Just wondering if we have an EVE players in here. Currently 5 boxing EVE, started back in December. After a long break of MMO's it's a refreshing experience so far, really enjoying myself. :thumbup:
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Just wondering if we have an EVE players in here. Currently 5 boxing EVE, started back in December. After a long break of MMO's it's a refreshing experience so far, really enjoying myself. :thumbup:
I ran 3-6 accounts in EVE off and on for a couple of years. It wasn't really multiboxing in any sense of the term though as I was focused on the industrial side of things. So log in every day or few to deliver and start new manufacturing jobs. I did do some big mining ops but that's about as fun as watching paint dry, and about as challenging. I know some people who actively run multiple accounts for missions or hunting NPCs, it's pretty effective.
How the heck do you box in that game? When I tried it a couple years ago, most of the targeting/jumping/etc. were menu-driven, which wouldn't seem to lend itself very well to multibox-ish play.
Yeah, from my experience in EVE I would think anything other than mining ops in secure space would be horrible for boxing. MAYBE ratting in like .5 or .6, but PvP? I just can't picture it. Would be too easy to lose big money on ships because of lack of control due to boxing. I'd like to hear your experiences and thoughts Brad.
I've got 3 accouns in EVE which I play with sometimes, but how do you box in EVE brad? :)
You can box it, but pretty much the old fashion way.
As many of you stated mining ops, Run 3 miners, a hauler and a rat spawn killer (low sec). Not too challenging. Missions are pretty easy, I either run 2 Ravens or a Drake or Raven combo depending on the missions. Haven’t seen a reason to run more then 2 for missions, might drag another one with me to salvage and loot collect. That’s about it.
For PVP I find it like wow in regards to class selection only ship selection. If I run 4 of the same type ships I can be pretty effective. The key really is having an interceptor as the 5th. First warp in with that, little management required since they can’t kill the interceptor due to tracking issues. Then just warp the fleet in and go to town.
Most importantly to make it a lot easier use Caldari ships. No range issues just spank and tank. From my experience thus far I realize that there’s real potential here on who and how many I can take on. But I’d like to keep the challege in this game; otherwise I feel I’d get bored here like I did for wow for that same reason.
Last night I had a pretty decent fight, Battle Cruiser vs. Battle Cruiser, I won! 8o http://www.bradster.net/movies/wootage.divx Pirate and I agreed to a fight, one I’ve had a bad history with and happened to run in to him as I was passing by. That was great.
Anyway, was hoping to find some active EVE players still. Also to toss out there that I have 4 65 warlocks that I’d be willing to trade for EVE characters ^^
How are you making your money Brad? I had a couple of 2mil SP toons in EVE, but I always found that money was my limiting factor in most cases. That combined with the slow progression of skills left me feeling like the progression was just too slow. I liken it to seeing level 70's running around in WoW while you are level 40 and only being able to go up a level every 14 days even though you dont have to do any work to get there.
Just watched your vid. Wow! That's a hell of a tank you're running there. If the guy had hit your drones instead of you it would have been bad though ;) <3 the drone skillz though.
How do I make money. Well I do it a lot of different ways, just depends on what I’m in the mood for.
Because you only have 2m SP I can give you a couple pointers on how to make some decent money. First try level 2 DED. Fly in with a frigate, shoot everything. Then come back in a destroyer and loot and salvage everything ( in the first stage only), then also salvage all the other wrecks in there. On a good day in 10mins I’ll get around 16 Trit bars, those alone sell for 400K each. Not bad vs. the time. Do that every couple hours during the day between whatever.
Once you hit level 3 missions ISK income becomes pretty decent. Key is to make sure to loot and salvage everything.
My main has 25m SP, where as my alts have 5-6M. I normally run a level 4 with Ravens clear it really fast. Book mark it, turn it in, then if the next mission is small do that and book mark it. I then return to those 2 missions with 2 salvagers and a hauler. Last Saturday I went from 2m to 155M Isk just doing that. That’s just one way.
Other days I’ll run 3 Hulks and a Hauler. Or often while I’m do missions with 2 toons, I’ll be ice mining with the others. With the slow cycle times the ice miners sit there for 10mins to their cargo is full (8 blocks each) Then I just dock them up and send them out again. Per block is 150K for pretty much doing nothing.
If I’m doing well with money I often like to turn what I mine in to things to sell, this weekend I made 15 Thoraxs for sale. Currently working on standings to place a POS for the 100% yield to ice refine, and at that point I’ll start investing in BPO’S research and sell copies.
