Thinking of calling it a day....

So I have only been playing WOW for just coming up to four 4 months now. (I played a long time ago until the day Wrath came out and then quit the very day it came out - at that time I was just playing one account).

Then I came back and bought 5 accounts.

When Cata came out and I continued to level up my guys and now I hit 85 and I decided to put my guys on hold while I level my tank's ilvl and general gear because I was finding it too hard to run instances.

Now I just can't find the motivation to play with them any more?

After running all of the instances I think to myself...

Dead Mines... impossible as a multiboxer.
- Good luck clicking all the ropes at the end...
- Good luck moving through the electrostatic turn wheels..
- Good luck avoiding the rotating fire on the first boss and maintaining high amount of AOE dps on the adds while nuking the boss

Grim Batol... good luck with...
- The obscene movement on the third boss and avoiding the fire which consumes 80% of the room and avoiding the elemetal goos which track down your players
- On the fourth boss it is impossible to stack up slowing down the adds reaching the eggs...

Throne of Tides
- The final boss is just impossible

Stonecore
- The final boss.. you have to do about eight things here all at once

So, in complete, I think the only instance on heroic which you can farm as a multiboxer is Vortex Pinnacle. Seeing as I can't get epics unless I run raids with my guys, which blatently won't happen, I can't see how it is going to be possible for me to get any enjoyment out of the game any more multiboxing.

Instead, I am just using my 85's as AH alts and amassing an absolute fortune. I think I'm up to about 120k in liquid gold and I have over 150k on all my guys in statistics for gold acquired, not to mention I just bought 7 BOEs for my Paladin tank this week at 15k average each.

I don't know if I can see the light at the end of the tunnel! But for now, my guys have become glorified bank alts.

I may....and I mean may (if I can suffer the grind to 80), hit 85 so it makes running old world raids easier.

I should be able to murder the twin emps (even c'thun) at level 85. That would be cool. And BWL would go in a jiffy, then I can finally do the level 70 raids.

Kalyse, we go through the same cycles.

An expansion comes out, and the initial heroics are impossible or very hard. A few boxers can do them, but most cannot. Strategies are shared, and with a lot of practice the first few bosses are downed. For the longest time, my best PvE team could only kill four or five out of fifty or so bosses.

Over time, especially as higher tiers of gear is released, for the same challenge (heroics) the rewards are greater. In three months or so, when the current 10/25 man raid rewards become the rewards from heroics (basically whenever new raid content is introduced) heroics will reward us with better gear than is required to defeat them. This starts the snowball effect. A raid tier after that, and heroics reward gear two tiers higher than is required to do heroics. At which point, they become a total joke for the last year to year and a half of the expansion; reaching the point where all the trash mobs are AoE'd down and we clear them in six to ten minutes or so.

It can help to one-box your Tank class through random dungeons, to get gear which makes the entire team that much more effective. You can also gear up through pvp if you find that more fun; pvp gear won't be as good for pve as pve gear but it might be a decent start.

You can also farm herbs/ores/leather, etc. Play the auction house. Run dailies, and build to the point where you can buy gear from the auction house, in particular for your tank but to a slightly lesser degree also for your main healer toon on your team.

It comes down to this one important thing - are you having fun?

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Originally Posted by Ualaa

It comes down to this one important thing - are you having fun?

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That's my problem. I'm still having fun, so I can't call it quits. :D

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Originally Posted by Ualaa

Kalyse, we go through the same cycles.

An expansion comes out, and the initial heroics are impossible or very hard. A few boxers can do them, but most cannot. Strategies are shared, and with a lot of practice the first few bosses are downed. For the longest time, my best PvE team could only kill four or five out of fifty or so bosses.

Over time, especially as higher tiers of gear is released, for the same challenge (heroics) the rewards are greater. In three months or so, when the current 10/25 man raid rewards become the rewards from heroics (basically whenever new raid content is introduced) heroics will reward us with better gear than is required to defeat them. This starts the snowball effect. A raid tier after that, and heroics reward gear two tiers higher than is required to do heroics. At which point, they become a total joke for the last year to year and a half of the expansion; reaching the point where all the trash mobs are AoE'd down and we clear them in six to ten minutes or so.

