Suvega's Multibox friendly 10 dailies per day. [600g/day]

Ok, so multi-boxing's bread and butter money (besides runnign instances, messing up a pull and getting WTF pwnd heh) is doing dailies. So I figured I shoudl share what I do each day to get my 10 dailies done on all of my 5 characters.

First recomendation is get epic flying mounts (yes I know you're going to stab me here but its worth it). I've had em for a while now, and they help TREMENDOUSLY on efficency of daily quests, as well as opening netherwing dailies (revered so far....). Basically with a 26k gold investment, you can double the gold you make from dailies.

So on to my pattern:

1. So I start in Netherwing, grab the following quests: (I'm honored, so some of these require netherwing rep).
2. Booterang, A slow death, Dragons are the least of our problems, and the 20 kill quest in nagrand (don't konw the name, too lazy to look it up).
3. Go do the dragons are the least of our problems. Run in the mine, look for eggs, and gather up a big ton of flayers and ravageres. AOE, you're done.
4. Fly to skettis (epic mounts ftw!), Go by the east and north east escort spawn on teh way to the bombinb quest start. If an escort is up, grab it and do it. Get the bombing quest, fly around and finish it.
5. Turn in both quests. Take quick transport up to ogrilla. Pick up 4 daily quests (bombing, banishing, wrangling, memory).
6. Fly south, and wrangle your 5 nether rays. Go to memory game spot and aoe the thing. Have your NON-ENCHANTER start the BIG summoning quest (35 shards). you need 6 in a row, just plant a character at each spot. Super easy.
7. Guy comes after you complete. Kill it and give the apexis crystal to your enchanter.
8. Fly north to th demon area. Dismount from the flying mounts and mount on your land mounts. Go to a camp and gather up a bunch of demons. Slap down a portal AOE. (should be about half done with banishing quest)
9. Plant your 4 guys in the middle of the camp, get on your flying mount on your main and bomb 15 stacks around the camp you're in. Land, gather more mobs, finish the banishing quest.
10. Run back to skyguard, turn everything in. Buy the blue cloak from teh quartermaster with your enchanter, and D/E into a LPS.
11. Get on your flyign mounts, and fly down to nagrand. Drop down to the camps of mobs (not the warlocks), and aoe. Should take about 3 camps to kill 20 mobs.
12. Now fly over to SMV, to just west of BT, and gather up a bunch of the greater felfire diemetriedons (sp?). AOE them and get 12 fel glands on your main. Make sure to loot a couple extra on another character incase quest bugs).
13. Finally fly down to netherwing, and fly around slapping peons with your booterang. When you have about 15/20 slapped, drop down and start poisioning. Finish it up and turn in everything.



Total money: 122g per character from dailies only (not greys, cloth, or enchanting stuffs). Time is about an hour and a half if you are efficient.

I'd like to point out, for those who think maybe we sell gold / accounts.

Level up to 70.

> 20k investment in epic flyers (> $800).

1.5 hours to get 600 gold.

$75 / month plus electricity.

Cost of the computer(s) ($1500 or more).

Roughly $28 or ~ $19 per hour.

But limited to once per day. And that is the retail price, you would be lucky to get $8 for it.

So, nearly minimum wage for 1.5 hours, once a day after you factor the other costs in.

Supposedly they are upping the number of dailies you can do each day to 25 with the next patch.

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Originally Posted by 'Xzin',index.php?page=Thread&postID=29821#post2982 1

I'd like to point out, for those who think maybe we sell gold / accounts.

Level up to 70.

> 20k investment in epic flyers (> $800).

1.5 hours to get 600 gold.

$75 / month plus electricity.

Cost of the computer(s) ($1500 or more).

Roughly $28 or ~ $19 per hour.

But limited to once per day. And that is the retail price, you would be lucky to get $8 for it.

So, nearly minimum wage for 1.5 hours, once a day after you factor the other costs in.

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Yeah I did the math too :P I was like, hmm about 18$ an hour, once a day for about a 1000$ investment. (26k gold total).

