New High: 2503 DK + 4 Ret

Got my 2200 weapons this week and went 31-1 and got up to 2461. Gladiator will require somewhere in the top 5-10 depending on how blizzard determines an active team since there are 2200ish teams in my BG with at least some rating and the top 0.5% gets Gladiator.

One thing to note, halfway through this week I switched to Seal of Command. I'm still a fan of Seal of Righteousness since it has superior single target DPS but it seems when you get your STR super high the difference seems to lessen and the AoE component of SoC starts to make up for it.

Heh and back down to 2266! Grats though, Im surprised you didnt have the points saved for the 2200 weps as soon as you hit it. I would be scared to be dropped back under.

Oh and Im not surprised you dont share tactics, macros or videos. It's a dog eat dog world out there and I know the teams you are facing will use that info against you.

Grats on the rating! Too bad you can't share any vids but I can't blame you. I cant fraps and have any chance of a good fps with my current hardware either.

Think you will have enough points for 2200 weapons before the season ends?

peace

plz make a movie!

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If you were to solo multi-box 3s, what class makeup would you use?

Congrats on new high. Im doing it for a change of pace. 4 ele shamans for the past 3 years or so and im looking for somthing new. You hit 1800 in basicaly no time which is good enough for me. im looking forward to being alone ad being able to do games whenever i want. So you divine sac and bubble 1 pally at a time is that what im seeing? Or do you divine sac and make sure that toon gets your instant FoL's? Just curious

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Originally Posted by Kromtor

I play my 5's team alone as you know, but I'm also doing a 3's team with a buddy. He's dual boxing a holy paly and unholy DK and I'm playing my Warrior who I kicked to the curb out of my pally group. We're up to 2140's but it's been a lot of ups and downs. 3's are a totally different beast but a lot of fun. Less chaos. Team link:
http://www.wowarmory.com/team-info.x...t+an+Adjective


No you're not getting any videos, I'm a performance freak and won't spare a CPU cycle for anything. The game runs like shit sometimes for no reason as it is and scares the crap out of my in arenas.

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hehe grats. I enjoy boxing 2s/3s more than 5s. I have 5 teams above 2k all 2s/3s thanks to wiz cleave but I am going to be selfish and not show vids/setup, its why I appreciate it when people show their setup/videos. They are better folks than me, I admit it,.

I decide to concentrate on 2s and 3s more because there is always a shit load more games and the ebb and flow of the game in general. Season 5 my 3 hunters were beasts in 3v3, not so much anymore. Wizcleave is where its at currently in 2s and 3s and I am sure the fotm comps will change again and again thru the seasons/expansion. It allows me to play a shit load of different characters with different specs. 2 dps are just a fucken blast in 2s. Ret/enh is amazing, destro/ele rocks the socks! Shadowcleave is just plain fun,etc etc.... currently working on another rogue for 2s, double rogue! I still stack classes for BGs/WG to maximize honor PNAD.

edit to say a thanks to kromtor because even with what little info you have released you have started a melee pvp revolution. In much the same way Ellay started shamans.

Very nice Krom. Congrats on that. Anyone that says, "Why box melee and dks to beat it all?" I tell them about you. They're like WOW! Of course I tell them you do the rets and one dk. Keep on keepin on man!

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Very Impressive
If you were to solo multi-box 3s, what class makeup would you use?

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Definitely 3 DPS. My DK is in a 3 DPS group rated 2111, prot DPS, unholy DK, afflic lock.. i'd do something like that but it'd be hard to play them all right but not as hard as mixing a healer.


I'll be able to get the weapons if there's another 2 or 3 weeks.

I think Kromtor is a pretty cool guy. eh plays 5 melee and doesn't afraid of anything

lol "doesnt afraid of anything"

Where did that come from?

Give us video .. Now ! ;-)

I heard about this guy who doesn't afraid of anything.

Yeah, I'd actually be interested in even seeing you doing practice 5v5 and showing up some pure carnage =)

I have had a DK / Ret team for a while I never took seriously just for points and fun and they have been a blast but they aren't even gemmed enchanted and im very happy to see you so high.

I'm still a little hazy on how though, as you said you control the DK manually and then the rets are on a click system? hmm.. interesting. do you have DS on its own button?