It can help to one-box your Tank class through random dungeons, to get gear which makes the entire team that much more effective. You can also gear up through pvp if you find that more fun; pvp gear won't be as good for pve as pve gear but it might be a decent start.

You can also farm herbs/ores/leather, etc. Play the auction house. Run dailies, and build to the point where you can buy gear from the auction house, in particular for your tank but to a slightly lesser degree also for your main healer toon on your team.

It comes down to this one important thing - are you having fun?

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ALSO, Blizz will start to nerf bosses, e.g. Ionar in HoL, caused many boxers a ton of issues and then he got nerfed. What is not possible today in full blues in 6 months will be nerfed to allow a team in greens to clear the easier bosses.

I am amassing gold and doing dailies for Rep at present, no success in heroics so far, even some of the regular dungeons I have not completed but I am not losing sleep over them due to it being so early in the expansion.

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Originally Posted by crowdx

ALSO, Blizz will start to nerf bosses, e.g. Ionar in HoL, caused many boxers a ton of issues and then he got nerfed. What is not possible today in full blues in 6 months will be nerfed to allow a team in greens to clear the easier bosses.

I am amassing gold and doing dailies for Rep at present, no success in heroics so far, even some of the regular dungeons I have not completed but I am not losing sleep over them due to it being so early in the expansion.

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This is true. Also, we don't yet have the high-end crafted epics like we did in WotLK. Once the hardcore min/maxers get the recipes, that should ease things up a bit.

What Ualaa and Crowdx said.

Fortunately for me I am an altoholic, so I am always late to reach high level. In WOTLK, coming late an benefiting from the experience of others and possible patches, I could hardly believe what I read here about this or that boss being impossible.

Just level another group (or four) to kill a month or two.

In Wotlk I focussed mainly on pvp with 4 shaman. Atm I somewhat CBA to level them because I don't feel like PVPing. I created a lock/mage/shaman/priest/paladin tank for pve purposes on my old realm. I couldn't be arsed with all the phasing and whatnot so now i'm solo playing the 5 characters. 3x 85, 2x 83 and I'm definitely enjoying it. It's sooo awesome to get instant queue with mage by queueing with tank and instantly leaving. Instead of having to wait 30 minutes like the average joe.

Also Doing AH business while waiting for a tank, for whatnot. gotta love it.

I don't know if i'll ever box a heroic, but at the moment I really don't care :) I'm having fun now, that's what matters for me.

Stonecore
- The final boss.. you have to do about eight things here all at once
Dead Mines... impossible as a multiboxer.
- Good luck avoiding the rotating fire on the first boss and maintaining high amount of AOE dps on the adds while nuking the boss

These have all been multi-boxed. Farm the easy ones get your gear up or wait for nerfs I guess. Try pvp, but if you aren't having fun find something else. It happens maybe try 1 toon and see if you enjoy wow at all in different aspects.

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Originally Posted by Toned

Stonecore
- The final boss.. you have to do about eight things here all at once
Dead Mines... impossible as a multiboxer.
- Good luck avoiding the rotating fire on the first boss and maintaining high amount of AOE dps on the adds while nuking the boss

These have all been multi-boxed.

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Yeah, but with what group? We've had this discussion before where pally+shams were ezmode in heroics and melee teams had to suck it hard until they geared up. My point is, if you're basically saying "lol l2multibox" then that isn't exactly helpful. Some of us are obviously having a good run so far with certain groups (usually ones with lots of passive/active healing) and a lot of us have an extremely difficult time with all the AoE (melee teams in particular).

