Would having a Horde and an Ally online at the same time be against the rules?

When at last patch I was updating my 5 WoW's, I had a small moment to actualy read the EULA ... And I found a rule saying: It's illigal for players of one faction to talk with another player of the opposite faction at any one time.

Does this mean it's illigal to use text to make words like 'h e l l o' shown to the other faction while you just typed ''hh ee bb bb ee hh' for instance ?

Or would it mean you may not have any contact with a player online in WoW on the other side the you are playing on ? Ofcourse normaly Blizz can't really check this, but I used to accounts to lvl a 41 horde hunter to lvl 46 using my lvl 70 ally hunter...

Any ideas or experience here ?

lol is that rule really there?

I did not find anything.
http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/legal/eula.html

if that was the case wouldnt it be against the rules to have the WoW Realm forums?
Alliance and Horde converse there all the time.
There is nothing stopping you from logging into the opposite factions vent and have a chat, it used to happen quite alot on an old realm i was apart of

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C. You agree that you will not :

iv. allow players who are playing characters aligned with the "Alliance" faction to chat or otherwise communicate directly with players who are playing characters aligned with the "Horde" faction, or vice versa;

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Source: http://www.wow-europe.com/en/legal/termsofuse.html

It's in the EU version of the Terms of Use, I read it when the game restarted, was in the last of te 3 screen you will have to press accept.

Seems it is indeed not allowed to have 2 chars running, 1 in each faction ? I'm gonna contact a GM when I get home tonight. Would be a stupid reason to get banned / suspended :thumbdown:

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allow players who are playing characters aligned with the "Alliance" faction to chat or otherwise communicate directly with players who are playing characters aligned with the "Horde" faction, or vice versa;

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It's all in the interpretation (as with most rules), I believe the rule is actually stating you can not be logged into one faction and talking to a member of the opposite faction through that character.

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playing characters aligned with the "Alliance" faction to chat or otherwise communicate directly with players who are playing characters aligned with the "Horde" faction,

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If you are playing alliance and log into a horde character you are not chatting or communicating directly from an alliance aligned character to talk to horde players. You are in fact talking from a horde character to a horde character, the rule is to stop people creating addons / hacks to allow you to talk from an alliance character directly to a horde character.

Pre-TBC many of my friends and I played both horde and alliance on the same server, in TBC our alliance guild actually rerolled to horde (transferring to a new server) with a horde guild and we merged to form a new guild. We never had any problems with the cross faction communication etc and had spoken to GM's about it many times.

That's the first option I stated in my post. I'll just go with that, thanks for your reply!

I'll contact a GM tonight and see what they say about it, too, and post my findings here aswell.

I've heard of this being the case on pvp servers, preventing a player from using 2 accounts to harass someone by ganking them, part of the reason why you can only have one faction on a pvp server.

Yeah, once discovered, and on a PvP server, one person owning horde & alliance toons shouldn't be allowed.

For example, there's a raging douchebag on Laughing Skull named Pandemoniumx. Visit the realm forums and you'll see him. He's got a lvl 70 Hode warlock named Pandamoniumx, and a lvl 70 Alliance paladin named Pandemoniumx. On his paladin, he created a guild called Disciples of Pandemonium. On his warlock, he sits in the lowbie areas (usually Redridge & Duskwood) constantly griefing players, then logs on his paladin and whispers them to join his guild - if they don't, the warlock will continue to corpse camp them. Therefore, he's got well over 300 members in his "guild" who just wanted to avoid being corpse camped.

That activity seems to be strictly breaking the reason for not allowing one account to have both horde & alliance characters on the same PvP server.. and I'm stunned Bliz hasn't done anything about it. I do all I can to encourage the Discples guild members to ditch that faux guild for one that actually means something..

There's alot of non-multiboxers who have alt/trial accounts specifically for talking to the other faction, mostly for pvp-related reasons(e.g; lv1 Warr whispers: OMFG U NOOB IT TOOK 3 OF U TO KILL ME U SUK LOLZ EVEN THO I WERE IN TOWN AND U HAD 8 GUARDS + 2 PATROLLING WOLF RIDERS ON U HAHAHA QQ MORE)

Using and/or abusing the Gobbledygook system that muddles and befuddles what we type is more or less in the same grey area boat as AHK; it can be used improperly(Like a few horde I know that found & spam racial slurs to alliance nonstop through it), but it also has legit/less offensive uses(such as "Ag Ee oo D a p LOL" translates to "[Common] Me Lo ve Y o u BUR" and the less nice but still non-offensive one I personally came up with, "Ag Lol d D a p" = "Me Bur y Y o u" ;p); due to how limited it is and the majority of people only knowing a phrase or two at most it shouldn't be an issue. Plus, it makes sense: In any war, the opposing faction will have translators or even learn very loose, poorly-grammared(irony) phrases to communicate or taunt with.

