http://i.imgur.com/mc3JA.jpg
Saw this Octomom pic and thought about my 'boxing days. I don't know how she does it.
I am still around - not playing WoW right now but keeping busy with all kinds of fun things.
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http://i.imgur.com/mc3JA.jpg
Saw this Octomom pic and thought about my 'boxing days. I don't know how she does it.
I am still around - not playing WoW right now but keeping busy with all kinds of fun things.
Simple my tax dollars.
Shes actually not on welfare... "yet".Quote:
Originally Posted by Toned
She just announced she is "broke" and "considering it".
How cool is that table! Must be a new Mage spell I've not read about.
No chance of /follow strobing interrupting the group's eating with that setup.
This.Quote:
Originally Posted by Toned
readzor my above post!Quote:
Originally Posted by Ughmahedhurtz
I have to agree with the Spirit of Toned, and ugh's threads though.
But yeah, It 's coming soon. But then again, I'm like one of the few people who rely on themselves for just about everything, From food, to cloths, to heat, etc. etc.
Not that I don't mind giving a helping hand to others, I just hate being forced to give that helping hand.
Stephen
She got an offer of 500k to do porn. One which I will not be watching.
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Originally Posted by blast3r
^ This
I take it that the 500k was not including the kids?
Co-worker's neighbor = this bitch. What a trip she has been I hope she does porn so she can atleast contritbute something to society lol.
So food stamps magically appear out of thin air? And how the hell do you afford to buy a house if you're close enough to the poverty level to qualify for food stamps?Quote:
Originally Posted by Tehmuffinman
Things that make you go, "Hmmm...."
She has tits nuff said.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ughmahedhurtz
http://blog.internetnews.com/apatriz...t-want-dog.jpgQuote:
Originally Posted by Toned
I really hate the US attitude of "My dollars" , learn to share, we never know when we ourselves might need some help.
Fvck that. I know how to share. I like sharing--With the people I know and like. Why the fvck should I share with some guy I don't know?
I think Stephen Colbert had this one right:
"Class is a way of defining people by how much money they're willing to make."
It is really not about you sharing with someone but rather when you might need someone to share with you, under the vision "no friends = no sharing" you would be homeless and starving? Oh wait, the classic response to that is "I can always take care of myself, I will never need anyone to help me" , I wish I was that sure of myself that I never have illness or misfortune overtake me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mosg2
Respectfully Crowdx, I don't believe that is what a lot of people Think about when they align themselves to being Independent.
all I can offer is anecdotal evidence to this mix though. I'm the fire chief for a very small Volunteer Fire Department, Most of what we do is grass fires from idiots throwing out Cigs off the highway; But every now and then, we will have a structure fire, or Oil fire.
In the last five years or so of leading these fine men and women under my command, I have seen some amazing things.
One lady, started and maintains a local Cloths drive, for those who have lost everything.
One weekend, after a fire destroyed an Elderly ladies home, I was surprised to see many of us show up the next day, with out any plans, To help her Clean up the mess. Yes, fire mess is bad, But cleaning up after we get it out is a huuuuge mess.
We have volunteered our time, Money, and resources , building new homes for those who where un-insured , Or didn't get a good value on their homes.
The point being, is these where all voluntary kinds of helping. We had the choice, to help if need be. The way current government control is, You don't get that choice. It's the lack of freedom, that angers so many people who think like me.
And Please don't get me wrong, It's not a left vs right thing at all for me. It's more of a constitutional thing. If I may, I suggest reading the Life of Davey Crockett, by Ellis.
While this link is to a conservative site, the book predates it far and large, and gives a better example , of why I would dismiss a lot of the programs, that I can not in any way, find constitutional.
http://conservativecolloquium.wordpr...n-and-charity/
Remember, this book was written back in 1884, and the BS politics that we all have came to hate was different then to a large degree.
anyways, that's all I'm gonna say about it, as I respect to many of the posters here, to get into a Political debate, and I hate when politics get's involved, It has the potential to ruin possible friendships.
Stephen
My last words are, once I pay my taxes there is not a lot I can do on how the government spends it, as someone did point out to me when I moved to the US, you live in an elected republic, not a democratic republic. So for me, I pay my taxes and move on, resenting how it is spent is a waste of energy, if the poor does not get my taxes, the arms manufacurers will :)
hehe capitalism Vs socialism arguments (or whatever).
