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Posting this here for critiquing. After reading through the glyphs and talents and playing around, this is the rotation I came up with.
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/castsequence reset=combat hammer of the righteous,judgement, crusader strike, holy wrath, hammer of the righteous, shield of the righteous, crusader strike, judgement, hammer of the righteous, word of glory
/cast avenger's shield
Trying to get the aoe tanking like before and build up holy power for sotr and wog.
Any thoughts or any better solutions?
No Consecration?
Also add in Holy Wrath - it's instant cast as well. It isn't like you'll be running out of mana.
Prot tanking is difficult right now. Some say its fine and just deal with it, but im not in that camp. It reminds me of how you had to tank in the original Everquest.
My obervations so far is that Paladin tanks are produceing much less agro and many of the dps classes have improved their DPS and lost a lot of their agro reduction passive talents.
Next the passive scaleing agro mechanic doesnt work for us yet. Where up to 10% of your hp gets added to your attack power. Problem is this is only added after you are hurt. So it takes time to build up and with most people right now were still so over geared and things dying so fast that this doesnt get rolling for us to benifit.
Next, the only spell we currently have that scales is Shield of the Righteous, but only if you stack 3x holy power and the fight lasts long enough to get a full stack of Vengence. That and with it takeing 9 seconds to charge up, its just too little too late for current content methods. Expecting dps classes who got a 20%+ boost to dps and in the past took 15min to clear a heroic to slow down and take 30min is unreasonable because of the tank/agro mechanics.
Next we have hammer vs crusader strike or the aoe vs single target. First issue is with Crusader Strike. 120% weapon damage. whoopy crap. If I had a big slow 2hander its nice. But our current tanking weapons are wussy fast hitting 1 handers so we can stack seal of truth. An extra hit every 3s on a 1.6 speed weapon that hits 20% harder than normal is crap. Hammer hits for like 48% and a 1000+ holy aoe. Right now its not a aoe vs single target. More like Hammer for everything and CS on raid bosses. I did some target dummy testing on single targets using CS vs hammer. Currently CS will eventualy out dps hammer on a single target, but it took around 100 attacks and even then it was only ahead around 15% dps. 2000dps vs 2300 dps. Anything outside of a raid boss simply isnt going to live long enough for the dps/threat difference to matter.
Avengers shield hits really hard now. And with the talent to have the cooldown reset it makes it attractive. Personly I see this as a sucker bet. Prot doesnt have enough abilities to use this reset w/o sitting for 3s for CS/Hammer to cool down. It reminds me of the old judgement cooldown talent. There was no reason to take more than 1 point because it provides no benifit. Avengers shield currently is part of the new 939 rotation so tossing it early means not having it for when it comes up in a rotation. Any prot tank who knows that consistant and constant agro wins fights. Not crossing fingers hoping for a dps/agro spike based on random cooldown resets, then doing nothing while you wait for cooldowns.
There are a lot of little things as well that have reduced prot threat like the removal of the damage component to our taunt. DPS loss from crusade, judgements of the just and shield cleaving are gone.
Maybe at 85 it will be different, maybe at 83 in 322 greens it will be different, but right now. Prot got its toys taken away and the dps classes we protect got shiny new ones.
http://maintankadin.failsafedesign.c...rb_v=viewtopic
Its possible that gear might not be optimal for threat. You can't expect to be max on defensive and also generate max threat.
I think i am going to break it in 2 macros.
Long cooldown openners- Judge, AS Concentration, HW. AW(still working on the order) This would correspond with my DOTs on casters(mostly).
Than HotR,HotR,HotR,SotR rest=control/2sec Cant use CS of single targe since it has no Holy damage. I am not sure to put Judgement in here somewhere or just goto the first maco. Or what to fill in between HotR.
For Rets single target 3xCS, Templar's Vertic
Multiple targets 3xCS, Divine Storm.
Why cant we do it in one rotation thats what i did last night and worked fine. I open with conscecration, avengers wrath judgement then went crusador then shield then hammer then shield then crusador. I found it the best way.
I went with friends so i could get my rotation all one button. I mixed in the aoe with single target so u dont think. You might say waste but why not cause u attack a single target first right when they come in to u so why not open with crusader strike. Then by the time the rest are on you u can hammer.
