hard time deciding class make up to begin with...

I've been reading and interacting in some other posts trying to get this decided. But it seems to be a little difficult based on trying to leverage what I have. So I'll put this out to see if you experts can help direct me. I am trying to think of a way to leverage the 70s that I currently have if possible in order to do mostly PVE instance farming, but I guess I don't mind replacing any of the toons I have for "the team". If I have to level up 5 new toons , I will enjoy it anyway. I don't know much about pali or shamy. I'm currently very weak in understanding the macros and key mapping and stuff I'm sure this is going to be VERY challenging for me at this beginning level. I'm on a pvp server, so I would like to be able to handle ganks as much as possible in my group also.

I currently have:
- lvl 70 4/5 T4 Feral Druid tank main that I really enjoy playing.
- lvl 70 Shadow Priest decked out in full S1 gear that I just got geared up to attempt doing arenas on. He used to be my main as raid healer pre-tbc , but got bored healing and just used him for xmutes and pots after tbc came out.
- 58 rogue I'm leveling with my gf who has a 60 Boomkin now, she will most likely respec resto soon. ( I only mention this because she probably will fill in my multi-box group on pve/pvp runs when she is available, but I'm not counting on her being there all of the time so I need to think about heals for the team.)

Standard PVE groups look like tank , heals, 3 dps. I'm thinking I could use my Druid for tank, S.Priest for (weak) heals, and three dps that I can't figure out (3mage/3lock/2 mage-1lock/2 lock -1 mage/ 3 shamy/ ). I made a pali just in case I should replace my druid tank with the pali to make it easier if it is in fact easier, but I really am not sure where to go with this at this point. any suggestions ?

TIA
Mac

well from a pve perspective.... hands down the best DPS class is a destruction warlock, 0/21/40.

Druid will work good for a single target tank; palladin works better for group tanking and less micro-managing.

S.Priest will not cut it for healing any heroics. Period. Respec him Holy for PoMending fun (tank to life-tap to tank). Alternatively, you could use the S. Priest to feed mana to your locks, marginally increase healing (enough to support a life-tap every now and then) and increase the locks damage I believe.

You already have a decently geared Tank.. which makes it hard to justify rolling a new tank. Although for a boxer, a pally is a no-brainer IMHO.
Anyhow, I suggest warlock x 3, convert S.Priest to healer or warlock x 2, and roll another healer.

Thank you for the reply.

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Originally Posted by 'xum',index.php?page=Thread&postID=31927#post31927

well from a pve perspective.... hands down the best DPS class is a destruction warlock, 0/21/40.

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I'm not familiar with locks, but always wanted one. I read that they should be affliction until the time they get felguard, than should be heavy in the demonology spec, so I was interested to see your comment saying destruction is best. Can you link a destruction spec that reflects the numbers you've provided 0/21/40 ( sorry, I never know where people are applying points when they just refer to a spec with the numbers)?

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Originally Posted by 'xum',index.php?page=Thread&postID=31927#post31927

Druid will work good for a single target tank; palladin works better for group tanking and less micro-managing.

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I can multi mobs fine with my druid under normal circumstances, 1,2,3 mobes are easy, after that it can get get tricky depending on the situation, people don't usually die when I'm tanking, but I find its a lot of work keeping control of more then 3 in light CC situations. So, with all of the input here on the boards about ease of tanking with a Pali as it relates to multi-boxing, I will probably roll one to see if it really makes a difference. I'm so used to tanking on my druid, I figured to make him the main toon I was driving and have the ranged and healer be the drones. If a pali is that much better for multi-boxing, I will be happy to roll one. I guess we will find out how much truth there is to that from a druid tank perspective. I would look forward to being able to pot without shifting lol...

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Originally Posted by 'xum',index.php?page=Thread&postID=31927#post31927

S.Priest will not cut it for healing any heroics. Period. Respec him Holy for PoMending fun (tank to life-tap to tank). Alternatively, you could use the S. Priest to feed mana to your locks, marginally increase healing (enough to support a life-tap every now and then) and increase the locks damage I believe.

You already have a decently geared Tank.. which makes it hard to justify rolling a new tank. Although for a boxer, a pally is a no-brainer IMHO.
Anyhow, I suggest warlock x 3, convert S.Priest to healer or warlock x 2, and roll another healer.

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Sorry, I didn't understand your "(tank to life-tap to tank)" comment? Agreed that S.priest won't cut it healing heroics. They do contribute to lock dmg and are good mana batteries, but I think the mana issue is a secondary concern. If the targets drop fast mana wo'nt be the concern. Which leads me to think drop the spriest for the third lock ...or mage for cc, drinks and ports?

