Anyone else 5 boxing without RAF or boosting?

I hit level 10 yesterday but man is it killing me. I am really tempted to start 5 new accounts with RAF. I'm horde so I'm trying to hang on until I can start running RFC for leveling. If I can just get to 17 I should be okay.

I was just wondering if anyone else is doing the same thing? I've always used RAF for 5boxing new teams. The only time I"ve never used RAF was for my 4 hunters, but I don't remember it being this brutal.

Random question: Can you transfer a level 60 from a vanilla account to a WOTLK account?

I think there are places in Europe where RAF is against the law (considered a pyramid scheme or something) - maybe Netherlands? You're not alone, others have and are leveld without RAF. I tried to, but eventually gave in and created 4 new accounts to boost 4 existing accounts (didn't transfer toons as that would get costly, so basically had to double the leveling time).

This is why I now plead with new multiboxers to utilize their RAF as much as they could handle. I originally thought I'd just want to play 5 druids... big mistake. Now I have about 6 full teams at 60+, and I hope I never want to multibox rogues, warriors, or hunters...

You can transfer a toon from Vanilla to WotLK, but I don't believe you can transfer from WotLK to Vanilla.

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Originally Posted by Owltoid

and I hope I never want to multibox rogues, warriors, or hunters...

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You will. I never wanted to multibox an all melee team, but started raf for a second time just to make a group. :D I'm just tired of all the accounts I have because of RAF. I think I have 15 or so....

Hmm so if I do break, and decide to do RAF, once they hit 60 I can just do an account transfer to my WOTLK accounts? Hmmmm.....

Yeah, but that could get expensive. My latest RAF round I did 4 teams to 60, twice (locks, mages, shamans, and priests). I'm finding that I don't really enjoy any class that can't heal, so I'm hoping I never want warriors/rogue/hunters (already have pallys and druids 60+, don't count DKs since that would be easy).

I really doesn't take that long. Just get 4 vanilla accounts, boost two old + two new, then boost the other two old + two new, and you'll have all the teams you want at 60 well before the expansion.

I had to level my teams old school and it took forever. I watched guild members fly away from me too with RAF.

I got to level 17 before I I spent the $15x2 to RAF 4 characters. Well worth it.

I've leveled all my teams without RaF.

While RaF would have been nice, my first team (5 shamans) had just hit 60 when RaF was released (the xp bonus system from it anyway) and I didn't want to make any more accounts.
So while it may be slower, it's still quite enjoyable imo, and if you don't mind breaking up your teams slightly and have a high level somewhere, boosting them up 4 at a time is pretty effective even without RaF.

I am currently leveling my second team. I put the heirlooms on them and figured that would be fast enough. If I could do it all over again there is no question I would shell out for RAF. I am lvl 52 and cringing at the number of runs left.

Indeed, though since RaF only helps until 60 anyway, it's really a pretty small part of the whole leveling.

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Originally Posted by d0z3rr

Random question: Can you transfer a level 60 from a vanilla account to a WOTLK account?

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Yes you can, but it is a very costly way of doing things.

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Originally Posted by Maxion

Indeed, though since RaF only helps until 60 anyway, it's really a pretty small part of the whole leveling.



Yes you can, but it is a very costly way of doing things.

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Cost is all relative. 2x x-fers + games = same price as 4 games and you don't need to upgrade accounts or do 4 x-fers after.

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Originally Posted by d0z3rr

I hit level 10 yesterday but man is it killing me. I am really tempted to start 5 new accounts with RAF. I'm horde so I'm trying to hang on until I can start running RFC for leveling. If I can just get to 17 I should be okay.

I was just wondering if anyone else is doing the same thing? I've always used RAF for 5boxing new teams. The only time I"ve never used RAF was for my 4 hunters, but I don't remember it being this brutal.

Random question: Can you transfer a level 60 from a vanilla account to a WOTLK account?

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I'm leveling my 5 paly's without RAF and am enjoying the experience. To me it's all about expectations and perception and since I'm playing alliance characters for once I'm not even thinking about how long it takes because I'm enjoying the content I've never really even seen before.

I doubt I could play 1-60 on horde anytime soon because I've done it soooo many times with and without RAF that I'd think I'd vomit if I tried.

Once CATA goes live I'm sure I will be able to roll some new horldings since everything will have changed.

My current team, 5 x Paladin, was leveled entirely without RAF or even any Heirlooms.

1-60 I spent most of my time in dungeons. Once you hit 60, it gets a lot easier, and since RAF cuts out at 60 anyway, I don't feel like I lost much by not using RAF this time.

Yeah, I'm in the situation where I consolidated my team down onto a single account a while back and so now have 9 alliance @ 80 on one server and my Horde on another server.

I'm not going to worry about RAF'ing though as doing more than 1 team is just cost-prohibitve to transfer across and since I only need to level characters on the other 4 accounts, I'm just going to boost with one of the tanks on horde and alliance side as I feel the need to create a new team to go with something I already have.

I'm going to attempt to run 5 Worgens in cata, without RAF. I wonder how long I last though, since I usually hate the leveling process. Hopefully with all the new content, I won't feel bored as quickly.

Basically it amounts to what you have more of time and patience, or money. I usually run out of patience before I run out of money, so I make a vanilla account or 2, boost em up and xfer to my main account. Plus its a great way to get the rocket mounts....