Also I haven’t done much with trading but something that also helps is saving all your loot until you can fill a hauler. Then take it to a big market trade hub with good prices (but for the love of god not Jita!).
About the slow progression I can agree with you. I played EVE a year ago for about three months and thought, screw this I want to advance! But after three years of wow, I was left bored accomplishing everything I wanted, or not being able to do what I wanted because of needing other people. Eve is different. You can accomplish anything you want; it’s just a matter of time. It was hard for me to have one character and wait for the skill training time, but once I got a couple accounts I prefer the long ones, as I do a lot of micro managing with them. Anytime you finish a big skill its like hitting 70 in that aspect of the game, feels pretty good.
As for that fight you’re going to laugh. I only have 2.5M in drone skills, that’s the first time I ever tried or flew that ship. Drone skills aren’t there yet to technically be in that ship. I saw a video with that setup and thought I’ll give that a try! Glad I did. You don’t need a lot of skill points to be effective in PVP; it normally comes down to fit. As an example in that fight, she/he has over 50M SP, I have 25M. If you look up “the forge” video on eve forum there’s a guy that starts pvping with a freshly made toon with a rifter. That was before when you started out with 200SP now new ones start with 800SP. If you stick and focus to one thing at a time you can fly that one ship very well. But if you want to PVE mission too then it’s going to tank you a lot longer. I have one Pirate alt now that I created a month ago. Soon he will be God in a Thorax. Already can use T2 Armor, Guns and drones. That there is plenty of SP to kill with. Yarr :)
I have a 30 mil sp character and a roughly 18 mil sp character that I reactivate about once every 2 - 3 months to train. I have just had a fvery hard time getting into the game.
My main beef with the game was, unlike UO, that you have to spend a rather large amount of time pve'ing to afford pvp. In UO I could pve for an hour or two and spend the rest of the day pvping. Eve just has a higher cost per death ratio.
Im planning on reactivating soon once I tire of the WAR beta, might hook up with you there brad if your still playing at that time.
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Originally Posted by 'PyrostasisTDK',index.php?page=Thread&postID=35523 #post35523
My main is Chimay. The rest of my guys are in their own private corp and I try to keep them unassociated with my main. They are my care bear high sec dwellers. Currently seeking a new corp for more active people on the times I play in 0.0 with Chimay. Had a couple alliance offers i'm looking to too now, end result i'm looking for is more PVP then I do now.
I wanted to try and setup an empire war corp. Hang around some of the level 4 mission areas, find out what corps are running active missions and such, war dec them, then kill them till they pay us x amount. Pretty profitable business, and contrary to popular belief a lot of those carebears have teeth hehe.
But its rather hard to start a corp with one man, and the whole 0.0 blob 500 v 500 stuff while cool... just never really did it for me personally.
Damn you Brad....you've got me itching to load up EVE now! :P
yeah I hear yah... bastage is making me reactivate 2 of my accounts
Accounts reactivated :P I was wrong, my fighting guy has almost 7million SP and my industrial guy has about 5million.
I just joined ROADKILL Alliance last night, thus far looks awesome. After talking with them for a couple of hours mining is possible with out much problems out there. Right now i'm leaving my other accounts in high sec until I get my feet wet. Plan do some ratting tonight, i'm told 60M an hour easy out here!
I play from 12:30am - 5am EST -5 (night shift worker) of any of you play the same hours send me an EVE mail and i'll pass it along to the recruiter, seem like pretty cool guys. Age range looks to be 20's - 40's
In game name is Chimay
There is no way to see character details of deactivated accounts, is there?
Ah, EVE... Used to two-box, Mathra (main, fighter/industrialist with aobut 20m SP), Mathrasslave(miner/transporter).
Was a pirate, tho, yarrr. We bring cookies and burn your ships
Eve, still a great game, it has a lot of very very good features they could get into wow for me. But the pace is soo slow, granted I only have 2 around ~4 million sp chars but still.
btw for money, eve is one of those games where time card trading just gives you a bucket load for a low amount of cash, and its allowed.
Wow Brad, you work nights or something? I definitely dont play that late (I'm in Louisiana....Central time zone).
My current 2 toons are Baton Rouge (fighting guy) and Morgaanti (Industrial/Mining). Prolly gonna pick up at least 2 more (gotta do some testing and see how 2 clients run on my dualcores.
So, now that we have a few people re-activating and playing anyone got an great hints/tricks/tips for boxing in EVE? Does key broadcasting anything help at all?
Brad is what you Americans call a 'Second Shifter'? No idea what hours that means, but imagine its late :D
1st: 8am - 4pm
2nd: 4pm-12am
3rd: 12am - 8am
Sounds like Brad works graveyards. Got to love those hours.... if you have the day off when you're actually awake, almost nothing is open, and everything on TV is infomercials.