The fact that all races of both factions could talk to each other without any issues whatsoever in War3 doesn't exactly support Blizz's decision either lol; plus, if Trolls/Undead/Tauren can learn and speak Orcish as their "Common" language, it shows learning is possible ;p

My friend has a horde warlock and a ally warlock on my server. The only issue is that /follow doesn't work cross faction ;)

Aye when I first got my 2nd acct, first thing I did was roll a BE mage on Mag ;p I ran Eteo up to the BE areas once the noob hit 6ish and then started doing the "Tag > MOONFIRELOL" powerlvling bit, got the mage up to frost nova/aoe and started letting eteo Faerie Fire each mob 2-3 times then mass-kill for big exp(FF generates a surprisingly high amount of aggro vs noob dmg at pre-20 lvls); I ran them by setting Autorun since /follow didn't work as you said...trying to steer 2 autorunners at once is interesting, to say the least, and I ran into a bunch of angry mobs more than once ;p

Got it to 21 before I got sick of being bored and alone on horde, sent my money/items through goblin AH, deleted and rerolled the shamen ;p

Greetings,

Note : this is for PvP servers with open warfare, where players are always overt (vs. covert) in disputed regions.

I agree with the comments above.

As far as I've experienced, Blizzard is quite tolerant with customers paying for two different accounts on the same PvP server (you can't have opposing faction characters on the same account on PvP servers so you need two accounts for that) as long as this isn't exploited for harassing and ganking other players.

The "smart" harassers will do that in stealth mode, logging on their character in your faction to locate you and then use their opposing faction character to "search and destroy" you there.
Hard to prove indeed.

But the "dumb" ones will taunt you through /w. That's when you can report them to a GM and could get them into a temporary ban, though without guaranty of success (and you may have a hard time to check that success too).
I ran though that experience while multi-boxing and reported the guy asap.
Never heard from him again and never got ganked by his opposing faction character either.

/salute

http://utterwizardry.com/angwe/quotes.htm

So Angwe was just a fluke? I highly doubt it. I do agree that people who are using this mechanic to grief others purely for the sake of griefing aren't violating any technical parts of the ToS. They're violating one of those "spirit of the game" sections that is deliberately vague so that Blizzard can run the asshats out of town on a rail.

I was on Jubei'Thos - and had several ally chars there - I bought my first second account and rolled an undead warrior just to check out what horde was all about, I also rolled a new Human pally. So there I was on my pally level 2 and there's this level 10 undead rogue ganking all the low levels including me and I think stuff this I'll go play another char till he gets bored. So I log onto my undead warrior who is now level 10 also and who do I meet on the zep platform an hour later but this rogue and he's going on and on about how much fun it is to gank lowbies in the human starting area. So I say to him wow that sounds like fun tell me when you're going and I'll come too and he says right now so I get off the zep and say damn sorry mate I got some RL to attend to and I log off. Then I log in my NE Level 36 Hunter and go to the human starting area and shadowmeld, needless to say the poor bstard got ganked to hell and back - after he finally left I logged into the horde account and whispered LOL Loser.

I'm pretty sure my violation of the spirit of the game was a lot less than his.

Back before TBC when everyone was farming Cenarion rep in Silithus a gnome mage showed up with ridiculous gear ganking everyone in sight. I was on my rogue so started hunting the mage to help out the victims and turn the tables on the mage. We managed to kill him once or twice but I noticed that the mage seemed to be friendly with some Horde.

So I was sneaking up on the mage from behind and when I was getting close he suddenly frost novad and blinked away. It was pretty obvious then that the other Horde there were telling him where I was. I was extremely pissed off. Turns out that they were on the same vent. I didn't report it at the time but it is completely against the spirit of the game in my opinion.