Krom posted earlier that he seperates the divine storm so its not wasted while out of range.

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Yeah, I'd actually be interested in even seeing you doing practice 5v5 and showing up some pure carnage =)

I have had a DK / Ret team for a while I never took seriously just for points and fun and they have been a blast but they aren't even gemmed enchanted and im very happy to see you so high.

I'm still a little hazy on how though, as you said you control the DK manually and then the rets are on a click system? hmm.. interesting. do you have DS on its own button?

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This isnt going to happen until there are multiple ret groups out there highly ranked and everyone that faces them has a known strat for beating them. Would you want to share a video of practicing when you know there is a high possibility it will be used by the opposition? I'm even surprised he let us know that this comp works. If I had figured it out I would probably keep it a secret until I got my 2200 weps and full relentless.

You know, I hear that a lot but I'm still skeptical. I think a video gives you some more insight but is it really enough to make a difference? Do you really think so? I remain unconvinced. Anyone that would use the video has fought Kromtor a bunch of times and knows what's coming.

I can learn alot about your screwups and see where you failed, especially if you post your losses if I see them in a video.

It's not that they dont know whats coming by now, but putting a video out there makes it real easy for people who only faced him once or have heard of "that palading multiboxer" can be shown a video of his strat. It's like giving the opposing team a playbook. It can ONLY hurt him by posting a video. He gains nothing out of it.

That and some people are a little more paranoid than others (including myself.)

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It's not that they dont know whats coming by now, but putting a video out there makes it real easy for people who only faced him once or have heard of "that palading multiboxer" can be shown a video of his strat. It's like giving the opposing team a playbook. It can ONLY hurt him by posting a video. He gains nothing out of it.

That and some people are a little more paranoid than others (including myself.)

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No idea what your talking about.

Lol what is that pic of? cabbage with tin foil?

I think when I made my Shaman vidoes there were a few pieces I wanted to keep under wraps at the time. Positioning was a huge important factor and the biggest weakness of the comp was getting rushed, the more the opposing team played defensively the easier it was to win a game. Building the hype on the Shaman team actually proved very fruitful since some teams were so timid they lost as soon as the gates opened.

This comp is all about offensive rushing, the only holes that I would not want to show is being effectively CC / kited, limit that out of the video and it should be fine.

I agree he has nothing to gain from posting a video... In game. I feel like this community exists to help better everyone involved. It's tantalizing to see his results and to actually get so little information about how it's achieved.

Private arena forum section where verified arena boxers can share strat info/videos would be good. 30,000+ forum "members" and maybe 20-30 or so boxers actively pursuing arena = hrrmmm..... I am probably keeping my rogue progress hush hush (limited to private talks) unless something like this is instituted. Sharing videos may not be life or death but everything helps. Mystery is your friend.

Sooooo Ellay... What can you do for us vis a vis a private forum for pvp stuffs? :) If it allows everyone the peace of mind they need to share macros, videos, etc etc then I'll put whatever time into it is necessary to make it work.

I am not so sure about hiding information from the rest of the community. How can you verify or decide who to be put into this special pvp group. I doubt that any solo players will concern about fighting boxers enough to come and read boxing forums. People who are here are all with some interests in boxing. This is not the "xzin high warlord" age where people have no clues about boxers.

As for strategies, there are nothing more you can do than 5 individual players playing. People all know what you have. 1DK + 4 paladins, it is so obvious that you are going to zerg them. People expect you to use all your skills before you go down. So there is no reason to hide information like that. With interact with target, I don't see any positions either. They all just run around in circles. People beat boxers not because they have read our forums. They beat us because they have played us enough to know what will work.

A perfect example is asonimie's focus burst macro. I don't see how solo players will beat us by knowing that we are using this macro. They still don't know who we are bursting. All they know is that our current target might not be the one we are going to take down.


The only thing i see with private forum is to hide information from other boxers where you have reached certain ranks and others can't until they have figured things out.

Just showing someone's UI could be enough. Knowing if they have buttons for so-and-so might be sufficient enough to give an edge. /shrug

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I am not so sure about hiding information from the rest of the community. How can you verify or decide who to be put into this special pvp group. I doubt that any solo players will concern about fighting boxers enough to come and read boxing forums. People who are here are all with some interests in boxing. This is not the "xzin high warlord" age where people have no clues about boxers.