IIRC there IS a "supporttarget" or "autotarget"-function implented, I just can't remember how it was used. At any rate, the best solution for boxing would be using keyclone(I dare say) to sort out the windows and use "focus follows mouse" for quick clientshifts.Quote:
Originally Posted by 'Morganti',index.php?page=Thread&postID=36033#post 36033
hmm think you will be stuck with jumping while being in a gang?
Not sure Id call 15 bucks per 200 million a steal... but Im just a poor college student living on ramen noodles! If you look at third party sites you can get isk at about half that rate. People like me use the GTC for isk deal to play the game for free. IMO the real people buying tons of cash are buying from third party sellers as its much cheaper that way.Quote:
Originally Posted by 'Los',index.php?page=Thread&postID=35965#post35965
It is rather slow, but if you can find a good corporation the game play can be very exciting. Just a pita to find a corp that shares the same goals as you.
As for boxing, the main issue with making boxing effective IMO is the lack of any form of assist.
Yeah guys I work nights.
I play from 12:30am – 5am EST. Been on this schedule since… 2003 I believe. And Contents hit the nail on the head, nothing open, and nothing but infomercials. That’s why I turned to MMO’s. Work 4, 10hr days 2pm – 12am.
What’s funny is I haven’t watched TV since 2003, and people think I’m crazy “Did you see this show, this commercial?”. Nope haven’t watched TV in over 5 years! ZOMG
As far as tips and tricks, don’t have any as of late. If it was possible to multicast a mouse with perfect Sync things could be very interesting. But I don’t think something like that exists. Even so I’m not that interested in doing more then 2 in combat. I enjoy a lot of other aspects of the game and like to focus on that with my alts.
This weekend was pretty awesome. I found a rare moon in my travels doing some moon probing. Setup my own POS and I’m now harvesting it, yes this is in 0.0 where I live, so it works out.
Just recently joined this alliance I think on Friday, it really is quite amazing how much the game differs when you have people playing the same times you do and living out in 0.0 space compared to empire. One thing is for certain I’ll never move back to empire.
Some funny stories worth mentioning.
After a pretty successful nights of hunting, we were heading back to our home. This night we decided to hit lowsec empire and hope to grab a mission runner or 2, no loot worth mentioning on this run.
As were heading back I’m the first to jump the gate, there on the other side is a neutral pirate with a bounty in a Battle ship. I think nooooo problem I’ll tackle this dude in my battle cruiser while the other 2 gang members get here. Now I’m a noob when it comes to PVP, I don’t even know all the ships yet (I’m getting there). So my friend jumps and told me to run like hell. But his words came too late.
What did I tackle? A faction fitted Nightmare! My ship melted in about 15secounds. I couldn’t stop laughing; they still make fun of me about it.
Last night I tried stealth bombers for the first time. I was pretty impressed at the volley burst damage on a frigate, I one shot an interceptor in enemy space. I really didn’t expect that kind of damage. In wow terms it was like an epic pyro blast crit on a level 1 gnome.
Don't post much on the forums, been a lurker since June... but I've been an IRC whore since September, most the guys know me pretty well. Wilbur still gives me shit for not posting :(
Anywho, Hippi and Morg got me intriuged with EvE so I installed and snagged me a paid account. Games kick ass thus far.
Playing hours are 7am PST - 12am PST *winter layoff blows*. STill a very newbish character but have 2 accounts one is gunning to be a gas harvester and the other is my Missile Boat.
In game name is Gur Taukenon. Hit me up if ya see me Brad, currently playing with Hippi and Morg when he's on.
All this EVE talk is damaging my WoW multibox inspiration. Feel like activating my account again :D
Have had a char for a long time, maybe 15M sp. I've been activating it once or twice a year just to check up on EVE.
Never got into a proper corp, prolly the reason i don't play it :S
Rofol, a gurblob at a jumpgate! hahahaha, eeugh *cough*, hmm shrugQuote:
Originally Posted by 'Gurblash',index.php?page=Thread&postID=36928#post 36928
You almost get me to activate my other account gurry, would be fun playing wit you retards ;)
You should lossie... I'm 17days away from having my T2 Mining Barge and being a gas harvester and I'm sure I'll be needing some backup :D. My Missile Boat on the other hand should get my Cruiser here today. The Progress is limited which is nice. You can't really power level your toon up to being a bad ass it just takes time... although you can 'twink' him with the best he can handle which is always fun, bearing you've got the ISK.
that close to your hulk? this fast? hmm nice ;)
already have mine on my second account :P
Yea I'll have the Hulk in 12 days if I plow for it and don't miss a skill completion timer. Time to start setting alarms for 2 and 3am to change skills... oi lol.