It would seem a no-brainer to re-spec my priest holy in that case, but he has very crude + heal gear atm and I've been so stuck on keeping him dmg for pvp that its hard to consider switching him back to holy, but he may have to take one for the team. Since I'm considering rolling a pali tank for this project, maybe I'll roll a holy priest too *shudder* . Holy priest party heals seem like would be the best idea for multi boxing. I think that trumps the benefits of single target heals of pali or druid , but I may be wrong about that. Can someone comment why they would think another healing class other then a priest would be better for a pve multi-box team?

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Originally Posted by 'Mac',index.php?page=Thread&postID=31983#post31983

It would seem a no-brainer to re-spec my priest holy in that case, but he has very crude + heal gear atm and I've been so stuck on keeping him dmg for pvp that its hard to consider switching him back to holy, but he may have to take one for the team. Since I'm considering rolling a pali tank for this project, maybe I'll roll a holy priest too *shudder* . Holy priest party heals seem like would be the best idea for multi boxing. I think that trumps the benefits of single target heals of pali or druid , but I may be wrong about that. Can someone comment why they would think another healing class other then a priest would be better for a pve multi-box team?

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Since you already have a lvl 70 tank and priest, I'd respec holy and start with those two. A mage is very handy for AoE/ports/vending, lock for soulstone/pets, and shaman for totems/chain lit/heal. I don't think you can go wrong with any combination of those three, athough 3 of the same would be easiest to handle.
As for another healing class outside a priest, I thought a 2x paladin / 3x dps set would be fun. A great AoE tank combined with extra aura & buffs from a fantastic single target healer, followed by.. 3 shaman for totems & chain lit/heals. All 5 would be in mail or plate, so very little squishiness. :)

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Originally Posted by 'Mac',index.php?page=Thread&postID=31983#post31983

It would seem a no-brainer to re-spec my priest holy in that case, but he has very crude + heal gear atm and I've been so stuck on keeping him dmg for pvp that its hard to consider switching him back to holy, but he may have to take one for the team. Since I'm considering rolling a pali tank for this project, maybe I'll roll a holy priest too *shudder* . Holy priest party heals seem like would be the best idea for multi boxing. I think that trumps the benefits of single target heals of pali or druid , but I may be wrong about that. Can someone comment why they would think another healing class other then a priest would be better for a pve multi-box team?

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Since you already have a lvl 70 tank and priest, I'd respec holy and start with those two. A mage is very handy for AoE/ports/vending, lock for soulstone/pets, and shaman for totems/chain lit/heal. I don't think you can go wrong with any combination of those three, athough 3 of the same would be easiest to handle.
As for another healing class outside a priest, I thought a 2x paladin / 3x dps set would be fun. A great AoE tank combined with extra aura & buffs from a fantastic single target healer, followed by.. 3 shaman for totems & chain lit/heals. All 5 would be in mail or plate, so very little squishiness. :)

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*facepalm*



THIS IS THE GENERAL FORUM



BEGINNERS HAVEN THAT WAY



*sigh*

So you have
Account 1.70 Druid Tank
Account 2.70 Priest in S1 & Shadow gear
and 3 more new accounts?
Account 3
Account 4

Account 5


I like the idea of creating "alts" in each account that does different thing then my main. And each character would have a Primary role, and Secondary role (tank, healer, dps).

So, Account 1 have a Druid tank 1st, and Healer / Boomkin, 2nd. I'd roll a DPS caster class like a mage/warlock.

Account 2, Priest is DPS 1st, and healer 2nd. I'd consider rolling a tank in this spot, but not yet since you have 3 other accounts. I'd stick with a DPS spell caster class like a mage/warlock.

That leaves 3 accounts.
Account3.Tank
Account4.Healer
Account5.DPS

Level 1 to 12, quest.

At level 10, get the quests for Rage Fire Chasm (1 in UC, 2 in Orim, 2 in TB).
Also, doing class quest help you gain some exp while helping each toon.

I would keep these 5 quests in one character and not turn in (A Mage would be great) (why? 4 of the quest are shareable, and in the future twinks/alts, you can share them and have your Mage to complete the quest without traveling to the other cities at the time, and giving them a port there after).

I would use your Account1.Druid to clear RFC with Account 2 to 5.

Then I'd reset and clear the instance again, leaving the objective mobs alone.
Log out the Druid and login the S Priest, kill the objective with the Account1.DPS (Even with Account 3-5 leaching some exp) . :)

From 14 on out, until you get quests for Wailing Caverns; then repeat with Druid & Shadow Priest to get Account1.DPS get his instance quests complete.