Thats basically making a 1000$ investment to earn LESS then I do per /hr at work :pinch:

Running instances, you can get a decent amount per hour, but again, the risk associated to reaping the rewards (selling gold), basically takes a 360 hour investment down the drain

For more fun math, we'll say a 15 days played to 70. * 24 hours = 360 hours of playing investment. We'll say a rough 35$ an hour from normal work.

Thats a 12,600$ investment (for my standard of work). Running instances, gets you probably about 300-400g / hr if you are really hauling ass and not f'ing up on pulls. 9$.

Basically I've spent 12,600$ to make it so I LOSE 26$ an hour every hour I play(and not work thusly), not to mention HIGH RISK to the investment. (GMs > economics)

Yeah, as you mentioned, you also have to factor in the opportunity cost here. My "real job" if you will pays significantly more than a few dozen an hour.

So you "lose" that - plus you have to factor in other fun items like RSI injury potential, possibility of getting banned, etc.

So you basically wind up losing money and doing the same "job" over and over again. Fun? I don't think so. Profitable? No way.

Lmao at you guys :)

Thanks Suvega, this is what I was asking for in another post so its great :)

If you sell gold to places like IGE there isn't alot of chance to actually get banned.

If you invest time as said is 7 days play time even at minimum wage (160 hours or so for 70) is over 1000$ worth
If you make 300 gold per hour and sell it to a wholesaler for 1/2 the worth you are making about 9$ an hour... lets assume you get 1k gold in 3 hours and you sell it to a wholesaler for 1/2 the value (normally 45$) thats 25$ for your 3 hours of work so that is only about 7$ an hour.

If you were to level the characters, get them gear and epic flyers and such... it StILL wouldn't be worth it because you could only sell each for like 500$ cause most people dont spend a grand on characters anymore. So you are looking at a maximum of 2500 for the job and it takes over 250 hours to get everything you need for a successful sale.

There is no money in WoW anymore.

The only way to make money is to get a 2v2, 3v3, 5v5 team to 2k+ rating and maintain it while selling 10 game sessions for 1k gold on each. If you do this you can make approximately 10k gold per day as part time work. This means you get 200$ for 1 day's part time work (5-6 hours) that is over 40$ an hour.

If you do this with say 3 people you can make 5x of each team and make huge amounts of profit... but the time it takes to get to the point where you can sell points is retarded....

You'd have to make your own WoW website and sell gold for a single server for cheap... and then blizzard would just ban the administrator's ip address and such from their servers and eventually figure out what characters are the farmers and such and in the long run it turns into a wasted 500+ hours.

The ONLY way to make money is to cheat and dupe items. If you can't do that don't bother trying (my friend dax does this, can make over 100k gold a day on every server both horde and alliance) He's made litterly millions selling gold... but he's an exception. He also is in jail right now for fraud against the government and wont get out for another 6 months or so.

You either play WoW cause ur addicted, wanna be the best, spend time with irl friends, or wanna make money. The last one doesn't happen too often... and if it does ur getting minimum wage when you could actually have a social life with a real job.

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Originally Posted by 'ilikemages',index.php?page=Thread&postID=29936#po st29936

You either play WoW cause ur addicted, wanna be the best, spend time with irl friends, or wanna make money. The last one doesn't happen too often... and if it does ur getting minimum wage when you could actually have a social life with a real job.

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Some of us actually play for fun. It is a game after all.

All of you thinking in a BOX, Every time you guys mentioning using multi-boxing to make real money either by selling gold, or selling accounts, leveling service, or any other power services...

Here example how to multi-bot:


as long as you attending to more then one thing at time, it is called "Multi", if you in control it is "-boxing" if you use glider it is "-boting", and if you making dinner while checking on email, and watching episode of House, it is "Multi-tusking", it is as simple as this.
not that I ever did that myself or suggestion it, but it is just one of example how some do this.

Troof that botters are too dumb to use things like tripods, much less video capture applications. They just re-use premade "botting software" to help with their ezmode farming.

Anyway, botting conversation aside -- can we take the botting versus boxing contrast conversation to another topic? I don't want botting to be confused with a legitimate how-to thread on efficient ways to do your dailies. It's too valuable a topic to get deleted just 'cuz we got distracted with a discussion on RMT (Real-Money Trade).

