

Quote:

Originally Posted by 'sensenmann',index.php?page=Thread&postID=40375#po st40375

Also, don't get S2. get Honor gear with honor, and S3 with arena points. Then get S1 with honor after you have all the other honor gear. Don't waste points on S2.

Yep this is what I was thinking as well, so the priority will be

Vindicators / Vetereans / Cloak ---> S3 Arena ---> S1 Arena (if still waiting for S3 gear)

The only exception - I might go for the S1 weapon earlier since it would be a big DPS upgrade.

Cheers,

Stealthy
03-05-2008, 05:44 AM
Shogun

Or just save all those points up for the gear coming in S4, only a month or 3 away now... Could save enough marks and honor to get the none-set epics you need, and get this seasons rings (so you have 1 of each next season) then buy all the new stuff the day it goes live ;)
03-05-2008, 08:44 PM
Mac

your horde amirite? long grind? please...

Your going to be facing Alliance premades that form with the sole intention of loosing as fast as they can for one mark ...while you get three for no more effort then it took to queue up :rolleyes:

Horde = Fast Track EZ Mode BG gear :P

(QQ Ali player who did the whole bg grind, played every single game, got every piece of gear on his shadow priest, and got worn out by the 99% horde steamroll 5 cap ab, 3 cap wsg, 4 cap eots, turtle reinforcement loss AVs, but still refuses to jump on the horde bandwagon :D )
03-05-2008, 08:53 PM
unit187

RE: your horde amirite? long grind? please...

Quote:

Originally Posted by 'Mac',index.php?page=Thread&postID=40591#post40591

but still refuses to jump on the horde bandwagon :D )

well the Horde needs some1 to fight with, right :P
03-05-2008, 09:09 PM
Mac

RE: RE: your horde amirite? long grind? please...

Quote:

Originally Posted by 'unit187',index.php?page=Thread&postID=40595#post4 0595

well the Horde needs some1 to fight with, right :P

Ya, your right about that, I often wonder what will happen when everyone goes horde.

I really like it when we're loosing, the Ali whinners in the bg say "Your all a bunch of loosers!" ( like they aren't part of the problem lol... ) "F*k this I'm rolling horde, the next time you see me I'll be steamrolling your ass! blah blah blah" I think, oh goodie, now the horde will have to deal with his lame ass :D I wonder how long it will take before people on the horde side start rolling Ali so they can get away from these -attention deficit disorder - gotta have it now and don't want to work for it - kiddie types who are migrating to horde because its the easy way to epixxx!!!!!!1111. I can't remember where I saw it, but I think I read somewhere that in EU they have so many kiddies rolling horde now that they are rolling Ali to get away from the childish whinning bitching and moaning they bring to the battle hehe...
03-05-2008, 11:39 PM
Silly Gooooose

Quote:

Originally Posted by 'Shogun',index.php?page=Thread&postID=40420#post40 420

Or just save all those points up for the gear coming in S4, only a month or 3 away now... Could save enough marks and honor to get the none-set epics you need, and get this seasons rings (so you have 1 of each next season) then buy all the new stuff the day it goes live ;)

Don't save for S4, it will be 2-3 months away.

Sunwell needs to come out and be cleared for a month or 2 before S4 is out.
03-08-2008, 02:36 AM
onrack

great info! saves me from writing the info down myself :)
03-09-2008, 08:15 AM
Noids99

Quote:

Originally Posted by 'sensenmann',index.php?page=Thread&postID=40616#po st40616

Quote:

Originally Posted by 'Shogun',index.php?page=Thread&postID=40420#post40 420

Or just save all those points up for the gear coming in S4, only a month or 3 away now... Could save enough marks and honor to get the none-set epics you need, and get this seasons rings (so you have 1 of each next season) then buy all the new stuff the day it goes live ;)

Don't save for S4, it will be 2-3 months away.

Sunwell needs to come out and be cleared for a month or 2 before S4 is out.

Apparently there will be no further seasonal PvP gear until the Xpac is released, so I wouldn't worry about S4 at all now.
03-10-2008, 12:10 AM
Stealthy

RE: your horde amirite? long grind? please...

Quote:

Originally Posted by 'Mac',index.php?page=Thread&postID=40591#post40591

Your going to be facing Alliance premades that form with the sole intention of loosing as fast as they can for one mark ...while you get three for no more effort then it took to queue up :rolleyes:

Horde = Fast Track EZ Mode BG gear :P

(QQ Ali player who did the whole bg grind, played every single game, got every piece of gear on his shadow priest, and got worn out by the 99% horde steamroll 5 cap ab, 3 cap wsg, 4 cap eots, turtle reinforcement loss AVs, but still refuses to jump on the horde bandwagon :D )

Not sure how long ago this was true but I can tell you from the 30 or so AV's I did on the weekend, Horde won 2 only. Havent done any AB/WSG/EOTS yet though. No fast track for me QQ :(

Cheers,

Stealthy
03-10-2008, 03:59 AM
firest4rter

Quote:

Originally Posted by 'Noids99',index.php?page=Thread&postID=41373#post4 1373

Apparently there will be no further seasonal PvP gear until the Xpac is released, so I wouldn't worry about S4 at all now.

Where did you read this? from what I have read there will be S4 before the xpac. So 2 months after 2.4 is released we can expact S4.
03-10-2008, 07:19 AM
�eceased

Woah :S I see what I'm going to be doing for a few years when I hit 70 :S

the honour doesn't scare me tbh.. its the marks for AB that sends shivers down my spine :S EotS/WSG ok AV i can see being a lot of fun, but AB *shiver*
the good thing is tho, i can see from ur list that one can leave out all except 60 AB marks, as the glad gear you can replace with S3 later on anyway :)

I'm glad to see ur thinking of vindicator/vet non set gear first, I can't count the amount of times I've seen people in WoW running around in S1 gear and no vin/vet gear.. having to grind another 100k honour to get their gear as they now have entered the arena and realise their gear is being replaced :S merciless + greens is a crindgeworthy sight :P

Edit: btw you should get 374 resilience total with that gear.. 339 +35 from setbonus ( I seemed to get a different value for resilience, everything else is spot on )
03-10-2008, 07:37 PM
Stealthy

Quote:

Originally Posted by '�eceased',index.php?page=Thread&postID=41568#post 41568

Edit: btw you should get 374 resilience total with that gear.. 339 +35 from setbonus ( I seemed to get a different value for resilience, everything else is spot on )

Fixed. Thanks for that - I hadn't added in the resilience from the shield. You can even get up to 381 resilience if you take the socket bonuses from the gems as well.

Cheers,

Stealthy
03-11-2008, 03:50 AM
xtobbenx

Guys. S4 gear have been up on websites for over a mouth now. And its planed to come about 1 or 2 weeks after the Sunwell patch like all the other times.. So unless something unusual is happening i guess that is what we can expact now aswell. But when it comes to gearing up, i wouldnt at this point spend to much effort in it as it wont last for that long.. And maybe we can save some honor over for lvl 80 in a few mounths.. how knows.. So just play and have fun :D
03-11-2008, 09:58 AM
Jaws5

I would say get S1 gear if you are not doing 5 , 3, 2 mans yet. I always look at gear stats to cost ratio. Weapons are just too good not to get season 1 at start. When they allow to to get blue pvp gear again, then get that save points for S3 gear. I have found the gear grind to be never ending. I had all season 1 gear and all veterns, I will not upgrade to s3 gear. Its not worth cost minor sat gains.