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Originally Posted by '-silencer-',index.php?page=Thread&postID=31985#post31985

I thought a 2x paladin / 3x dps set would be fun. A great AoE tank combined with extra aura & buffs from a fantastic single target healer, followed by.. 3 shaman for totems & chain lit/heals. All 5 would be in mail or plate, so very little squishiness. :)

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I was thinking this too, but I was wondering why you would think so? I noticed your siggy - you had 4 shaman and 1 pali, from the videos I've seen around, It doesn't look like anyone needs the extra heals from another pali, with 4 or 5 shamen they seem to do fine healing on their own.

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*facepalm*
THIS IS THE GENERAL FORUM
BEGINNERS HAVEN THAT WAY
*sigh*

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mods, feel free to move this thread to the beginner haven so Zseth doesn't blow a gasket.

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Originally Posted by 'Sanctume',index.php?page=Thread&postID=31995#post 31995

So you have
Account 1.70 Druid Tank
Account 2.70 Priest in S1 & Shadow gear
and 3 more new accounts?
Account 3
Account 4
Account 5

I like the idea of creating "alts" in each account that does different thing then my main. And each character would have a Primary role, and Secondary role (tank, healer, dps).
So, Account 1 have a Druid tank 1st, and Healer / Boomkin, 2nd. I'd roll a DPS caster class like a mage/warlock.
Account 2, Priest is DPS 1st, and healer 2nd. I'd consider rolling a tank in this spot, but not yet since you have 3 other accounts. I'd stick with a DPS spell caster class like a mage/warlock.
That leaves 3 accounts.
Account3.Tank
Account4.Healer
Account5.DPS

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Thanks for the suggestions on account and questing strategy. Currently my Druid and Priest are on the same account. I was having this conversation to try and decide what to do with them. If I re-spec the priest holy, I'll move him to another account so the druid and the priest are on separate accounts.

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Originally Posted by 'Mac',index.php?page=Thread&postID=32050#post32050

Thanks for the suggestions on account and questing strategy. Currently my Druid and Priest are on the same account. I was having this conversation to try and decide what to do with them. If I re-spec the priest holy, I'll move him to another account so the druid and the priest are on separate accounts.

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I think having multi-70s spread out would give you some diverse things to try later on.

Suppose you created
1.Dps same account as Druid
2.Dps same account as Priest
3.Tank
4.Healer
5.Dps

You will be in the position to mix in a Dru or
Priest as DPS if an encounter calls for it.

And most importanly, you'll have your 5 levelled for the your main purpose of 5-boxing.

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Originally Posted by 'Mac',index.php?page=Thread&postID=32050#post32050

Thanks for the suggestions on account and questing strategy. Currently my Druid and Priest are on the same account. I was having this conversation to try and decide what to do with them. If I re-spec the priest holy, I'll move him to another account so the druid and the priest are on separate accounts.

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I think having multi-70s spread out would give you some diverse things to try later on.

Suppose you created
1.Dps same account as Druid
2.Dps same account as Priest
3.Tank
4.Healer
5.Dps

You will be in the position to mix in a Dru or
Priest as DPS if an encounter calls for it.

And most importantly, you'll have your 5 leveled for the your main purpose of 5-boxing.

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I had a vague idea of what I was trying to accomplish but could't get it to gel, from my newbie perspective you seem to be on the right path here.
If I just moved my priest over to another account, I could accomplish a simple two box setup with my two 70s now.
With the two 70s on separate accounts I could use them alternately boost the other new group(s) as needed.

When I talk about PoMending hops from tank to life tap....
1) Lifetap; Warlock Spell; Drains x amount of health from Warlock converting it to mana.
Tank would take damage, PoM procs, hops to a lock. Lock Lifetaps, PoM procs, hops to either the tank or another lock.

I agree that mage would add some more utility. As for spec'n the locks demonology... I did this at 54 way back when. I was killing less mobs per minute, with higher downtime. Pure affliction is the best drain tanking PvE setup, and pre-TBC it will enable to you to tank 5-6 mobs at any given point, while maintaining 70%+ hp/mana utilizing instant Howl of Terror, Voidwalker holding agro on 1-2 for 5-6 seconds, Death Coil, single target fear, drain life, and the 4 dots you have available (most times I would skip siphon life as it is mana taxing). Also note, I twinked level 39, had somewhere around +250 shadow damage, and used the SAME gear until I hit outlands. Baller, I know :P

For destruction to be effective, you need +202 hit rating, 20%+ crit, and ~900 +dmg.
The spec is something similiar to this HERE

With three locks, you could change the levels of Improved Healthstone to be 0,1, and 2 of 2, giving you 3 healthstones per toon.
Generally you sacrifice your succubus using demonic sacrifice, gaining 15% shadow damage. Then you spam shadowbolts.