Depending on how many toons you have now, and want to level up, you could either buy 3 new accounts, and xfer your existing toons from those 3 accts over, or you could just buy 2 new accounts, boost 4 at a time, and xfer half to the pre existing accounts. Or start completely over. There are a ton of choices.

I caved in and got RAF. Only need 3 new accounts, so $60 and another $60 for transfers when they ding 60. Totally worth it IMO.

When I'm leveling alts I have a whole bunch of teams that are leveling in different ways - one through only box friendly quests, one through doing EVERY quest, one through battlegrounds, one through instances, etc. It's slow without RAF, but can be fun.

I'm kind of looking forward to starting a new team 1-85 when Cata launches... I might actually re-roll on a server with more boxers if I do that.

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Originally Posted by kate

I might actually re-roll on a server with more boxers if I do that.

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Good luck. The Zerg seems very dead. I logged in the other day and most everyone's last login was >1 month. Only a few were active in the past 24 hours.

I am not aware of any other US server that has a lot of boxers on it....

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Originally Posted by d0z3rr

Good luck. The Zerg seems very dead. I logged in the other day and most everyone's last login was >1 month. Only a few were active in the past 24 hours.

I am not aware of any other US server that has a lot of boxers on it....

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According to the guild forums here and various threads, there are a couple of servers with quite a few.

Getting to level 10 is killing you?

I am leveling two groups of five (leap frogging each other 10 levels at a time). Its pretty trivial leveling them.

The pvp server thing sort of makes it a bit more boring than I had hoped as there are some quests I would like to do that are great XP. Sort of amusing that I am in Northrend never having been in Outlands besides hellfire to turn for maybe 5 quests right around town and shatt for a moment for crafting trainers.

I finally saw another guildmate for the first time the other day in Northrend (one of the few days outside an instance or Dal). Though they all seem to have 80s escorting them. The last time I used that method the xp hit was awful.

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Originally Posted by HPAVC

Getting to level 10 is killing you?

I am leveling two groups of five (leap frogging each other 10 levels at a time). Its pretty trivial leveling them.

The pvp server thing sort of makes it a bit more boring than I had hoped as there are some quests I would like to do that are great XP. Sort of amusing that I am in Northrend never having been in Outlands besides hellfire to turn for maybe 5 quests right around town and shatt for a moment for crafting trainers.

I finally saw another guildmate for the first time the other day in Northrend (one of the few days outside an instance or Dal). Though they all seem to have 80s escorting them. The last time I used that method the xp hit was awful.

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An escort does not have to be grouped, and if it's a pet class they can help kill things with the pet as long as you tag first and you wont lose xp.

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Originally Posted by Maxion

An escort does not have to be grouped, and if it's a pet class they can help kill things with the pet as long as you tag first and you wont lose xp.

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Yes, I am aware how the tagging works. They aren't using the 80s escorts for questing.

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Originally Posted by HPAVC

Yes, I am aware how the tagging works. They aren't using the 80s escorts for questing.

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Right, but they still don't need to be grouped.

I activated my 4 new accounts about 3 days before RAF was announced. Needless to say I was a bit pissed off about that.

I have now leveled 2 teams to 80, and 2 other teams to 73+. Plus a handful of singles.

The last one to 80 was done almost exclusively within dungeons - I really love the LFG with full teams - sure it's not as fast as RAF + boosting, but since I do them all with different class makeups it means I have usually got it all figured out by the time I start in on heroics.

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Originally Posted by Exanth

....but since I do them all with different class makeups it means I have usually got it all figured out by the time I start in on heroics.

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Exactly, I really think that there is something to be had in that process.

Though people mostly just insanely over gear heroics with their groups and don't really bother with anything other than a single dps rotation really it seems. Especially since they aren't going to do much besides heroic grinds with those characters.

I leveled a team of druids and Palies without RaF. Full BoAs help. Also, at 51 you can start doing AV. And if your side wins 50% or more, it is crazy good exp. On AV weekend i got my palies from 61-68, I did hellfire and Zang quest while I waited for ques.. I never finished Zang Marsh, turned 68 there in an AV run, then headed to Northrend 8)

I haven't leveled a full team of 5 ever, but I have done the following all without RAF:

- Leveled my first core "4" (paladin, priest, mage, shaman) assisted by my 80 warlock "main"
- Leveled my druid boosted by the paladin, ported around by the mage/lock
- Leveled my rogue boosted by the paladin, ported around by the mage/lock
- Currently leveling 3 more shaman, boosted by the paladin (but not ported as on same accounts as mage/lock)

Honestly, if you aren't in a race and enjoy some PvP its not bad. Even without a booster if you can pvp some level's not a chore if you aren't in a huge rush. In WG weekend, I didn't use my paladin for my 3 shaman and just BG'd all weekend. I think I went from 20 to 28 and these weren't marathon sessions.

Just my two coppers.

I've leveled all my toons with out boosting or RaF. Just good old fashion quests. 4 boxer of course but my partner is normally playing a 5th toon with me at the same level the whole time. My priests took me 5 days played time to level to 80? I did some instances when I had quests. I'm working on a set of "never set foot in an instance" toons right now, I think the'll be 80 with 6 days played time on them.

My shamans were 7 days played time to 70 before they changed XP and I didn't have any 70's on the server at the time for help.