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Originally Posted by 'Fursphere',index.php?page=Thread&postID=33828#pos t33828

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Originally Posted by 'Taipan',index.php?page=Thread&postID=33775#post33 775

The "smart" harassers will do that in stealth mode, logging on their character in your faction to locate you and then use their opposing faction character to "search and destroy" you there.
Hard to prove indeed.
/salute

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Did this once myself to chase a 55(ish) Belf Paladin across three zones using /who <name> after he ganked my lvl 25(ish) tri-box shammy team wiht my hunter. Once I caught up with him, I pounded him for about 30 minutes. :P

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This is why I'll never roll on PVP server, gankers just waste my gaming experience. I don't have that much time to play so being ganked for 30-40 minutes is no fun.

I couldn't imagine playing on a PvE server, it would be weird not looking over your shoulder all the time. On a PvE server you wouldn't have that thought of "oh cr@p here comes a level ??" and start running like all get out, instead it would be all roses, bunnies, flower arranging and a big hugfest. There's nothing like the satisfaction of someone trying to gank you and them failing only to receive a /lol and /spit.

PvP puts the WAR in WARCRAFT. Not that I'm opinionated or anything :whistling:

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Originally Posted by 'Astrid',index.php?page=Thread&postID=33867#post33 867

I couldn't imagine playing on a PvE server, it would be weird not looking over your shoulder all the time. On a PvE server you wouldn't have that thought of "oh cr@p here comes a level ??" and start running like all get out, instead it would be all roses, bunnies, flower arranging and a big hugfest. There's nothing like the satisfaction of someone trying to gank you and them failing only to receive a /lol and /spit.

PvP puts the WAR in WARCRAFT. Not that I'm opinionated or anything :whistling:

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Actually you can flag yourself all the time if you want.
But as I said, I've been ganked and corpse camped before and it ruins the fun. I don't mind dying but being corpse camped for 30-40 minutes is really annoying.

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Originally Posted by 'sanix',index.php?page=Thread&postID=33869#post338 69

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Originally Posted by 'Astrid',index.php?page=Thread&postID=33867#post33 867

I couldn't imagine playing on a PvE server, it would be weird not looking over your shoulder all the time. On a PvE server you wouldn't have that thought of "oh cr@p here comes a level ??" and start running like all get out, instead it would be all roses, bunnies, flower arranging and a big hugfest. There's nothing like the satisfaction of someone trying to gank you and them failing only to receive a /lol and /spit.

PvP puts the WAR in WARCRAFT. Not that I'm opinionated or anything :whistling:

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Actually you can flag yourself all the time if you want.
But as I said, I've been ganked and corpse camped before and it ruins the fun. I don't mind dying but being corpse camped for 30-40 minutes is really annoying.

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Yep it can be really annoying - especially when you're minding your own business and some S3 epic geared Dest Lock dismounts from his Netherwing 3 shots you again and again and again :cursing: . I guess I've been reasonably lucky gank wise, although at times I've had the urge to transfer to PvE :pinch: . I noticed on some webby census site that the 4 highest pop servers were PvE. Barthilas was the highest PvP server coming in at 5th overall hence my rerolling there. I might roll a char on a PvE and find out what it's all about.

So multiboxers what PvE servers are you on?

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Originally Posted by 'Astrid',index.php?page=Thread&postID=33871#post33 871

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Originally Posted by 'sanix',index.php?page=Thread&postID=33869#post338 69

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Originally Posted by 'Astrid',index.php?page=Thread&postID=33867#post33 867

I couldn't imagine playing on a PvE server, it would be weird not looking over your shoulder all the time. On a PvE server you wouldn't have that thought of "oh cr@p here comes a level ??" and start running like all get out, instead it would be all roses, bunnies, flower arranging and a big hugfest. There's nothing like the satisfaction of someone trying to gank you and them failing only to receive a /lol and /spit.

PvP puts the WAR in WARCRAFT. Not that I'm opinionated or anything :whistling:

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Actually you can flag yourself all the time if you want.
But as I said, I've been ganked and corpse camped before and it ruins the fun. I don't mind dying but being corpse camped for 30-40 minutes is really annoying.

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Yep it can be really annoying - especially when you're minding your own business and some S3 epic geared Dest Lock dismounts from his Netherwing 3 shots you again and again and again :cursing: . I guess I've been reasonably lucky gank wise, although at times I've had the urge to transfer to PvE :pinch: . I noticed on some webby census site that the 4 highest pop servers were PvE. Barthilas was the highest PvP server coming in at 5th overall hence my rerolling there. I might roll a char on a PvE and find out what it's all about.