No reason to set your alarm, just switch skills to short timered ones when you're playing and long timered ones when you arent. You dont lose you place in training a skill by switching to another. You'll still end up with the same amount of time being played and the same skills. The pain in the butt parts are when you are leaving the computer for 8 hours and your skill only takes 6 to complete and theres no other great options to switch to.
If you guys are interested in 0.0 living, contact me in game “Chimay” and I’ll get you in contact with our recruiter. He’s a great guy I normally spend most of my time in fleet with him killing someone or some thing. . Doesn’t matter what time you play there are always ton’s of people on. Heck I log in all hours of the night and I was in a 90 man fleet the other day. Keep in mind the 90man fleet was created within 15mins ready for attack from those who were just in the area.
0.0 living is fun! You can make around 64m an hour mining out here (with T2 Crystals) Even so without them, still a ton. You can also make that ratting. Last night my friend got a faction drop worth over 300m (Dread Invul Field). Just in the short time I’ve been with them it’s changed the entire game for me. I never had this much fun in EVE before.
Here’s some of the things I accomplished thus far with the new corp. I have my own personal POS, I use it to mine a rare moon. Not only got to go on the Journey, but had to tank THEE hardest Exploration Plex in the game. (I have part of it recorded if you’d like me to upload it). I’ve made tons of isk compared to empire no matter what the heck I do. Been apart of large fleet battles. Had the satisfaction of chasing away over 150 reds outta our system due to team work. Most of all I’m actually starting to move up on the kill board compared to before being solo.
I really just can’t explain it, it’s just something you have to see for yourself. Take the BLUE pill and let’s go hunting, yarrr.
Right now I have 5 guys.
2 in the Alliance
3 in their on private corp. I ice mine on 2, and haul with the 3rd.
Main almost finished Advanced Drone Interfacing 5 (18D skill!)
Then going to work on Warfare Drone skills, then continue to work on gun skills. Right now his gun skills are only 2m but my Thorax still does 532DPS. That’s not a typo. My lolrox setup only cost 16m total as well. I have a clip of me raping a Hauler with that setup if you’re interested in seeing the damage output.
Alt in the Corp will be completely done learning skills in 12D (Advanced 4). He was my old main with 6m SP. Next step is Exploration/Ship probe skills. That’s about 50D to max it to make it perfect. Then on to Logistics (10D) so I can solo those hard 0.0 Plexs I find. That last one we did I tanked over 30 Battle Ships, ton of Frigates and tons of cruisers and Battle cruisers, along with Sent guns and Seiage guns that hit for 500. Mind you this was all at once. If that doesn’t make your heart rate go up I don’t know what will! That’s a preview of 0.0 life!
2 miners both drive Hulks/Machs
Both finished Ice mining 5 today, working on Mining 5 Then off to T2 Crystals.
Last alt, finishing off learning skills, then training for Freighter then Jump Freighter, ETA 43D just for the Freighter.
I normally have a skill plan laid out for the next 40D and make a new one once I completed them all. When you have 5 guys, with the exception of learning skills they go by pretty fast. I have a laptop with EVE installed here at work just to keep up with the training. Speaking of which I need to do that now.
Before I go I should make it clear, that although my post is filled with wonderful great experiences, this is after all 0.0. We are currently with war with three other Alliances, which the normal is only 1. One is always to be expected but not 3. But were excited, more targets! Some times things are quite, others you have to put down the miner lasers and go out there and show them how it’s done. Really think about if you can sit there and mine for days with out getting bored to the next week having local fill up with over a 100 REDS and camp you inside for the rest of the day. These things happen and will! When I’m trapped with my pants down I simply logon to my alts and start mining. Wouldn’t recommend putting all of your guys in 0.0 space for your own sanity when you get camped in or out of 0.0.
i used to play more than i do now, mostly i play wow at the moment. i still log on my eve toon (Theteej) to train a new skill when i learn one. and he has like 270 million isk. i fly a drake decently, and a mining barge decently. currently i'm finishing up maxing the tier 2 learning skills. memory and int tier 1 and 2 are all at 5, per/will are tier 1 all 5, tier 2 4 and 5, charisma is like tier 1 at 4 tier 2 at 3. another few weeks and i can either work toward exhumer or get better at flying drake. i still mine occasionally but i don't have refining skill yet, so i just stockpile the ore. i wana kill stuff in my drake but i don't have faction enough to get even level 2 missions yet lol.i used to play in a pvp corp but i work too much to be active.
