Input from those running multiple accounts on one machine.

Hey everyone,

Up to level 18 so far with 5 accounts. I am running 4 of them most of the time with a buddy running a priest.

Is anyone able to run 5 accounts with 25fps or more?

Here is what I am getting.

0-3 accounts about 25fps.
4 accounts drops to 11 to 17 fps.
5 drops to 8-12 fps.

5 works, but is a pain. People are dropping follow from lag and so on.

Does anyone have a rig that can run all 5 accounts at 30fps on decent settings?

I curently have an i7 950, 2 X 2gig vid cards and 12 gig ram. Not sure an upgrade is going to make a dramatic difference.

Thanks for the input.

I run all my 5 accounts at around 35 FPS( ofc it gets lower down to 10-20 when im in a major rift or city) I run with I7 930 2x 5870 and 12g RAm nothing overcloked yet, waiting for my watercooling to get the CPU higher, then i hope i can get some more frames.. what graphics cards are you using?

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Originally Posted by Teslah

Hey everyone,

Up to level 18 so far with 5 accounts. I am running 4 most of them time with a buddy running a priest.

Is anyone able to run 5 accounts with 25fps or more?

Here is what I am getting.

0-3 accounts about 25fps.
4 accounts drops to 11 to 17 fps.
5 drops to 8-12 fps.

5 works, but is a pain. People are dropping follow from lag and so on.

Does anyone have a rig that can run all 5 accounts at 30fps on decent settings?

I curently have an i7 950, 2 X 2gig vid cards and 12 gig ram. Not sure an upgrade is going to make a dramatic difference.

Thanks for the input.

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I would assume you mean on 1 machine, as i run 5 accounts on 5 separate machines, and there FPS is 25 to 40 on low rendering, minus my main machine which has 45+ FPS.

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Originally Posted by Teslah

Hey everyone,

Up to level 18 so far with 5 accounts. I am running 4 most of them time with a buddy running a priest.

Is anyone able to run 5 accounts with 25fps or more?

Here is what I am getting.

0-3 accounts about 25fps.
4 accounts drops to 11 to 17 fps.
5 drops to 8-12 fps.

5 works, but is a pain. People are dropping follow from lag and so on.

Does anyone have a rig that can run all 5 accounts at 30fps on decent settings?

I curently have an i7 950, 2 X 2gig vid cards and 12 gig ram. Not sure an upgrade is going to make a dramatic difference.

Thanks for the input.

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I am running three accounts as follows:

I am using ISBoxer and I have the clients set up to cap at 30FPS when in the foreground and 15FPS when minimized.
I get pretty much 30FPS unless there is alot of activity on the screen.

I also have my main toon set up on Ultra settings all are running at 1920x1200

I have also noticed that over the last couple of days the game is much smoother with less stuttering.

My rig:

Core2Quad 9550
ATI 4970
8GB Ram
Windows 7 64

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Originally Posted by Meeo

I would assume you mean on 1 machine, as i run 5 accounts on 5 separate machines, and there FPS is 25 to 40 on low rendering, minus my main machine which has 45+ FPS.

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Yep, one machine. I can do it, it looks ok, but at times it gets a little slow.

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Originally Posted by ZooljinX

I run all my 5 accounts at around 35 FPS( ofc it gets lower down to 10-20 when im in a major rift or city) I run with I7 930 2x 5870 and 12g RAm nothing overcloked yet, waiting for my watercooling to get the CPU higher, then i hope i can get some more frames.. what graphics cards are you using?

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I have two GTX 295 2gig cards in the machine, so 4gigs video ram. Wondering if upgrading them would make a massive difference or just a slight difference.

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Originally Posted by ZooljinX

I run all my 5 accounts at around 35 FPS( ofc it gets lower down to 10-20 when im in a major rift or city) I run with I7 930 2x 5870 and 12g RAm nothing overcloked yet, waiting for my watercooling to get the CPU higher, then i hope i can get some more frames.. what graphics cards are you using?

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I have a liquid cooled system and am not seeing your numbers.