/shrug

Sometimes taking a break is the best thing to do. Once it stops being fun, step back and leave it for a while. The urge will return at some point and you'll progress. It might seem slow, but as long as you're enjoying it, that's what matters.

remember, it's just a month since the game launched. We've got at least another year, and probably somewhere between 18-24 months before the next expansion. Those heroics aren't going anywhere, and as others have said they will likely be nerfed at some point. And if they're not, you'll wind up with ilvl 400-500 gear that will make them easy to farm. Before long you'll be considering if you should quit because you are bored with farming easy heroics and cannot wait for the next expac. :)

Honestly, take a break if you think you need it. I haven't done any heroics with my boxers, other than the. First boss of vortex. I understand your frustration.
I've got alts and as soon as I read the 9000 page thread on dk pvp, I'm gonna dip my toes in to that. However, if you feel you need a break, take it. The accounts will be there waiting when you come back and you'll have an extra $75 a month to blow somewhere else. :p


Hell, get some exercise and fresh air for ME! Haha.

In WoTLK you could get ilevel 240-250 without a single boss kill (pvp and crafts), whereas raiders were 260-270 iirc.

Its just not that big of a gap between raiders and non raiders in wow to worry about it for pvp.

Im doing AH right now buy up Cata's at $30 a pop on ebay. Got JC and ALK (6 of them) to 525 and only that Twilight Highland recipes are stopping my tailor, LC etc. from 525.

Money just flowing in .... 6-10K a day.

Netherweave bags at 20g each and I have 2-3 banks full of bolts of cloth.

At this stage of WotLK, you could purchase iLV 200 Titansteel gear, and you could get iLV 213 or so from Naxx raids.

Heroics dropped iLV 200 gear and badges which were used for iLV 200 gear.

By the end of WotLK, you could purchase some iLV 264 gear, and heroics were still balanced against a team in a mix of iLV 187-200 gear.

I've been on hiatus myself since a little before Cata launch. Really just was bored of WOW despite all the new stuff just laid out before me with this expansion. I decided to not buy Cata and have been trying out some of the bajillion awesome games out there I've missed while playing WOW.

Still WOW is like a drug... To change how you live after so long of playing WOW is difficult for some. You find yourself with all this free time and being a boxer extra money. Used my money I would have spent on subs to buy DC Universe that I will start Tuesday =)

So far have played Black Ops, Fallout 2, Force Unleashed 2, Mafia 2, and some City of Heroes. You do start to miss WOW around the 3rd month. Especially if you're like me and still read about what everyone is doing. One thing I always have to keep in mind is the game isn't going anywhere. I'll be back one day but I'm in no rush.

Take some time off and see how you feel. WOW is always so much more amazing after a long break.

I'm pretty sure, if you continue gaming on the PC, you'll be back to Warcraft eventually.

But if you get a different hobby entirely, that does not involve gaming on a computer... you stand a good chance of not returning to warcraft.

Not saying warcraft is good or bad, just that it is addictive.

I've yet to try a heroic, just finishing up the lvl 85 zones, need a few more gear points before i can queue.

I always thought I was decent at multi-boxing, but then would see someone say X or Y boss was easy while I was wiping on it. I came into Cata poor so haven't been able to buy any gear upgrades at lvl 85. I'm not finding the lvl 85 normals easy, so I imagine my progression will mostly halt once I start trying heroics.

I've gone through this is fun to I F#$king hate this wanting to through my keyboard on the floor. The latest keyboard throwing almost occurred after I added a new ground based spell and most of screwed something up (again) as mid way through the fight I notice my guys wouldn't auto follow were running in different directions etc.

Anyway, I hear ya, I basically set the number of wipes I will do, then after that I run dailies , play solo, quest etc. After a bit I'm ready to try again.

on the bright side my skill boxing is way better than before the exp. I can now CC without blinking, moving is getting pretty good.

Though I'm still not with the uber boxers, I read Toned's description of the first boss in Halls of Origination heroic and though, "Um, you did what?" Not thinking I could even try that yet...

I've been saving all the melee shaman gear while I've been dungeon crawling as I think that might be fun to try as a solo char.

As others said, I would take a break, or play solo and then revist again later.