It worked good and had no threat issues at all.
I just tanked HHoR (single box), which was the first instance/raid I have run since the patch and wasn't too concerned. bear in mind I am geared and at the hit/expertise cap.
DPS need to realise now that if they aren't focusing on my target, they will pull aggro and die. They also need to watch meters, if they are gaining threat on the tank they need to back off a bit. Blizz have said many times that this is the way they want the game to go and DPS just need to stop looking at meters and pay attention to what they are doing. Of course good dps have done this all along :)
Our threat rotation seems to be prioritising getting 3 holy powers, and using AS, AW and Conc to fill in cd gaps. AS is AMAZING right now and is something you should always be hitting whenever the CD is off/reset.
I am sad that the mega passive health regen we had is now gone, doing the ZG bosses now makes me drop under 50% even with cooldowns, I'm really missing Judgement of Light and Sacred Shield but meh I will deal with it.
Change is always a tough thing to face, but I'm really like the way things have been shaken up and am looking forward to doing ICC tonight.
So. After some testing, I can keep up a pretty solid AoE rotation with the following macro:
Now, here's where it gets interesting. Obviously, the castsequence macro system is broken as hell right now. In addition to falling through a castsequence to longer-cooldown abilities, the following macro:Quote:
/castsequence reset=combat hammer of the righteous, judgement, hammer of the righteous, word of glory
/cast avenger's shield
/cast holy wrath
will NEVER cast two hammers in a row, despite what the macro says.Quote:
/castsequence reset=combat hammer of the righteous, judgement, hammer of the righteous, hammer of the righteous, word of glory
@Mickathick.
I know the passive regen is gone but aren't you loving the Word of glory heals? Having a 10k insta heal that shields instead of overhealing seems awesome. I guess the area where WoG falls down is that a 10k heal is worth 5k damage agro but without the bonus to holy from righteous fury. It would be nice if they could make WoG only benefit from RF.
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Originally Posted by Ughmahedhurtz
Now I've used your macro:
/castsequence reset=combat hammer of the righteous, judgement, hammer of the righteous, word of glory
/cast avenger's shield
/cast holy wrath
although I added a Crusader strike in there to get hp up to 3 everytime for WoG....I never see the AS or HW cast.
How'd you get it to work? I'm thinking just making a second macro with AS, HW.
Lemme post the entire macro just for clarity:Quote:
Originally Posted by Velassra
IF your AS/HW aren't casting, check for typos. I have no idea why they wouldn't.Code:/assist focus
/stopmacro [noharm] [dead]
/console Sound_EnableSFX 0
/use 13
/use 14
/cast hand of reckoning
/castsequence reset=combat hammer of the righteous, judgement, hammer of the righteous, word of glory
/cast avenger's shield
/cast holy wrath
/startattack
/console Sound_EnableSFX 1
Thanks man, I'll try it again, but I copy/pasted, shouldn't get any typos, spacing w/ a "/" maybe idk, I'll try the full macro see what happens.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ughmahedhurtz
Yeah idk, even with the full macro you posted, I can't get AS or HW to go off.Quote:
Originally Posted by Velassra
Here's what I had been trying to use.....maybe you'll see something I'm not, but the spelling and spacing seem fine:
/castsequence reset=combat hammer of the righteous, judgement, hammer of the righteous, Crusader strike, word of glory
/cast avenger's shield
/cast holy wrath
Everything but the 2 lines for /cast go off fine/smooth.
I tested this for you. That Macro actually does work but you have to press it really fast for AW and HW Just CAPITALIZE the spells like individual spells and it will be normal.
Here's mine with Super Duper Macro. All the Cooldowns are filled in. It starts with one HP SotR just to get Holy Shield up.
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/castsequence reset=combat/ctrl Hammer of the Righteous, Shield of the Righteous, Judgement, Hammer of the Righteous, Holy Wrath, Hammer of the Righteous, Judgement, Hammer of the Righteous, Shield of the Righteous, Hammer of the Righteous, Judgement, Hammer of the Righteous, Avenger's Shield, Hammer of the Righteous, Shield of the Righteous
/cast Consecration
/use 13
/use 14
Retribution
AoE - The last CS and Judgement has a little CD when they come up. The first CS and Judgement will also has a little CD when it loops back the second time. Its the best i can do to fill in all the CDs. Unless you want to use Exorism, but that's mana intensive. Manually use Consecration once per pull.
