I hate HoR

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03-10-2010, 12:23 AM
Catamer

I hate HoR

I have never been able to do it on heroic mode and I have absolutely no desire to learn it or master it.
I can't seem to get my shaman back together on the first boss after he does the fear from hell, and that's assuming I survive to the first boss. My tank can't hold aggro and the tank has to execute EVERYTHING just perfect or I'm dead.

the worst part is that now that most of my teams have a 5k gear score that's all I get on all 3 teams, there is no such thing as a quick logon and get some frost badges and go to bed, i have to fight the damn system for over an hour to get something easy. I wish I had never done the ICC quest chain on easy mode so I could be locked out of it.
03-10-2010, 01:10 AM
Khatovar

Easiest way I've found for regrouping after fear is using interact with target. Beyond that, I can't offer much, I am not a fan of that place and don't think I've completed on Heroic {most of my team has been unsubbed since xmas to make up for the bazillions of dollars that holiday travel cost me}. The gauntlet just makes me want to pull my hair out because I have a hard time keeping DP up on my pally. No mana = no agro.
03-10-2010, 01:16 AM
zenga

I'm gonna get myself the pvp trinket that breaks fear now. 1 fear less should make a whole lot of difference. Can't recall the time i wiped on the trash, the LoS strategy makes it rather trivial. But the debuff followed by the fear (or other way around i forgot) is a bitch. Interact with target is indeed the way to go, still 1 toon might be stuck behind something. So iwt and as they get too close to the boss just hit the back key and they 'll be standing in a nice circle facing the boss.
03-10-2010, 02:41 AM
Krycek

Repentance + Turn Evil are made of Win in Halls of Reflection trash. Most people usually just go and zerg through the instance, but when you CC couple of those mobs it will make things much more easier.
03-10-2010, 04:12 AM
Daeri

As you have shamans in your team : tremor totem + interact with target :) I know some people bind the use of a crystal focusing lens as they don't wat to force their characters to go in melee range.
03-10-2010, 07:13 AM
QuantumX

Quote:

Originally Posted by Daeri

As you have shamans in your team : tremor totem + interact with target :) I know some people bind the use of a crystal focusing lens as they don't wat to force their characters to go in melee range.

This comment has peaked my interest please explain?
03-10-2010, 07:41 AM
SideWays

Quote:

Originally Posted by Daeri

As you have shamans in your team : tremor totem + interact with target :) I know some people bind the use of a crystal focusing lens as they don't wat to force their characters to go in melee range.

Tremor totem doesnt work..
03-10-2010, 08:06 AM
Khatovar

Quote:

Originally Posted by QuantumX

This comment has peaked my interest please explain?

/cleartarget
/assist focus
/use Shadow Crystal Focusing Lens

Focusing crystals force you to face your target, allowing ranged toons to stand in place and rotate to face the target without moving.

It has a 60 yard range, though so it doesn't help if you've run more than your spell max range. You'd face the right way, but be too far away to cast.
03-10-2010, 08:14 AM
Daeri

Quote:

Originally Posted by QuantumX

This comment has peaked my interest please explain?

[item=42420]Shadow Crystal Focusing Lens[/item]

Use this while targetting a mob or a player and your character will automatically turn around to face the target :)

Quote:

Originally Posted by SideWays

Tremor totem doesnt work..

Just checked, indeed you're right : according to wowhead it's a 'horrorify' effect, not a fear.
03-10-2010, 11:29 AM
Poyzon

Quote:

Originally Posted by Daeri

[item=42420]Shadow Crystal Focusing Lens[/item]

Use this while targetting a mob or a player and your character will automatically turn around to face the target :)

Just checked, indeed you're right : according to wowhead it's a 'horrorify' effect, not a fear.

Good Wowhead comments find:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Genericusername

Go to Org. Target random mid-level standing around.

/me begins to drain gold from %t.
/me gains 2 gold.
/in 2 /me gains 4 gold.
/in 4 /me gains 3 gold.
/in 6 /me gains 4 gold.

Watch the drama unfold :)
03-10-2010, 07:57 PM
Greythan

That's hilarious.
03-10-2010, 08:39 PM
Dorffo

silly question... are you setting up in one of the side nooks and abusing LOS as much as possible?

for the first boss - Interact With Target followed by a quick down-arrow / backup keypress will get your ranged oriented correctly and ready to nuke him up again.

edit: shadow and fire resist helps a whole lot (or at least I notice when I forget to put them up).
03-10-2010, 08:53 PM
thinus

Quote:

Originally Posted by Khatovar

The gauntlet just makes me want to pull my hair out because I have a hard time keeping DP up on my pally. No mana = no agro.