Did you change any other settings or do anything else to the game or your computer to get the higher numbers? I can get 10-12fps during rifts with 5 copies running on one system, but I have never seen 35fps for each of the 5 clients all running at once out in the wilderness.

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Originally Posted by Teslah

I have two GTX 295 2gig cards in the machine, so 4gigs video ram. Wondering if upgrading them would make a massive difference or just a slight difference.

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As far as i know the SLI Nvidia Optimization was not in yet, unless it was patched in the yesterday/for release day. They stated in their head-start podcast interview that they only had the ATI Crossfire optimization in. Last i heard is they were still working with Nvidia to get that done. Ill see if i can find any patch notes pertaining to SLI/dual Nvidia updates.

Having the Low Quality Renderer enabled is key to getting decent FPS with 5 accounts on a single machine.
You really should overclock your CPU. There are plenty of guides and as long as you aren't messing with Voltages, you run no risk of damaging your hardware. The worst that could happen is your comp locks up.
Also, keep background instances running at a minimum rate ~10FPS.

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Originally Posted by Teslah

I have two GTX 295 2gig cards in the machine, so 4gigs video ram. Wondering if upgrading them would make a massive difference or just a slight difference.

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Depends on how many monitors you use, if you only use 2 monitors you wont need more then 2 bg vid ram.. 4 gb should be fine if you want to run more (cant say 100% sure tho, ive never run more then 2 monitors) maby you should try and clock the cards abitt, if your cooling can handel it

are you running the clients from the same game directory ?

Edit:
aaarg. Just figured it uses %APPDATA%\Rift on Vista and XP for the config files :eek: *dislike*

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Originally Posted by Lokked

Having the Low Quality Renderer enabled is key to getting decent FPS with 5 accounts on a single machine.
You really should overclock your CPU. There are plenty of guides and as long as you aren't messing with Voltages, you run no risk of damaging your hardware. The worst that could happen is your comp locks up.
Also, keep background instances running at a minimum rate ~10FPS.

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Thanks for the tips.

Are you setting the background instances to 10 frames in IS Boxer? If so, where is that setting?

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Originally Posted by Bloodcloud

are you running the clients from the same game directory ?

Where are the settings stored ? Registry or file ?

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One install, one directory. It does ok with all 5 running, just once in a while you get a little stalling or a character drops off follow. Usually during large rifts or in town.

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Originally Posted by Meeo

As far as i know the SLI Nvidia Optimization was not in yet, unless it was patched in the yesterday/for release day. They stated in their head-start podcast interview that they only had the ATI Crossfire optimization in. Last i heard is they were still working with Nvidia to get that done. Ill see if i can find any patch notes pertaining to SLI/dual Nvidia updates.

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I didn't know that. Thanks for letting me know. This will certainly help some once it is implemented.

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Originally Posted by Lokked

Having the Low Quality Renderer enabled is key to getting decent FPS with 5 accounts on a single machine.
You really should overclock your CPU. There are plenty of guides and as long as you aren't messing with Voltages, you run no risk of damaging your hardware. The worst that could happen is your comp locks up.
Also, keep background instances running at a minimum rate ~10FPS.

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For low rendering you are talking about settings in Rift correct? If so, yeah I have them all turned down except the main.

How does ISBOXER handle the resizing of the Clients for PiP.

any window frames appearing again ?

(in my current setup on HKN I can't resize the client windows on the fly without having the window frame appear again :(

maybe finally a reason to switch over to isboxer. :eek::confused:

@ OP
Keep in mind also that each GTX 295 is a dual GPU card, so you actually only have 1GB of video RAM per GPU.
Having said that, video RAM isn't that big of a deal unless you are using really high graphics settings at really high resolutions (i.e. Ultra at 2560x1600 per toon)

While I don't play Rift, I do play WoW with 5 toons and get silky smooth framerates on a 30" monitor. Each toon is running at 2560x1600, but with "low" graphics and "good" draw distance.
I get 60 FPS on main toon, 30FPS on slaves and I never get any stuttering or broken follows flying over Stormwind.

i5-2500K (stock speed)
8GB RAM
GTX 570
OCZ Vertex2 for OS
Crucial C300 for WoW

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Originally Posted by Bollwerk

@ OP
Keep in mind also that each GTX 295 is a dual GPU card, so you actually only have 1GB of video RAM per GPU.
Having said that, video RAM isn't that big of a deal unless you are using really high graphics settings at really high resolutions (i.e. Ultra at 2560x1600 per toon)

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My secondary monitors are Dell 30" 2560 X 1600 monitors. Only using one at the moment for the 4 slave clients.