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/castsequence reset=combat/ctrl Holy Wrath, Crusader Strike, Judgement, Exorcism, Crusader Strike, Divine Storm, Judgement, Crusader Strike, Exorcism, Crusader Strike, Judgement, Divine Storm
/use 13
/use 14
ONE
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/castsequence reset=combat/ctrl Holy Wrath, Crusader Strike, Judgement, Exorcism, Crusader Strike, Templar's Verdict, Judg ment, Crusader Strike, Exorcism, Crusader Strike, Judgement, Templar's Verdict
/use 13
/use 14
Boss
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/castsequence reset=combat Crusader Strike, Judgement, Holy Wrath, Crusader Strike, Crusader Strike, Zealotry, Avenging Wrath, Crusader Strike, Templar's Verdict, Hammer of Wrath, Crusader Strike, Templar's Verdict, Hammer of Wrath, Crusader Strike, Templar's Verdict, Crusader Strike, Templar's Verdict, Hammer of Wrath
/use 13
/use 14
Protection Rotation. Works on mobs and bosses. Still workin on a Ret rotation, I'll post it when I can setting on one.
Q Button:
AS macro
/cast [@mouseover] Avenger's Shield (will be reset by the time it reaches this in the following macro, big help with pulling casters in)
E Button:
Spam
/startattack
/Click ActionButton8
/Click ActionButton9
/Click ActionButton10
ActionButton8:
DPS macro
/castsequence reset=5 Hammer of the Righteous,Judgement,Hammer of the Righteous,Holy Wrath,Hammer of the Righteous,Shield of the Righteous,Hammer of the Righteous,Judgement,Hammer of the Righteous,Avenger's Shield,Crusader Strike,Shield of the Righteous
ActionButton9:
Divine Protection spell only, no macro. Shares no cooldown with dps macro.
ActionButton10:
Consecration spell, no macro. Shares global cooldown with dps macro, so it'll this when it can inbetween the castsequence rotation.
10 can be swapped out with Hammer of Wrath as it will do the same action when it's able to cast. Didn't seem to work with putting HoW after or before Consecration so it's on it's own hotkey as an [@mouseover] macro too
Also check my armory if you want for spec, stats are still messed up on there. Don't think they implemented the Mastery stat into the site yet. I've got it on all my gear now, so my avoidance is up to 81.18 with just Kings up and 80.87 with Might. I use the following script to find out:
/script DEFAULT_CHAT_FRAME:AddMessage("Need 102.4 combat table coverage. Currently at: "..string.format("%.2f", GetDodgeChance()+GetBlockChance()+GetParryChance() +5))
Found out HoR no longer causes damage, just taunts, so it's no longer a good spell for pulling at the start.
I use a smilar rotation with no crusader strike in it and had no problems with aggro whatsoever. It works for both single target and Aoe situations.Quote:
Originally Posted by lans83
/castsequence reset=10 Avenger's Shield, Consecration
Is my Actionbutton1 macro. I use it only for pulling. First press pulls the mobs, second press is done when all of the mobs are about to come close. Sometimes i may need to switch to normal tanking rotation before consecration with heavy caster groups in order to group them together using the racial ability like the ones in FoS. This short rotation for pulling enables great flexibility when in those situations.
Another note is that; i never start dps before Holy Wrath whether it is a single or an aoe fight. This effects the numbers on the meters though but a smooth run is more important than big numbers on the meters.
Anyone noticed that HoTR does more single target threat than CS with 2 pieces of T10 on?
Humm. Maybe thats why ive been grumping about hammer/CS vs single/aoe so much. I couldnt get CS to out dps hammer on single target.
Only fight in current content I can think of where you would want to use cs over hammer is saurfang hc, where it's kinda wise to not get the beasts on you. Besides that I don't really see a reason why you want to use cs over hotr in pve, unless for that weird macro error, but I haven't used that yet.Quote:
Originally Posted by Starbuck_Jones
CS has no holy damage. Thats why i have 1 macro for tank and 3 for Rets.