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Originally Posted by 'Vyndree',index.php?page=Thread&postID=30736#post3 0736

Troof that botters are too dumb to use things like tripods, much less video capture applications. They just re-use premade "botting software" to help with their ezmode farming.

Anyway, botting conversation aside -- can we take the botting versus boxing contrast conversation to another topic? I don't want botting to be confused with a legitimate how-to thread on efficient ways to do your dailies. It's too valuable a topic to get deleted just 'cuz we got distracted with a discussion on RMT (Real-Money Trade).

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Perhaps one of the mods could start deleting the kind of post that promotes that... Alot of people re-direct other players with questions or accusations about multi-boxing to this site/forum and when they get here and see posts about botting etc automatically think we're all doing it (because they're morons...)

At the risk of promoting botting, I don't believe in censorship either.

Ignorance never made anybody smarter. People (should) be able to grasp what this site does and does not promote itself as.

The bots that "Thebotmaster" is using are quite low on the complexity scale.

Smart people will make their own bots, using a well known development platform. Given what you can do, its not too difficult to make a bot look fairly human.

English is not my birth language, so I might have word it wrong, and I never meant to promote boting in any way, but at same time boting is not as illegal as piracy, it was just an example.

it is just that there few gold making guides around here on how take advantage of multiboxing, and some times followed by complicated math how it is not worth it...
I can't disagree with it, especially when 5box all togather ramping-up gold for 5xEpicMounts, it will draw attention and followed ban, if it is indeed involved in any trading activities.

My point was, if some one does do it for real money they would and will set up something like example in my post above, all characters separate and in different locations run by boting-app, and usually supervised by real person.
and I think it should be common knowledge.

[edit]PS. I dont think it is wise to delete post just because it contains word "BOT", often discussion held on very root difference between boting, multi-boxing, or even multi-boting.
also in every tread like that it is strongly pointed out how Multi-boxing community oppose any form of boting, Vyndree is example here. Also like Xzin pointed out, "ignorance" is the greatest enemy, espasially when 10mil and growing players playing right now with simple mindset "any one who have any advantage over me is unfair" and followed by QQ in many forms, and there no need for example, you all know what I am talking about.

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Originally Posted by 'Xzin',index.php?page=Thread&postID=30860#post3086 0

At the risk of promoting botting, I don't believe in censorship either.

Ignorance never made anybody smarter. People (should) be able to grasp what this site does and does not promote itself as.

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Agreed. I'm not into censorship either, I'm just asking that people move the off-topic discussion to a more appropriate thread. :)

Suvega ... any plans for making a wrath-version of this?! I just loved your TBC-version.

I'm not sure theres much of a need for a wrath version.

Once you finish up ice crown you'll know pretty good what dailies to do. Theres 3 daily hubs really, the airship, shadow vault, and the little platform southwest towards the island. Almost every single daily quest is multiboxer friendly except one or two, and so you can really do almost all of them which is something like 18 quests in about 1 1/2 hours, possibly less.

To do them easiest I recommend getting the carbonite addon. Fly to the airship, pick up all quests, now look at your carbonite minimap and it highlights everywhere you need to go to complete a quest - just do a circle stopping at each colored area to complete each quest, then turn in everything at the airship.

Next, fly to shadow vault, get the 3 quests, head west slightly to the vrykul area to do the 3 quests there - these 3 take maybe 3 minutes combined.

Last, fly southwest to the landing platform and take the gryphon quest and the tincture quest (I skip the chest quest - not even worth it to do it on just 1 character IMO) and head over, finish them, turn in, and voila. Add the JC quest in if any of your characters are jewelcrafters because almost all the JC quests can be completed in Ice Crown or Storm Peaks.

And yeah, if you don't have epic flyers, expect this to take about 3 hours instead of 1 1/2, so get those epic flyers fast! If you don't have them, finish all the regular quests in storm peaks, ice crown, etc, before moving on to dailies.

I would highly recommend doing at least 1-2 of the Sons of Hodir quests daily (and keeping an eye out for Everfrosts), if TBC was any indication the shoulder enchants will be pretty much only from them for the life of the expansion so you may as well grind out Exalted over a few months. I only do the horn quest until honored, then the wolf and ride-dragon quest until revered, then add the eating-worms quest. The oil quest isn't too bad since fast respawns, and the ice shards quest isn't bad either since your main can collect the 25 necessary shards, but too time consuming for me. And of course next patch you can buy rep with relic of ulduars, doing stuff in Storm Peaks should net you a few hundred of these over a few weeks.