I myself am taking a break on multiboxing till things eighther get eased up on heroics via nerf or new raid zone via content patch so that we can have more ways to use Jps. I farmed all the needed JP items for my team, and made my epic items on few characters. I managed to down few new heroic bosses such as the BRC first boss (second was just plain practice but usualy am just tired of trying. I know it can be done, it has been done by some of us).

I have done what I could, so now am just on solo account till things get more accesible to me. Maybe in a few months after first content patch gets released will reactivate other 4 to try new things that can be done.

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Originally Posted by Kalyse

- Good luck avoiding the rotating fire on the first boss and maintaining high amount of AOE dps on the adds while nuking the boss.

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Funny how you rate this as "impossible to multibox". I got the achievement Ready for Raiding the very first time i tried multiboxing this boss! It wasn't even that hard with my caster group: strafe and follow to walk in a circle, ignored the adds, only nuke boss whenever possible.

Of course heroics are hard, as they should be! But, with some practise and gear upgrades you will be able to clear all of them. Problem is that ppl are so used to over-gearing content (Wrath iLvL 200 heroics in iLvL 264 gear etc.) that everything feels hard now that we actually need to pay attention to what we are doing.

IMO every cata instance that has been released can be multiboxed, just maybe not before 346+ gear.

Did that lost city heroic with just my pally tank in a pug, ilvl oof 342 and aoe'd down every trash pack and healer didn't go below 70% mana. I don't think we are too far away from heroics being easy mode. I remember at the start of wotlk, bosses took 1-2 mins, then near the end they took 14-17 seconds.

I'd say first and 2nd bosses in stone core are harder than the 3rd and 4th.
Lightning rotation in deadmines is easy to box, stack all your dudes and use broadcasting movement keys to navigate it. The rotating fire and ropes im not sure about though.

But yea, soon we will be nuking the bosses to kingdom come. At the moment, I'm enjoying the relative hardness of heroics solo play on my tank. It's refreshing, reminds me of the cc requires ment of BC heroics.

I dropped from 5 boxxing to 2 boxxing mid-WOTLK (after a 6 month wow break), find it more fun. I dual box all the dailies, zone quests, etc so I only have to rep up once. I single box heroics (twice a day basically), I run a dk/mage so its insta-Q as tank which is nice. Having fun with wow that way, plus I raid with a guild. Still, after a month of cata getting kinda bored and looking at Rift in the betas.

imo 5 boxing PVE is kinda dead for most people, sure you can wait 6 months until you overgear everything but that seems the equivalent of using cheat codes in a game, whats the point. LFD really killed it for me, before that it was sort of hard getting groups together for heroic dungeons so 5 boxing made a lot of sense, and for the holiday events it was nice soloing stuff so you could give nice drops to "your main". LFD makes finding a group a breeze, and they changed the holiday stuff so everything is bop.

It'll be interesting to see how PVP goes, rated BGs seem kinda lackluster/dead compared to arenas still, but if Blizzard tweaks the rewards to heavily favor rated BGs I think you'll see arenas also slowly die off. No clue if multiboxers have a easier/worse time in rated BGs.

I've taken this expansion alot differently than I thought I would.

I've got my guys to 85, done a few normals and got geared enoguh to get into heroics. I've got a decent healing set and tanking set on my Pally (my main) and I've started raiding with my Guild.

I'll jump at the chance to do a heroic with my guild rather than box it. I'm finding at the moment that when I have time to play that there is just so much to get done I dont get aroudn to boxing much.

I try and do my Tol Barad dailies to max out the rep but I've missed heaps of days because it takes me about an hour and a half just to do all the dailies on both islands.

I've thought about stopping boxing a number of times in the last month - the main thing stopping me is I just paid for Cata on all accounts and I have 6 month subs on all accounts. Plus I really like having professions on all my Shamans.

Just really struggling to see a point of doing it anymore sometimes, I know if I push thru the gear / rep grind I'll enjoy mastering hte heroics but the expansion design feels so copy paste. Here are your reps, grind them. Here are your dailies grind them to get shoulder enchant and trinkets. Here are your heroics grind them to be able to raid.

I'm enjoying raiding just find EVERYTHIGN else so mundane and dull.