Anyway, where do you set the background clients to 15fps in IS Boxer? At work at the moment and will adjust that later in the week when I get a chance to play. That might do that trick since they are all trying to run as high as they can right now.

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Originally Posted by Krago

I am running three accounts as follows:

I am using ISBoxer and I have the clients set up to cap at 30FPS when in the foreground and 15FPS when minimized.
I get pretty much 30FPS unless there is alot of activity on the screen.

I also have my main toon set up on Ultra settings all are running at 1920x1200

I have also noticed that over the last couple of days the game is much smoother with less stuttering.

My rig:

Core2Quad 9550
ATI 4970
8GB Ram
Windows 7 64

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I'm trying to figure out what I'm doing wrong.

I have a similar setup on Vista Ultimate 64 with an ATI 6850 I just put in there yesterday (up from an Nvidia 9800GT). My frame rates definitely got better, but I am not running the main toon in Ultra by any stretch of the imagination, and I still only see about 20-30 FPS on the main in unpopulated areas. In heavy population, it drops down to 10-15 fps.

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Originally Posted by Teslah

Anyway, where do you set the background clients to 15fps in IS Boxer?

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There's a setting in ISBoxer, click your char set, click under slots on the number one for the first char, and you'll see check boxes for "limit framerate in foreground/background to: "

Mine are set at wow defaults right now, after reading this thread I'll adjust them down tonight and see if it helps my fps any.

IMO one of the best things you can do to improve performance is run your copies from a SSD, that will net you the best performance increase looking at your current system specs.

Also I think the Trion dev team still has a lot of tweaks to do to get the game running better as a whole.

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Originally Posted by JamieW

I'm trying to figure out what I'm doing wrong.

I have a similar setup on Vista Ultimate 64 with an ATI 6850 I just put in there yesterday (up from an Nvidia 9800GT). My frame rates definitely got better, but I am not running the main toon in Ultra by any stretch of the imagination, and I still only see about 20-30 FPS on the main in unpopulated areas. In heavy population, it drops down to 10-15 fps.

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Are you running the same resolutions as I am and what are your system specs?

Also, my non-main toons are running on the low render settings.

I suspect that when I hit some buys spots it'll drop considerably.

I need to tool around with my setup and try to get it running more consistently, may cap the background clients to 10FPS and maybe the main window to 25FPS.

Also, need to OC my CPU and GPU and see what difference, if any, that makes.

Just run every on low lol. If its like any new mmo there is always something in your graphcis setting that sucks the life out of your pc. Give it time, it will get smoother.

Draw/view distance usually is a huge one.
Also having all your slaves on one dedicated pc is key, with main on it's own.

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Originally Posted by Krago

Are you running the same resolutions as I am and what are your system specs?

Also, my non-main toons are running on the low render settings.

I suspect that when I hit some buys spots it'll drop considerably.

I need to tool around with my setup and try to get it running more consistently, may cap the background clients to 10FPS and maybe the main window to 25FPS.

Also, need to OC my CPU and GPU and see what difference, if any, that makes.

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Q9550 Quad Core
8GB Ram
Vista Ultimate 64
ATI 6850 1GB Vid Card

Not running on an SSD right now, since I haven't reclaimed it from a different computer, but I expect that will only help a bit.

I did take all 3 off of the low-render setting when I got the new video card, so maybe I'll set the 2nd 2 back to that so that I can get better graphics on the main.

Oh, and I'm running them at 1680x788. Maybe a non-standard resolution is causing it problems, too?