I'm already exalted with 2 guys and revered on the other 3, so just plugging away 30 mins each day helps a lot.

I disagree - in 3.0.8 you can turn in relics of ulduar for rep and they will no longer be BoP - just wait a couple weeks for the price to go down and then use the money from the dailies that aren't stress inducing to buy all your characters to exalted. Sons of Hodir quests are the worst ones in the game for multiboxers - I will never do them.

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Originally Posted by 'Hachoo',index.php?page=Thread&postID=166259#post1 66259

I disagree - in 3.0.8 you can turn in relics of ulduar for rep and they will no longer be BoP - just wait a couple weeks for the price to go down and then use the money from the dailies that aren't stress inducing to buy all your characters to exalted. Sons of Hodir quests are the worst ones in the game for multiboxers - I will never do them.

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Once I got to the point I could do dailies thats pretty much the decision I made... Until then the PVP enchants are tolerable for PVE and are cheap for shards.

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Originally Posted by 'Hachoo',index.php?page=Thread&postID=166259#post1 66259

I disagree - in 3.0.8 you can turn in relics of ulduar for rep and they will no longer be BoP - just wait a couple weeks for the price to go down and then use the money from the dailies that aren't stress inducing to buy all your characters to exalted. Sons of Hodir quests are the worst ones in the game for multiboxers - I will never do them.

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/agree -- I can't even bring myself to do these on my mage (my non-boxing raiding toon that really should get to exalted for the better shoulder enchant, and human to boot for that extra 10%). I freaking hate collection quests now, and the horn quest is always camped. I've done the Icecrown dailies a few times but far from religiously.

Icecrown does have some boxing-friendly dailies, but the phasing craziness in the zone makes it annoying to navigate in. I stick to the shadow vault and that island off in the SW, only 4 dailies total but they're very quick. 260g in under 15 mins more than pays for my raiding habit.

I can actually do all ice crown dailies without passing through an area that causes follow to break - guess I've just kind of learned which ways to fly. Carbonite addon helps to tell you exactly where each spot is you need to go for the quests, so now I can do around 17 dailies in 1 1/2 hours without losing follow.

Yeah I absolutely detest the phasing in Icecrown and only do dailies in there once a week. Too much flying around and waiting for toons to catch up.

If you fly to Neff point from Dalaran you can get the giants and wolf quest done in 15-20 mins (no collection, just killing) and do the spear-a-dragon solo on 1-2 guys as well. I dunno about your server but I am pretty sure Relic of Ulduars are gonna be crazy expensive next patch for a long time, since everyone will just want to buy their way to exalted for alts. 10 relics = 250 rep I think, so you'd need 1320 to go from honored to exalted, I'm guessing it'll cost 3-5k gold to buy that many for a few weeks/months.

Whats really great is if you are in Naxx on your main/etc, I park a second toon in the Sons zone and fly around everfrost hunting while there is Naxx downtime. With a mod like mapster it tracks where you have looted shards, and I have picked up 10+ in a single night this way. Easy 3-4k rep a day.

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Originally Posted by 'Neogeo',index.php?page=Thread&postID=166179#post1 66179

Suvega ... any plans for making a wrath-version of this?! I just loved your TBC-version.

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I can at least tell you that Suvega is not farming dailies at this point in time... For one, he was able to purchase two mammoths already and doesn't really have any additional goldsink items in mind... And two, he's found himself a nice little niche playing the auction house market.

I'd imagine he'd probably start trying to figure out an efficient path for dailies once it's more worth the time to do so... I haven't done many dailies and I'm still working through the money I earned just from leveling. Wrath doesn't seem to be too expensive at this point.

Guess it depends on your preferred method of getting gear as well as other expensive things you might want! ;) I've already spent (estimated) 30,000g (not including epic mounts - that would bump it to 51,000g at 80) between leveling 2 JCers and buying epic items galore at 80 because I'd rather start half epiced out then get all my gear by running instances :)

I still want to get a mechano hog, going to need to buy 5 red drakes (10k gold), have about 10k more crafted items to buy, and maybe get a mammoth or two, plus maybe 5x band of the kirin tor, if nothing else as an extra hearth. That should cover me for needing money for quite awhile! For me, it looks like wrath has about 10x as much money to sink as BC ever did.

