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I am not sure weather it is me (hunter) or all hunters that really suck in BGs. Everything PWN me, and I seldom damage others. I know I need resil gear and a lot of upgrading, but I do know how to play BGs, at least the old 4. Clothies own me, they all can bubble and damage somehow. then there is all the melee classes. That only leaves hunters, and they kill me faster than I can hurt them.
before I got geared, I would get rolled by anything more than 1-2 enemies. Your best bet is to stick with a big crowd, stay back, and pick off melee at max range. make sure you use traps, that ice trap really sucks, especially in towers/bunkers. Feign death also works on me, sometimes in a heated battle, i see a hunter drop, and i move on, and dont notice him hopping back up and continuing to fire. make an arena team for points and get discounted deadly gear. it will take time, but once you get your resil up, you will start to last longer and pwn more. Patience, young padawan...
I'm not sure what your comp is, but if it's all hunters (or all ranged) I would take advantage of hiding spots like trees and hills that you can shoot through, and just pick off people from there. Avoid terrain and areas that don't work well with your group - if your positioning is bad you negate all the advantages you gain from multiboxing. I don't know much about other ranged groups, but I can tell you that shaman, even in full relentless, are extremely vulnerable in close range and very easily controlled when multiboxed. It's still best for me to find a good place to be a turret and just fire from there, as once I'm spotted I'm not likely to kill more than 2 or 3 people.
I think of hunters are grenade launchers. You can see people 60 yards away (zoom mini-map all way out -1). You can throw the pets 70 yards. The pets insta-respawn with no downsides. So see the person from long way away, have a person tracker (stalker/spy) and send your pets at them. For me, 90% of the time, time, they want to ignore the pets, but when they see their health go down, they turn around and run away.
If they do come after you, you have 2 options, shoot from 40 yards and try to burn them down, or multiple sting (I do 1 scorpid, 3 serpent and 1 viper) and run like hell with your pets chewing on them.
Other things is to just use non-DOT attacks and then put down some freeze traps if they get too close (round-robin style). I would stil throw my pets from a distance. Tracking is your friend.
Other things that I like, beastial wrath just before I attack a priest (fear, and prevent healing through the increased damage). Always DOT a rogue, no matter what. Intimidate (round-robin). Disengage/deterence (not on GCD). Mostly everyone now runs from my pets since they know I won't come at them or near them. Chasing down a cheatah-hunter with 5 ferocity pets on you is not a good plan. I usually get ganked by me having to stand still and fight. I like to guard stuff, so standing still around a node is my weakness. /cry
PS. One fun thing is to send your pets at stuff, and then park them (CTRL-3). It makes them stay there. Even after a fight, they will go back there after they are done. So it helps when you want to stand at a distance and not have everyone see where your pets come from or go back to.
I don't think Hunters suck at BG's.
And I don't think it is you who sucks.
It is the case of being relatively undergeared, in relation to the playing field.
As the gear comes, and your experience with your team...
The ability to kill quicker and not be killed as quickly, will come.
PvP gearing a single toon in BG's, was a distinct pain in the ass, prior to boxing.
Some toons would not die, if I cast at their back as they beat a friend down.
And then they'd turn around and get me too.
But with gearing, I was able to take out groups of 3 toons, fairly consistently with 1 toon.
Of course BG's seem to be... no gear on 95% of the players.
And a ton of gear on the other 5%.
I am in the same boat doing AV in the 70 bracket with my 4 druids. The difference in druids compared to my shaman at the same lvl are crazy. With shaman, switching from dps to helaing then back to dps is sooo less complicated then trying it on druids.
My solution, which will not help you :), was to spec all 4 to resto and rock out like that. I can survive a ton a shit, problem is that trying to melee in tree form sucks.
Then again, if its a large BG like AV, you won't have to melee or cast offensively at all.
Your trees will be very hard to take down.
And you'll stick with a group, or someone who puts out large dps.
And ensure they cannot be taken out.
I am not sure if I would run 4 resto in BG. I would stick with Moonkin or even more fun feral. Bears have crazy survivability just pop your Oh Shit and swipe with all 4 rotate bash. I think that would be fun.