Judgement of Wisdom + Seal of Wisdom
You won't generate as much aggro but it shouldn't be a problem. I just perma run with Seal of Wisdom in heroics when I am boxing and if my mana does go low I pop DP and it tops out quickly after that.
03-11-2010, 12:12 AM
Ualaa

I use Blessing of Wisdom on the casters, Blessing of Sanctuary on the tank.
And then use a Runescroll for Fortitude, and Drums for Kings and Mark of the Wild.
3x Healing Stream totems, no mana totems, but have the option to replace Healing with Cleansing.
03-11-2010, 05:30 AM
heyaz

Any gear you really need from there? If I recall, the drops are garbage. There are a few in normal HoR that are good for tanks, but that's about it. Just let Falric enjoy his delicious pear and get onto things that are worth doing :)
03-11-2010, 07:58 PM
jimbobobb

Quote:

Originally Posted by heyaz

Any gear you really need from there? If I recall, the drops are garbage. There are a few in normal HoR that are good for tanks, but that's about it. Just let Falric enjoy his delicious pear and get onto things that are worth doing :)

Pretty much the only decent caster offhand if you don't raid comes from here.
03-11-2010, 08:44 PM
Diwa

Quote:

Originally Posted by jimbobobb

Pretty much the only decent caster offhand if you don't raid comes from here.

Or you can just get www.wowhead.com/?item=Engraved Gargoyle Femur and replace your other Hit Rating equipments

Gains from ICC 5man ilvl232 Weapons/Offhand

Staff
Haste: 36
Hit: 113
Int: 35

Combo [Needle+Offhand]
SP+Enchant: 60
Crit: 90
03-12-2010, 09:42 PM
jinkobi

I never tried this but can you remove gear or equip some crap gear to lower your gearscore and lock yourself out of the ICC 5 mans? Theoretically you'd just have to do it on 1 toon to lock your whole group out.

Guess I should fire up WOW and try it right lol.
03-14-2010, 09:20 AM
jimbobobb

Quote:

Originally Posted by Diwa

Or you can just get www.wowhead.com/?item=Engraved Gargoyle Femur and replace your other Hit Rating equipments

Gains from ICC 5man ilvl232 Weapons/Offhand

Staff
Haste: 36
Hit: 113
Int: 35

Combo [Needle+Offhand]
SP+Enchant: 60
Crit: 90

If healers needed hit, sure. Also if you get the 251 wep from a battered hilt, you'll want a decent offhand. Ephemeral snowflake drops here too for healers. There's actually quite a few good things.

But yeah, it can be a very difficult dungeon if the waves are taxing your team/healer/tank.

For the first guy, iwt and group healing makes it into basically a tank and spank, and the second boss is just a strafe out of the purple/heal whoever has the dot fight. If you can make it through the waves, once you understand exactly what you have to do on the bosses, it will become a very boring run for you.
03-14-2010, 12:20 PM
zenga

Quote:

Originally Posted by jimbobobb

For the first guy, iwt and group healing makes it into basically a tank and spank

How can you do group heal when your toons are all over the place? IWT works to get them back, if they are not stuck behind something. But while they are running back they don't dps. And they still need to heal. Next fear their health even drops more. Not to mention about the debuff. If this guy is a tank/spank fight, then i'm elvis presley.

The waves are a joke for me. Cause it's every time the same. The first boss requires a good amount of luck for a boxer imo (even with cleanse, interrupt & iwt).
03-14-2010, 07:55 PM
jimbobobb

Quote:

Originally Posted by zenga

How can you do group heal when your toons are all over the place? IWT works to get them back, if they are not stuck behind something. But while they are running back they don't dps. And they still need to heal. Next fear their health even drops more. Not to mention about the debuff. If this guy is a tank/spank fight, then i'm elvis presley.

The waves are a joke for me. Cause it's every time the same. The first boss requires a good amount of luck for a boxer imo (even with cleanse, interrupt & iwt).

Just tap iwt once, and wait the 2 or 3 seconds for your guys to run back and start literally meleeing him - then they are all next to each other for aoe heals once again, and can dps him. If you do not have good aoe heals, then single heal everyone back up. As long as you don't lose your head there should be enough time between the horrifies to do this. Basically you need to have a dedicated healer, and that healer needs to top everyone off between fears.
03-14-2010, 09:15 PM
zenga

That's true what you are saying. But it has happened to me that my toons run to either the opposite room, or to the entrance room. Takes longer than 2-3 seconds to run them back. Not to mention that he does that shadow damage aoe. So if you use iwt to get them back you need to move out the once who are too close. And then the debuff can stack up to 75% which makes dps and healing a pain. And in between you have to disspel rhe despair.

My point being: this is for me the most challenging 5 man pve content in the game so far. Even with well geared toons, who can pull 6k+ dps. I've beaten him and it is very possible, but i just totally disagree with you calling it a tank/spank fight since a lot is going on.
03-14-2010, 09:19 PM
jimbobobb

I guess my druid just totally spoils me. Basically wg on cooldown is enough to counteract anything that happens with this guy. I would guess priests are the same, and shaman can't be too far off.