This thought occurred to me last night.
Let’s pretend there is a Mouse Multiplexer out there in existence and you currently have it. It’s still not going to work very well. The reason why is the over view.
In a perfect world if you were to take on a single target, that happened to be in a roid belt. Then yes the only target at the top of the overview (properly setup) would be in that said ship. So you could focus fire. However in a most cases like a Gate, station etc you will have many targets lurking about. Because you are randomly placed upon jump the distances would differ. Player A, B, C and D would have different ships in the overview, only if sorted by distance the targets would differ.
Thinking about it more, I think it could still be possible but you would have to setup the overview to sort by Name, or perhaps ship type. The question I’m unable to test right now is, IF you can sort by those perimeters. I don’t think you can, but I’m unable to test right now.
There is a lack of target assist, however! With the broadcast window, you could broad cast who to target. Assuming you have a mouse Multiplexer you could then click on the broadcast window and target that way. At which point during the locking phase you can click orbit on all of them at the same time and start spamming f1 – f9 for a great time :thumbsup:
I've been debating exactly what we CAN do in EVE and these are my thoughts thus far:
Key broadcast your attack keys across all guys (as soon as you gain a target you'll start firing)
Key broadcast your drones across all guys (there are drone shortcuts you can bind)
You wouldn't want to broadcast your active tanking modules, as you would burn needless cap on a lot of guys.
With a G-15 or nostromo you could one button fire your entire fleet, and could at that point worry about targeting/movement individually.
I know you could use AutoIt to move your mouse to a certain spot and click, but I'm not sure how legit that would be. That's the closest idea I can come to an assist in EVE.
Have a coupla accounts. Between the two of them, I can fly carriers, freighters, covops/cruisers, t2 cruisers, exhumers (mmm, gistii hulk), and have a bunch of good refine skills (been playing since 04)
Last time I really played, ISS was still together. Reading this is getting that itch itching again, bah!
I'd be interested in some kind of close knit corp: empire pvp, shifting goods around, or just being a nuisance. Not really too excited about mining or ratting out in 0sec anymore, the monotony of that killed the game for me. Add that to the fact that ore prices have plummeted...
Morganti
Your right you can broadcast using the key board multiplexer (and perhaps software like Keyclone?)
I wasn’t aware you could bind your drone attack. That’s interesting.
However without some way to use a mouse across all the clients I don’t see how it’s possible to acquire the target. Unless there is some Mouse Multiplexer out there with a perfect Sync I don’t think it would be possible.
On a good note I did discover you can sort the over view alphabetically. So if and when find a way to have a perfect mouse sync it would be possible to target the same thing at the same time. To be honest I haven’t put forth much effort in to researching what is out there, mainly because I have no desire to 5 box pvp here. I enjoy the mmo aspect of fighting in fleet vs. fleet and have no desire to change that.
Zashi
I know what you mean. I more or less enjoy a tightly knit group myself. Even being apart of a large alliance I have a group of people I normally hang out with. We click and enjoy the company. A typical night includes about 6-10 of us doing small gangs. Doing plexs, pirating or ganking other alliances war targets. Two weeks ago we all went to our enemy’s space in Stealth Bombers. We’d uncloak and insta pop anyone that came in. Was pretty funny. That’s just a random idea one of us had. Something is always going on that’s fun at least.
Mining still has it’s value, Can still make a good 50-60M an hour, which is pretty decent, and note this is per toon of course if you box. As for living out in 0.0 I hear many people
Have different experiences with it, my very first experience was pretty bad with my first choice. However this 2nd choice is pretty amazing. Only thing it cost’s me is 10% tax, which I’d pay that in empire anyway.
I’ve been trying to get my irl friend to play EVE for a while now, he created a new account and has been skilling towards Battle Cruiser, but already he’s bored waiting. Thankfully he is almost done skilling for it and can move in to 0.0 this week and he can see the game for what it really is. I wanted to give him a preview so I tossed together a small video of just Saturday.
We decided to do an interceptor gang with a single Black bird, just messing around. Well it was pretty effective, even managed a battle ship with just interceptor dps, we couldn’t stop laughing. These clips are pretty much all from 1 day just in a random roaming gang, with the exception of the Caracal and BC fight. http://files.filefront.com/evepvpdiv.../fileinfo.html
That’s just one day, lately I’ve been gate camping. Finally decided to drop the isk and Buy a Heavy Assault Ship. A lot more fun then the slow going Negatron.