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So .. iam now all 80 with my toons ( dk+4 ret ),,,it was awesome to level,but now i am read..heroic with 5 melees is a pain..caus the huge Aoe Damage from some Bosses.
Now i am not sure,to make the next Step and give all my money away to buy new items and other things. Is it realy worth ? Is my team Heroicable, or shoul i go the "normal" way with tank,range dps,rangeheal?
It might just be the new 80 lack of gear pain most teams have (just like solo players hitting 80 in November 08). As pointed out there are a number of other melee teams out there that can do even the hardest instances. Either craft or grind badges or solo play you tank up to a decent level of gear. It will take an investment of either gold or play time to get them to roll the heroics and all melee teams will always have trade offs with the classic tank and ranged.
I got my latest team (4 DK + Holy Pally) to 80 only a few weeks ago and have messed around a little here and there. This team is a bit different since I run the healer and use interact with target to run the tank and dps around remotely. Some heroic fights you will find you can do right now, some take a level of gear to make happen. If you have a geared team at 80, just mix in some of the new 80s to gear and badge them out. Or if you have massive amounts of gold and mats just craft/buy your gear. Do your dailies, wear your tabbards when in instances to get the faction upgrades... kill the bosses you can, get a healer friend to help you out with instances until you gear up.
I agree that hitting the instances you can hit and incrementally gearing up would most likely make it happen.
Clearing all the instances cleanly isn't going to happen if your new to melee and possibly under geared.
The AOE damage I am not sure about really, you need the ability to deal with that pretty much the whole time. Unless your /played is really low. So there are likely some melee things you need to do now that would have normally been done long ago. More than just iwt + assist dps rotation for sure.
That said, its not as hard as people without tanks or people without healing. The spectacular wipes I have had with my rogue team Oy vey, you learn quick for the need for a 'everyone side strafe off target!'
I hit 80 with my dk/rets today as well and already taking down heroics np. go farm the mace from normal Pit of Saron by the time you get all 5 you should be able to get 1 piece of t9. thats all im wearing aside from the full 78 pvp gear. Right now anub'arak is stomping my face with that "Pound" ability /sigh. Anyway it can be done keep trying!
I destroy every heroic without incident on my ret and DK team.
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i tried that before i asked.
pwned
I tried to find it too, but I can't figure out which DK is his :/
The tank seems to be the cornerstone, for heroics/instances and such.
As an option, use the dungeon finder tool, and one-box your tank through several heroics and instances.
All you have to manage is the one toon, which makes it a lot easier on you.
And you get to learn the fights a bit too.
After a weekend of pugs, you should have at least iLV 200 in every slot, and a bunch of badges for 2-3 more pieces.
With the much better geared tank, instances will be a ton easier.
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Its all about gear. At the start, every little mistake will show you the limits. Did not attack the ice block on the 1st boss of utgarde? You will die. Missing movement on AOE? You will die. Once your gear is decent, you can steamroll those bosses by simply dpsing them down.
The interesting part of the game is.. to gear your toons up to be overpowered. Once they are, you can go for the harder things. Progression. Thats normal. And yes, its hard at the beginning. And yes, its easy at the end. Once you got BiS gear (for a multiboxer), heroics will become easy.
With bad gear and a melee group you will even go to wipe at bosses as like Ionar ..none heroic.
You need to setup movement, strafe right, left, all toons or one toon (in special the healer, if you got melees you just could keep them on the boss while kiting the boss with the tank, and pull your melees out of the fire or poison or void zone or whatever.
Start with easy heroics, as like Nexus or Utgarde. To multibox also means you have to be patient. But once you made the effort, and you got full t9 plus heroic gear plus crafted gear, you will have much fun without major headaches from movement bosses.
This is so true. My DK just dinged 80, has 3 crafted Epics (2 JC and ENG Hlem). The rest are mostly quest greens. Do not use the Random Dungeon Finder when you are at this level. I got a heroic and the group politely asked me to leave after getting wiped in secs on first boss. Pick an easy Normal like Nexas. As the only 80 (others were 77 with a 69 mage tagging along, we did fine, 69 died once and I died at the end so the others finished up and I got the acheivement.