I know when I first started BG I just got rolled. Heck a mage took down my 5 box a few times just embarrassed the crap out of me I hate that resto have tree form it just sticks out in a group begging please kill me first. Things changed as soon as I started to get resilience it is much more enjoyable.
yeah, PvP resto druids are like walking targets... it takes a bit longer to spot the holy priests and paladins, Shamans, follow the chain heal lines lol. I've thought about making an all healer boxing team. be pretty fun to try out, but only for a diversion, i'd want to zomglazerpewpew too much....
I have a set of Disc Priests, from RAF.
They're all 60th, and haven't done anything in a couple of years.
Envisioned them for "a change of pace".
Staying well back from the fray.
And acting as support.
Possibly mana burning x5, the other healers.
I suppose a Resto druid loses too much, if they aren't in a tree form.
And the armor is not there, etc.
Not sure on the survivability of 5x Resto Trees each healing the others.
Especially if they stick with several DPS types.
wow 9 cups of coffee today busy work week I just re-read my post. It is just one friggin run on sentence, go go punctuation.
Hello.
im building 5 elemental shamans right now.
is it not the best way to go for PVP?
I tried it out yesterday and let me tell you it was not fun at all :P
I was taken down rather quickly. I guess i paniced to much and ....
Just curious if if shamans are waste of timef or PvP? whats best tactic for BGs for 5 shammies.
thanks alot.
5 shamans is always a good PvP mix. Many folks are on a Ret Pally, DK kick right now as well. I am much better at PvP I will tell you in the beginning I panicked all the time. PvP is a completely different play style I had to add spells into the mix that I normally did not use in PvE .
Playing in BG and PvP in general has made me much better at PvE. I find that I am much calmer during hectic situations.
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funny shit
They're kinda gimp until you have a ton of gear, and even then they're the softest caster despite being in mail with a shield. In low level BGs I remember them being pretty bad. I do know that warlocks, rets, and rogues do well before 80 though.Quote:
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I had the reverse experience. My BM hunter destroyed AV in crap gear from 70-80. You have so many tools for keeping alive (which is the key to doing well statistically). I would consistently rank top 5-10 in damage done and killing blows from levels 75-79.
Now my warlock and boomkin are severely out-pacing him. The better their gear gets, the farther behind he gets :/
I also have 5 elemental shamans but I found early on it was easier to play only 4 and run with a 5th dedicated healer (seperate player).
At first it was tough but as I geared it up became easier and easier.
At first, me being in a smaller BG like the 15 mans and 10 man it was basically a loss for our team, now its usually a win.
if you are complaining about a one-on-one fight, you will get better with gear and with practice.
if you are complaining about a mass fight where maybe 2-3 or 4 players are beating on your solo player, your supposed to loose, it still gets better with gear and practice.
You sound like your solo boxing, but usually as a multiboxer you are doing 5->1 in the other direction and your supposed to win.
But a well geared mage with a good blizzard should wipe your team if you don't get the bead on them first.
warlocks with a void up seem to be very hard to kill these days. they bubble up as well.
My 5 disc/holy priests are a lot of fun, specially when rogues come in contact and think they can kill me over 5x holy nova and while wearing 5 sw : pain and devouring plague - they die like flies - only problem is running oom though shadowfiend (and pots!) help a bit
I love to run in in the middle of a huge group and holy nova them to death :-)
Too bad that in most AV my group is broken up in different groups and I don't get as much benefit from holy nova that I do in regular 5 man group
Might try to get a PVP stable of pets. I have 6 spirit beasts I like to run for fun but PVP they kind of suck.
Bird of Prey (snatch weapons)
Carrion Bird (lower melee attack power and knock them down when they attack)
Spider (casts a web on them)
Heyena (bites their legs and slows movement speed)
Thinking of adding a bat to the team. Right now i just use a spirit beast on the other hunter.
Also round robin dropping frost blankets and aspect of cheetah to run away from them.
I am geared in PVP blues and one BG epic and do okay. I kill a lot of enemy players and am usually near the top of kills.
thanks for the replies
its when i have like 2-3 guys on me .. they seem to gang up on me
and then the team posts comments like "you better be amazing with those 5 guys"
im like LOL this is my 3rd time i BGs ..
I usually go in Arathi Basin
i guess everyone is right.. practice and gear or I keep dying.