Also he does no aoe that I am aware of besides the damage associated with the fear, so simply having everyone in melee range incurs no damage - no reason to move them.
03-14-2010, 10:17 PM
Lyonheart

i have been clearing Heroic HoR since the 2nd day it went live. i cleared it almost every day for weeks while farming the OH for my team and I have run all my other 80s through it using my paly.. reto sham..2 eles and whatever alt I'm running through.

There is ZERO luck involved. How? its all been stated in this post, but ill go over exactly what i do.
First I LoS every inc trash, I target a ranged and move all the way into that V niche so I'm am completely out of LoS, if more than one ranged are inc, I target a priest or mage or rifleman ( in that order of priority ). When I can cast avengers shield on the ranged I have targted, it gives me a clue that the whole pack "should" be on top of me. I DO NOT DPS OR HEAL until ALL the adds are right on top of my paly >>this is KEY to not having things get out of control. If you DPS or HEAL too early, the caster adds or the rifleman will stand out in the room and make it hard for you. You can buy time to make sure all the adds are agroed on the tank by timing your HOLY WRATH for right when the last mob ( normally one of the casters ) is on top of you. Holy Wrath and step through, laying another consecration down. rinse and repeat. You can also pop fire eles on the last wave if you need to.

For the first boss I drop magma totems at my feet while the boss is inc.. I pop hero and DPS and tank him on top of my crew, and simply use IWT when he fears.. WHILE I'm FEARED i am spamming CH, so it goes off as soon as the fear breaks..IWT .. tap back arrow to stop and dps..rinse and repeat until he dies.

The main thing is NOT to PANIC! i think most people fail at this place due to PANIC. Take a deep breath, always think ahead a step or two, use all the tools your paly has ( hammer stun.. holy wrath.. even fear in a pinch ) You CAN do it! I know you can!

Disclaimer: This is not advice for non paly tank groups 8) GL to those of you with mixed teams!
03-15-2010, 12:37 AM
zenga

lyonheart i agree with the trash. No luck there. You have to stick to the strategy, have enough dps and they go down if you don't screw up. No luck involved here. But the fear from the first boss ... as far as i know you have no conrtol where your slaves are running to like headless chickens. I've had them all over the place, taking ages till they are back. By the time they are healed and dps for a few seconds, next fear is there. And the healing/dps debuff stacks up to 75%. Again it's doable, but it's a small line between wiping or not for me. Maybe racials play a role here? Not sure if the dwarf/undead/human racials can break the fear? I never tried spamming chain heal though during the fear, i usually lose a second or 2 there. Gonna give that a try.

And jimbobobb: " Defiling Horror (Heroic mode) — A blood curdling yell rings out, filling the minds of nearby enemy targets with Horror and dealing 2500 Shadow damage every 1.0 sec. for 4 sec. Instant. As a Horror effect, it is not dispellable, even by Will of the Forsaken or Tremor Totem. 4000 damage per 1 sec on Heroic (4 sec cooldown)".

This was the aoe shadow damage i meant.
03-15-2010, 01:45 AM
jimbobobb

Quote:

Originally Posted by zenga

lyonheart i agree with the trash. No luck there. You have to stick to the strategy, have enough dps and they go down if you don't screw up. No luck involved here. But the fear from the first boss ... as far as i know you have no conrtol where your slaves are running to like headless chickens. I've had them all over the place, taking ages till they are back. By the time they are healed and dps for a few seconds, next fear is there. And the healing/dps debuff stacks up to 75%. Again it's doable, but it's a small line between wiping or not for me. Maybe racials play a role here? Not sure if the dwarf/undead/human racials can break the fear? I never tried spamming chain heal though during the fear, i usually lose a second or 2 there. Gonna give that a try.

And jimbobobb: " Defiling Horror (Heroic mode) — A blood curdling yell rings out, filling the minds of nearby enemy targets with Horror and dealing 2500 Shadow damage every 1.0 sec. for 4 sec. Instant. As a Horror effect, it is not dispellable, even by Will of the Forsaken or Tremor Totem. 4000 damage per 1 sec on Heroic (4 sec cooldown)".

This was the aoe shadow damage i meant.

yup yup - like I said, he does no aoe damage that's not associated with the fear, so you don't have to move your guys - they can be in melee range. Just use iwt to get all your guys right on top of him for aoe heals/to keep track of your guys, keep your cool, single target heal if you have to, and he really does become a piece of cake.

However, my guys are relatively well geared, and I normally have him down to half or less before he even starts his first fear, so I can see how if you had to deal with like 5 fears, it could get really bad.

eta: Oh yeah, it IS resistable by the way, so make sure you have shadow res aura up, or shadow resistance if you have a priest, gotw, etc etc.
03-15-2010, 11:55 AM
Lyonheart

Aye.. the fear does seem to be random.. but as many times as I have done it, I learned to spam my CH until it goes off ( before fear breaks) because every second counts. So as soon as they stop, they are healing the group and back to DPS as fast as possible.

I keep shadow resist up the entire instance.