Maybe consider this story - I've got a baby daughter born 4 months early and stayed in hospital for a year before coming home. To cut a REALLY long story short if we were in the states we may have be bankrupt, homeless and probably baby-less. Here, not questions asked, just what's the best for the kid. She's developing fine and ahead of expectation (have a less that 10% chance of survival this time last year).
I'm not saying our system is good or works or whatever but sometimes not putting a price of a life or operation can make such a huge difference. After that experience I've decided to stop judging people and accept that people will ALWAYS take advantage of a policy.
Would you still withdraw your tax dollars from her if it meant also removing support for a family that REALLY needs it?
And if you're still concerned about your tax dollars, god forbid anything were to ever happen to you which may require generosity from anyone. Because you would then understand why these measures are in place, and you would be glad you're not running the government hehe.
In peace.
ditto!!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by thefunk
There are many other non-government options for situations like that. I have a cousin whose baby was born with a hole in her heart. To make a long story short, the hospital and doctors performed 3 operations at no cost to them and they have received a lot of help from the local community and church.
The point is, the government is not the only answer. There are many charities out there that will help people when they need it. And there are a lot of people willing to donate to these charities which is true generosity.
Plus, there is a big difference in the charity the government hands out vs. an actual charity organization hands out. I have 2 nephews who have been unemployed almost 2 years now, they live in NJ but have spent most of their time in Florida visiting friends who are in college down there. They are complaining that they have to go back to NJ to start looking for a job because their unemployment is running out.
In the US the solution is simple get rid of your social security number and reap the benefits ><
Drives me crazy~
I have kids and go to school fulltime if I can figure out how to lose my job I'd make more money on unemployment. Gogo stupid government plans and extra money for having kids and going to school.Quote:
Originally Posted by olsondw
To help balance out your Karma so it doesn't kick you in the teeth??Quote:
Originally Posted by Mosg2
I've spent quite some time in the USA in the past 12-13 years, both as a tourist and for work, and one thing I've learned is that it's rather pointless to argue with an american about religion, social security, abortion and political systems. Their is no right or wrong, they just have a different opinion about it. An opinion that makes sense given their context and history.
They are fine with a president that says god bless america, but they want to keep the impact of the government as small as possible. Whereas we want to keep church far away from us, but we are fine with a rather big role for the government (we = western europe, i.e. main members of the EU).
Things they are fine with, are hard to imagine for us, and the other way around.
I know I said, I would not post again, But zenga has a good point.
as I understand it, Americans or at least part of the reason for the original Immigrants (ie quakers, shakers, and the like) came here for Religous freedoms, at a time when in EU, the Church and state where close together.
The EU countries have had a long history of various theocracy's so I can understand their POV , when it relates to how us Americans view things differently.
One thing also to consider, is in the founding days of America, and for years after, the idea of independence was quite strong. to forge out into the wild, and build ones own home. Now that is not to say we didn't accept help during the revelution, as I would be remiss to see the sacrifices countries like France made.
at that time, I believe, we would have witnessed a break from any kind of empirical government, and while I think it was for good reason, YMMV.
it is because of this, that so many of us, have a distrust even to this day, of Government. why we would rather rely on ourselves, our neighbors, or even our Churches , for possible situations, and in Small town America, this works great.
Anyways, I just wanted to say, I can see and understand the points from the EU on this. It is just that we are somewhat different in how we view things.
If it where up to me, More of my own tax money in my own pocket, means I can help out more people I choose to , on my own.
Stephen
There are douches on either side of the argument in this sort of thing. My solution is to get rich so I don't have to worry so much about this crap.
What we need is a gigantic computer to make all of these decisions for us in a objective and logical fashion. We can call it Multivac.
Multivac because the most logical solution would be to vacuum all humans into space to solve the problem? :PQuote:
Originally Posted by Vicker
There is really no greater feeling than paying high taxes.
If you can trust your goverment that is. :)
I Really can't stand this woman. This is someone who already had SIX kids under the age of 10. She is and was broke, her parents are broke, yet ALL her kids are from In-Vitro. It's not even a matter of "oops!" She's gone into spawning overdrive on purpose. Everything she's done has been selfish and irresponsible and I pity all of those children.
after speaking of social-security, religion and (almost) abortion, i reckon we should talk about guns and death penalty now
or root beer .. it plain sucks
or tax and education and the economy