So multiboxers what PvE servers are you on?

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I agree ganking & corpse capming can be annoying, but it really only seems to occur when levelling. Once you hit 70, it's a whole different ball game. Then you are the one doing the ganking and corpse camping. And if you want to level and another set of toons, just park your 70 team close by in case anyone tries to mess with you.

The only problem I have is with stealth...you need to wait for rogues & druids to make the 1st move, which can be annoying. But apart from that, I love playing on a PvP server...wouldn't have it any other way :)

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Originally Posted by 'Stealthy',index.php?page=Thread&postID=33877#post 33877

The only problem I have is with stealth...you need to wait for rogues & druids to make the 1st move, which can be annoying. But apart from that, I love playing on a PvP server...wouldn't have it any other way :)

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NERF HUMAN PERCEPTION!!!
As a rogue without MoD5 I might as well walk around unstealthed when a warlock pops Perception with a Felhunter out. O perception, how I hate thee, let me count the ways.

ok .. I have been thinking about this for a bit and wanted an opinion. Since we all have more than one account (obvious lol) if you rolled whatever type of toon, 1 each faction .. lets say for argument 1 dwarf war and 1 undead war, went to a nice little out of the way, out of line of site for other players, and just took turns killing yourself over and over ... how long would it take to get any kind of decent honor? 8) and, would it be against any kind of rules since you are obviously playing both factions at the same time? just been a curiosity for me since I mainly play alli and my gf plays horde.



Smitty

I'm fairly certain that is against ToS. But with diminishing returns it would take quite a long time I'm sure.

Except diminishing returns are gone in 2.4; though regardless you'd get shit for honor + spend alot of time corpserunning since all the cross-faction shared GYs are in not-out-of-the-way spots, and you'd gain very little per kill making AV more worthwhile, plus you'd have to get the char(s) to a lvl worth using any honor-bought gear. ALot of work for very little return :p

That's what I figured, but it would have just been kinda interesting if it would work. lol

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Originally Posted by 'crzywolve',index.php?page=Thread&postID=33995#pos t33995

ok .. I have been thinking about this for a bit and wanted an opinion. Since we all have more than one account (obvious lol) if you rolled whatever type of toon, 1 each faction .. lets say for argument 1 dwarf war and 1 undead war, went to a nice little out of the way, out of line of site for other players, and just took turns killing yourself over and over ... how long would it take to get any kind of decent honor? 8) and, would it be against any kind of rules since you are obviously playing both factions at the same time? just been a curiosity for me since I mainly play alli and my gf plays horde.



Smitty

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This would clearly be exploiting. Expect to be banned if you do this.

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Originally Posted by 'crzywolve',index.php?page=Thread&postID=33995#pos t33995

ok .. I have been thinking about this for a bit and wanted an opinion. Since we all have more than one account (obvious lol) if you rolled whatever type of toon, 1 each faction .. lets say for argument 1 dwarf war and 1 undead war, went to a nice little out of the way, out of line of site for other players, and just took turns killing yourself over and over ... how long would it take to get any kind of decent honor? 8) and, would it be against any kind of rules since you are obviously playing both factions at the same time? just been a curiosity for me since I mainly play alli and my gf plays horde.



Smitty

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This would clearly be exploiting. Expect to be banned if you do this.

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Apart for the legality of it, it just wouldnt be feasable. after the 3rd or 4th kill, u start running into rez timer problems. And the small amount of honor you get for the kill just makes it a waste of time.

Cheers,

Stealthy

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Originally Posted by 'roddo',index.php?page=Thread&postID=33632#post336 32

I've heard of this being the case on pvp servers, preventing a player from using 2 accounts to harass someone by ganking them, part of the reason why you can only have one faction on a pvp server.

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Actually I remember one really infamous rogue (orc) back in the day who would gank people at wetlands harbor. he'd be logged in on his alliance character (separate account) the whole time to mock them, hear what they were saying and what not.

so no, after all the reports to gm's about him without any bans, i'd say it's fine. he used to have a site up with ss's of all the messages he got, or at least the best ones.

however, it's always best to check yourself, times may have changed, or even if it's still the same, relying on the word of a total stranger ( me ) is not worth betting your time / money leveling a group on =)