I run 5 using a 950 OC'd to 4GHz and 24GB of ram. I'm also using 2 MSI GTX 560 Ti's OC'd to 950/1900/2100. I use 2 1920x1200 monitors and run the game in FS at 1920x1200.

I play on the low setting and get 40-45ish fps on the main screen.

IMO, the biggest performance bottleneck in Rift is CPU, then RAM size, then GPU.

The other thing I noticed last night while playing is that one of CPUs in 80% or so loaded while the other three are like 40%. This is from memory, so I will confirm tonight but I know one CPU was working alot harder than the other three.

JamieW: Are you using ISBoxer? If not, you could try setting the other clients to use window mode and then scale them down and see if that helps.

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Originally Posted by Krago

The other thing I noticed last night while playing is that one of CPUs in 80% or so loaded while the other three are like 40%. This is from memory, so I will confirm tonight but I know one CPU was working alot harder than the other three.

JamieW: Are you using ISBoxer? If not, you could try setting the other clients to use window mode and then scale them down and see if that helps.

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All clients launch set to run primarily on Core 3. You can configuer each instance to run on different cores in your .cfg files ( if windows lets you >< ).


http://isboxer.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=18&t=1090


Note Amrathes comment :

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There is another thing you need to do in Rift to make it load balance onto another core.

In the rift.cfg for your characters located in C:\Users\<username>\appdata\local\RIFT (the files are virtualized, so you will see <Charactername>-rift.cfg) look for a setting called Main CPU Thread (it defaulted to 3 on my i7 920). Change that setting to a different core for each account (in my case I set it to maincputhread = 3 on one character and maincputhread = 5 on the other).

If you do that, you will have the primary thread for each account on a different cpu core. After making that change I went from core 3 tapped at 100% to core 3 and 5 tapped at about 80% each.

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Set different clients to run primarily on core 1, 3, 5, 7 in the listed file.

Note I found this file in C:\Users\<username>\appdata\roaming\RIFT not C:\Users\<username>\appdata\local\RIFT

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Originally Posted by Berserker

I run 5 using a 950 OC'd to 4GHz and 24GB of ram. I'm also using 2 MSI GTX 560 Ti's OC'd to 950/1900/2100. I use 2 1920x1200 monitors and run the game in FS at 1920x1200.

I play on the low setting and get 40-45ish fps on the main screen.

IMO, the biggest performance bottleneck in Rift is CPU, then RAM size, then GPU.

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Agree with this.

I have an i7-920, 12Gb of RAM (upped from 6Gb this week for Rift) and a single 470GTX, overclocked to 480 levels.


Single monitor at 1920x1200, I could only run 3-4 clients. Overclocked the CPU to 3.8Ghz and get 40+ FPS with 5 clients on one maching using ISBoxer.


http://www.dual-boxing.com/showpost....38&postcount=8

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Originally Posted by Berserker

IMO, the biggest performance bottleneck in Rift is CPU, then RAM size, then GPU.

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I completely agree with this, and is why you get the largest performance increase by overclocking your CPU.

I'll have ISBoxer for each client to it's CPU and see how that works.

I believe you can also set you maincputhread = 0 in the main cfg file (*before* starting your set with the wizard, or all of em if you've already done so) and then ISBoxer will be able to do its assignment magic. I mine was set to 0 during beta (was running a core 2 duo machine then) and see load balanced cores when playing on the i7 now.

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Originally Posted by Krago

The other thing I noticed last night while playing is that one of CPUs in 80% or so loaded while the other three are like 40%. This is from memory, so I will confirm tonight but I know one CPU was working alot harder than the other three.

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1 CPU may also work harder as other applications running may be using slices.

So, I had ISBoxer assign the clients to a seperate core and now everything is as it should be.

I also capped the main window to 25FPS and the background ones to 10FPS and it's a lot smoother now.