Raid proven the highest DPS spec.

From my perspective, given I have been having a similar struggle, I'd do the following

1. Keep druid as MT
2. Keep SP as dps1
3. New account, create paladin. This will be your MT for a group of three while you level
4. New account, create warlock/mage. This will be dps2 and part of three man leveling crew
5. New account, create warlock/mage. This will be dps3 and part of three man leveling crew

When you then get 3, 4, 5 to level 70 you respec paladin to holy and you have MT, a healer that can handle catching agro and 3 dps with good synergy. You could also respec the druid to resto and paladin to prot if you find you are start having issues on >3 mob pulls.

If you wanted to you could also create alts on accounts 1 and 2 to level up at the same time as 3, 4, 5 (again, what I am doing) but I dont really see a point to it in your siutation, except to give a couple more tradeskill options.

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Originally Posted by 'Knytestorme',index.php?page=Thread&postID=32083#p ost32083

From my perspective, given I have been having a similar struggle, I'd do the following

1. Keep druid as MT
2. Keep SP as dps1
3. New account, create paladin. This will be your MT for a group of three while you level
4. New account, create warlock/mage. This will be dps2 and part of three man leveling crew
5. New account, create warlock/mage. This will be dps3 and part of three man leveling crew

When you then get 3, 4, 5 to level 70 you respec paladin to holy and you have MT, a healer that can handle catching agro and 3 dps with good synergy. You could also respec the druid to resto and paladin to prot if you find you are start having issues on >3 mob pulls.

If you wanted to you could also create alts on accounts 1 and 2 to level up at the same time as 3, 4, 5 (again, what I am doing) but I dont really see a point to it in your siutation, except to give a couple more tradeskill options.

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I think levelling 3,4,5 vs levelling 1,2,3,45; all 5 would help speed up levelling since A Druid or SP is not optimum for boosting.

Sure a 3,45, Pally + 2x Mage/Lock could grind thru most things with Druid buffs and Priest Heals (both down ranked to level). But if you have a Pally tank with 1 healer & 3x Mage/Lock--you'd still complete quest as easily at given the level.

If you really want to finish an instance quest, then you boost w/ one of your 70. It won't be hard to do a dungeon more than once w/a 70.

I am finding it easier to start new and lvl 5 then trying to fit in other later.
You could try

Account 1: Warlock (with the druid/s priest)
2: Warlock
3: Mage
4: Pally
5: Druid/shaman/priest

The reason i say something similar to this is that. If you lvl them up you have a team and you'll learn the macros as you go. You could always at say 70 replace the warlock on account 1 with the druid or s.priest. Along with that you can always respect the pally healing and account 5. to whatever you choose (shaman-elemental, druid healer etc.). In the end there soo many ways you can do this, I suggest just sit down and choose what you want and roll with it. You can always change them around. If your planning to play 5, start with 5, you can always try and sub the bettered geared two near 70. If then that fails , at least you have a team you know works from 70 lvls of experience. Either way good luck to you :)

Thanks for all the input, you all have some great ideas and have given me a lot to think about. One of the things I love about boards like this, thanks!

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Originally Posted by 'Mac',index.php?page=Thread&postID=32071#post32071

If I just moved my priest over to another account, I could accomplish a simple two box setup with my two 70s now.

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Is this possible? I have only heard of moving a char from 1 server to another (per Blizzard's transfer rules). I have never heard of being able to move a char from one account to another? If so, I am gonna do this ASAP as I have several 50+ chars on the same account that could run together.

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Originally Posted by 'DarkslayrX',index.php?page=Thread&postID=32327#po st32327

Is this possible? I have only heard of moving a char from 1 server to another (per Blizzard's transfer rules). I have never heard of being able to move a char from one account to another? If so, I am gonna do this ASAP as I have several 50+ chars on the same account that could run together.

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Yes. When you go to the Paid Character Transfer section of WoW's website, you have three options for $25:
1. Transfer a character from one realm to another.
2. Transfer a character from one account to another, *if* both accounts have the same owner. (I think they must have the same original name on the account? Probably to prevent trading/selling characters.)
3. Both of the above combined - from one account & realm to a different account & realm. Same rules apply about being the same owner on both accounts.

Just the same billing info.

And you need the secret password.