what should I upgrade on this rig

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12-27-2009, 04:51 PM
thedreameater

what should I upgrade on this rig

Built this PC for Age of Conan and I've been using it to 5 box. Seeing some of the amazing vids ya'll are posting, I think it's time to upgrade a piece or two.

Windows Vista 64

NVIDIA GeForce 8800 GTS 512
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814127325

ABIT IP35 Pro LGA 775 Intel P35 ATX Intel Motherboard http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813127030

Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU E8400 @ 3.00GHz (2 CPUs), ~3.0GHz
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16819115037

8 Gb Ram
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820145197

Thanks all and happy holidays!
12-28-2009, 05:36 PM
Bovidae

Assuming this is the list of what you are considering replacing, and you are not interested in an i7 conversion:

Yes, new video card: GTS250 - GTX295
No, new mobo
Yes, new processor: Q9550
No, new RAM
12-28-2009, 05:42 PM
thedreameater

I am probably going to end up buying a new mobo and CPU. With that said - would you still recommend the same video card? I figure I can still get some nice mileage out of my rig, but want to upgrade over time.

Thanks again.
12-29-2009, 12:28 AM
Sajuuk

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bovidae

Assuming this is the list of what you are considering replacing, and you are not interested in an i7 conversion:

Yes, new video card: GTS250 - GTX295
No, new mobo
Yes, new processor: Q9550
No, new RAM

GTS250 is essentially the card he has now with less power used/die shrink/slight overclock. Dual GPU cards can provide an advantage, provided you can shunt part of your workload to the second GPU. (Innerspace can do this) Your current card is fine.

Why immediately the Q9550? Why not get a slightly less powerful (at the start) cpu like the Q6600 and overclock it?

A quad core processor will provide the biggest boost in performance for five boxing on one PC in this situation.

Quote:

Originally Posted by thedreameater

I am probably going to end up buying a new mobo and CPU. With that said - would you still recommend the same video card? I figure I can still get some nice mileage out of my rig, but want to upgrade over time.

Thanks again.

This may be contradictory coming from my mouth, but sometimes it's best not to upgrade just for the sake of upgrading. If you're genuinely bottlenecked by one component or another you could upgrade it, but to say: "WANNA UPGRADE, WHAT SHOULD I DO?" isn't always the best thing.

I genuinely think that this point you'd gain a big boost from getting a quad core.
12-29-2009, 12:35 AM
Trick

Surprised that no one has suggested replacing the OS with Windows 7 64 bit yet...
12-30-2009, 02:48 PM
d0z3rr

Get an i7. Q6600 is some seriously old architecture. This coming from a Q6600 owner.
12-30-2009, 07:52 PM
thedreameater

Thanks for all the replies.

Sajuuk - I can't afford to upgrade at the moment, just looking ahead in 2010. I might be able to get one or two pieces.

Looks like I'll be upping the mobo+CPU for i7 support and adding a 2nd video card. Will probably boost the ram at that point as well.

Trick - Will Windows 7 really show an improvement? The OS will be the last thing I upgrade, but if others have noticed W7 is kicking some ass, maybe I'll have to knock it up the list sooner.

Took a break from WoW for a month to do some music. Stunbled across this video, reminds me of boxing.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CYv5jqHMe5c
12-31-2009, 02:02 AM
Shodokan

Quote:

Originally Posted by thedreameater

Thanks for all the replies.

Sajuuk - I can't afford to upgrade at the moment, just looking ahead in 2010. I might be able to get one or two pieces.

Looks like I'll be upping the mobo+CPU for i7 support and adding a 2nd video card. Will probably boost the ram at that point as well.

Trick - Will Windows 7 really show an improvement? The OS will be the last thing I upgrade, but if others have noticed W7 is kicking some ass, maybe I'll have to knock it up the list sooner.

Took a break from WoW for a month to do some music. Stunbled across this video, reminds me of boxing.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CYv5jqHMe5c

I'm LOVING windows 7... just got my new comp today :)
12-31-2009, 02:07 AM
yaki

Switch to a quad core CPU, then see if any further upgrades are necessary. Do not start swapping out half the system at once unless you have cash to burn.

Quote:

Originally Posted by d0z3rr

Get an i7. Q6600 is some seriously old architecture. This coming from a Q6600 owner.