QQ

My system :
GTX 280 + OC Quad core + 8GB of Ram + eVGA nforce 790i MB

http://www.cute-one.com/misc/cpu.png

2 clients perfect (with high settings)
3 clients doable (with medium settings)
4 clients doable (with low settings) but flaky
5 clients undoable (with lowlow settings) /follow moves clients in all directions, because they try to follow each other and then move away ..

cores allocated : 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 3+4 (capped to 20 FPS/10FPS)

waiting for my upgrade to arrive:
* i7 950 / 3.06Ghz
* ASUS Rampage II Extreme RoG
* 10 GB Corsair Dominator Memory
* ASUS EAH5870/G/2DIS/1GD5/V2

Hopefully this will enable 5 clients at decent settings.

(My old system was running perfectly for 5 clients WOW)

Let me know how that 5870 works out for you Bloodcloud.

I have a 4970 and want to wait until the 7 series comes out as I try and upgrade every third model release ( if possible ).

I have been contemplating building a 2nd system around an AMD X6 and using it as my main multiboxing rig, or pairing it up with my current machine and runing them in tandem.

http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:A...KySysYRNOeCIsc

With the lowest of Low settings (there is a tick in the video options to switch of ???) I can now run a 5 boxing team reasonably fast even with my current setup :)

No clutter on the ground, which even has the advantages of seeing every loot-able item better, and the squirrels for easy killing them :)

Good stuff!

I bought my 4th account last night and was able to get it up and running on the lowest of the low settings as well. Now you have me wanting to add the 5th and final account. :)

I have 5 but was getting prepared to resign myself to just using 4 last night... i can run around fine with 5 (15-20fps, feels reasonably OK) but when I attempt to go into combat, my machine shits the bed. I ran at an invasion with 5 mobs and screen locked, was dead when it came back up. And really, if I cant do rift play etc then whats the point?

I havent tried dropping to the LOWEST LOWEST though. I wonder what it looks like. I will have to try it tonight =P

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Originally Posted by Redbeard

I have 5 but was getting prepared to resign myself to just using 4 last night... i can run around fine with 5 (15-20fps, feels reasonably OK) but when I attempt to go into combat, my machine shits the bed. I ran at an invasion with 5 mobs and screen locked, was dead when it came back up. And really, if I cant do rift play etc then whats the point?

I havent tried dropping to the LOWEST LOWEST though. I wonder what it looks like. I will have to try it tonight =P

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Have you done this yet?

http://www.dual-boxing.com/showthread.php?t=35206

If not, make the change. You'll see a massive difference. I was not able to run more than 4 accounts without major lag, 10fps and so on. I changed one file and now I can get 30fps on all 5. No other changes, hardware, settings needed. Click the link above and try it to see if it works.

The other thing I noticed a couple nights ago, is that after the loader exits and the client starts up, it leaves an instance of rifterrorhandler.exe running for each client you start.

This process loads the CPU and caused a lot of slowness on my PC.
After starting all the clients up, make sure you kill the rifterrorhandler.exe process for each client.

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Originally Posted by Teslah

Have you done this yet?

http://www.dual-boxing.com/showthread.php?t=35206

If not, make the change. You'll see a massive difference. I was not able to run more than 4 accounts without major lag, 10fps and so on. I changed one file and now I can get 30fps on all 5. No other changes, hardware, settings needed. Click the link above and try it to see if it works.

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aye: cores allocated in ISB : 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 3+4 (capped to 20 FPS/10FPS)

AND changed the files as soon as I read about it (which was obsolete because ISB handles this now for me )

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Originally Posted by Krago

The other thing I noticed a couple nights ago, is that after the loader exits and the client starts up, it leaves an instance of rifterrorhandler.exe running for each client you start.

This process loads the CPU and caused a lot of slowness on my PC.
After starting all the clients up, make sure you kill the rifterrorhandler.exe process for each client.

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hmm, might give that a try tonight.

If I remember correctly, the Rampage II Extremes are around the same price as the P6X58D-E, and I would recommend the P6X58D Mobos. This one has USB 3.0 and 2x 6GB/s SATA connections (which makes a difference if you are going to use an SSD). It also has 3-way SLI, if you ever lose your mind and buy 3 vid cards.