Holy thread resurection batman!

Anywho, since it's getting nerfed in like the next patch, I figure I'd tell ya what I've been doing:

Disenchanting. It makes more money, quicker then any other thing right now, and considering the lesser complexity, and that I can do it whilst raiding, it is what I've been spending my time with. (yes this has been discussed I think breifly on this site already).
I'm not going to spoon feed you guys, but in quick summary check out the following:
http://www.wowhead.com/?item=40959#disenchanting
http://www.wowhead.com/?item=43249#disenchanting
http://www.wowhead.com/?item=43248#disenchanting

Some hints for people just starting the gouging market:
Have an alt on the Ah constantly scanning new itesm (auctioneer cna do this). When someone posts alot of mats that you will consistently need, you should msg them. Offer them in the future like 5g less then market value currently (I buy cobalt at 35g a stack on my server from 3 suppliers). Indicate that it shoudl be about even if they CoD you as AH takes a 5% cut anyways (Lie and say 10% if needed ;) ).
Currently I get 2 full mails of cobalt bars per day, at 420g a mail. (24stacks)

For posting:
Single stacks of greater cosmics, 1 copper markdown 10-15 Max.
full stacks of dust, 1copper markdown. 4 stacks max.
SAVE YOUR SHARDS, DO NOT SELL NOW - After 3.0.8 these will skyrocket in price.


Keep your alt at the AH, and when you spot someone undercutting you, /who them. Wait till they leave the AH, then immedietly take down your auctions, and undercut him by a copper again.

By keeping low stacks (relatively), people will be less likely to undercut you (as they think you could get bought out pretty quickly with the high demand for mats).
By staying at the AH you can immedietly repost when an auction sells, and repost when someone does undercut you.

Fastest money in the game. I can net over a week, maybe 20k+?

Unfortunetly my nobles deck on Suvv has eaten all those profits ;)

Once this gets nerfed (Next patch all the costs for items goes up, and enchanting mats cost go down, therefore profits are going to be non-existent), I'll probably start up a new daily route.

lol... that's how i leveled up enchanting (BS and JC on my main)
i decided not to play the AH though
just doesn't feel right

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Originally Posted by 'Hachoo',index.php?page=Thread&postID=166204#post1 66204

Next, fly to shadow vault, get the 3 quests, head west slightly to the vrykul area to do the 3 quests there - these 3 take maybe 3 minutes combined.

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What 3 quests are you getting. I only get 1 daily there, the one where you have to put the sword in the dead vrykul. I would like to know what ones that i am missing.

Theres a quest to burn down buildings with a protodrake, and another quest to shoot down drakes with harpoons. Just do every single shadow vault quest and every single quest on the ledge above the undead area south of the vrykul area to open them up I think.

The beautiful thing about these 2 quests... for burning down the buildings you can just mount a drake right next to a building with your main, fly up slightly, and shoot fire on that building over and over again (8 times) without moving and get credit on all 5 characters - this takes about 40 seconds.

For the harpoons, you can mount 5 guns with your 5 characters, aim them all at the same spot where it looks like drakes fly by often, and then whenever you see a drake near there hit your harpoon button twice and insta-gib the drakes - need 20 and it takes maybe 90-120 seconds depending on how lucky you are :)

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Originally Posted by 'Hachoo',index.php?page=Thread&postID=166259#post1 66259

I disagree - in 3.0.8 you can turn in relics of ulduar for rep and they will no longer be BoP - just wait a couple weeks for the price to go down and then use the money from the dailies that aren't stress inducing to buy all your characters to exalted. Sons of Hodir quests are the worst ones in the game for multiboxers - I will never do them.

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Found this through an article at wowinsider a few days ago:
http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/th...eNo=2&sid=1#36

Dont forget the Wintergrasp dailies :) These 3 quests are fun, require almost no effort (just to join any WG raid) and also bring you loads of honor and stone keeper's shards.