Still works fine. WoW is damn old, and most things that can actually benefit from four cores need parallelism more than brute per-core power. Really, modern CPUs are overpowered for most things that end up being done with them even more generally.
12-31-2009, 03:22 AM
spannah

The dual core is your bottle neck. You may have trouble finding a Q6600. I suggest a Q8200 or Q8400, $150 and $160 respectively at newegg.com
Save your bucks on w7 and video card for a new system at a later time.
12-31-2009, 03:40 AM
Sajuuk

Quote:

Originally Posted by yaki

Switch to a quad core CPU, then see if any further upgrades are necessary. Do not start swapping out half the system at once unless you have cash to burn.

Still works fine. WoW is damn old, and most things that can actually benefit from four cores need parallelism more than brute per-core power. Really, modern CPUs are overpowered for most things that end up being done with them even more generally.

Exactly. When I stopped actively multiboxing for a while I had the VAST potential of my CPU just sitting and wasting away from lack of use. (So I started folding)

Quote:

Originally Posted by spannah

The dual core is your bottle neck. You may have trouble finding a Q6600. I suggest a Q8200 or Q8400, $150 and $160 respectively at newegg.com
Save your bucks on w7 and video card for a new system at a later time.

Indeed. While W7 is snappier and altogether better, it doesn't mean you have to rush to get it (Unless of course you're a student and can get it for twenty dollars. :D )
12-31-2009, 04:10 PM
d0z3rr

Quote:

Originally Posted by yaki

Still works fine. WoW is damn old, and most things that can actually benefit from four cores need parallelism more than brute per-core power. Really, modern CPUs are overpowered for most things that end up being done with them even more generally.

Umm, not really. Look at some benchmarks for the Q6600 vs the i7 and the i7 blows it completely out of the water, even for single threaded games.
12-31-2009, 08:01 PM
Sajuuk

Quote:

Originally Posted by d0z3rr

Umm, not really. Look at some benchmarks for the Q6600 vs the i7 and the i7 blows it completely out of the water, even for single threaded games.

Also take into account the Q6600 is called a Core 2 Quad for a reason: It's two Core 2 Duo dies on a single chip, whereas the i7 is a ''''''''''true'''''''''' quad core.

But, unless you have around 900 dollars to spend on an upgrade (assuming you want 12GB of ram), and use your computer for more CPU intensive things than WoW/Gaming, might as well get a good Core 2 Quad.
12-31-2009, 10:36 PM
yaki

Quote:

Originally Posted by d0z3rr

Umm, not really. Look at some benchmarks for the Q6600 vs the i7 and the i7 blows it completely out of the water, even for single threaded games.

Yeah, because I totally want to build a computer to multibox SuperPi.
01-19-2010, 01:57 PM
thedreameater

Thanks for the advice all. My Q9400 arrived today from Newegg and I install it tonight. Down the line I will upgrade my GPU and HD to an SSD.

Here's what I got
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...819115131#spec

Here's what I had
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16819115037
01-19-2010, 02:15 PM
crowdx

I have the same CPU in my system and it runs cool at 3ghz. The next biggest upgrade that helped me for 5 boxing was upgrading the memory from 4 gig to 8 gig. I may at a later point upgrade the video card but I do not believe it is a bottleneck right now, running an Nvidia 9800gtx.
01-19-2010, 04:10 PM
Gramzngunz

Kinda coming in late, but my opinion would be a mobo and proc upgrade. It's obvious that you don't have unlimited cash to burn, so I would stick w/ the 8800 for now. The other guy was right that 250's are basically the same card and not worth putting dollars into upgrading. If you're Vista is running fine I wouldn't put money into W7 either. Not a cost effective upgrade in terms of gaming performance. My hard drive died so I'm upgrading to W7, but honestly it wasn't too high on my list as my system has been running great w/ Vista on it. I donno what your interest in hard drives is, but you might want to at least check out the new SSD's on the market, they are SEXY and going down in price...kinda. :D

Just my two cents.

Good luck w/ the upgrade and happy gaming!
01-19-2010, 04:11 PM
Gramzngunz

Quote:

Originally Posted by thedreameater

Thanks for the advice all. My Q9400 arrived today from Newegg and I install it tonight. Down the line I will upgrade my GPU and HD to an SSD.

Here's what I got
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...819115131#spec

Here's what I had
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16819115037

lol looks like I missed this post when I wrote mine!
Looks good man enjoy!