As for strategies, there are nothing more you can do than 5 individual players playing. People all know what you have. 1DK + 4 paladins, it is so obvious that you are going to zerg them. People expect you to use all your skills before you go down. So there is no reason to hide information like that. With interact with target, I don't see any positions either. They all just run around in circles. People beat boxers not because they have read our forums. They beat us because they have played us enough to know what will work.

A perfect example is asonimie's focus burst macro. I don't see how solo players will beat us by knowing that we are using this macro. They still don't know who we are bursting. All they know is that our current target might not be the one we are going to take down.


The only thing i see with private forum is to hide information from other boxers where you have reached certain ranks and others can't until they have figured things out.

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This is the case nowadays, because shamans aren't as viable anymore and we aren't a threat for the gladiator title. If I hypothetically get my rogues to 2600 and start stealing gladiator titles from other players, I guarantee there will be huge target on our heads again and a decent forum QQ uproar.

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Originally Posted by remanz

I am not so sure about hiding information from the rest of the community. How can you verify or decide who to be put into this special pvp group. I doubt that any solo players will concern about fighting boxers enough to come and read boxing forums. People who are here are all with some interests in boxing. This is not the "xzin high warlord" age where people have no clues about boxers.

As for strategies, there are nothing more you can do than 5 individual players playing. People all know what you have. 1DK + 4 paladins, it is so obvious that you are going to zerg them. People expect you to use all your skills before you go down. So there is no reason to hide information like that. With interact with target, I don't see any positions either. They all just run around in circles. People beat boxers not because they have read our forums. They beat us because they have played us enough to know what will work.

A perfect example is asonimie's focus burst macro. I don't see how solo players will beat us by knowing that we are using this macro. They still don't know who we are bursting. All they know is that our current target might not be the one we are going to take down.


The only thing i see with private forum is to hide information from other boxers where you have reached certain ranks and others can't until they have figured things out.

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Sorry most of the people who pvp alot dont seem to agree with you. I dont see to many people saying hey here are my 5v5 losses. Why ? Because there *IS* information in the videos that will / could be deterimental to your "edge". There is really no reason a new person who joined two weeks ago needs arena tactics from others. I talked to super and with some of his stipulations it sounded good and relatively safe. Gurb on the other hand told me this isnt elitsts jerks. I don't feel that this is anything elitists. I would say if you can prove that you have a 3-4-5 box team @ level 80 you should be welcome to view others tactics and tricks. But letting every joe blow that can /register is not the secure option. I mean it's not going to affect me I can use PM like a champ and most people have been kind enough to respond. Others have stated that they will *not* post tactics openly anymore. So whos really being hurt by not having this, the answer is if your interested in arena tactics.. you are.

The teams will figure out how to exploit and counter you just by playing them multiple times. There's really not much to learn about beating a shaman team, but I can imagine if a new comp comes along that's a big threat, putting up a video tutorial or posting macros - you can be certain your opponents will read it.

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The teams will figure out how to exploit and counter you just by playing them multiple times. There's really not much to learn about beating a shaman team, but I can imagine if a new comp comes along that's a big threat, putting up a video tutorial or posting macros - you can be certain your opponents will read it.

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Yeah 100% true, not saying there are not counters or counters would not be developed. But its like having quest helper.. it's there why not use it =).

You can still do the quests without it, but it just makes it so much easier.

I would be up for a private forum thing, maybe everyone who wants to be a member must be invited by another member and also approved by admins of the section or something?

This would alleviate some of the secrecy on the forums about certain things, but i doubt it will get us a video from Kromtor :P

I guess you could link your multibox team and then we could decide whether or not you are legit. I'm sure something about that can be faked, though.

Yeah I offered to help with verification. That was one of the ideas. Really hoping we could have gotten some word on this by now, super said he would speak to Ellay.

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Yeah I offered to help with verification. That was one of the ideas. Really hoping we could have gotten some word on this by now, super said he would speak to Ellay.

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Ellay was active on the post yesterday, I'm sure he's read it.

Sooo this special forum would be created in the off chance of a hand holding walk thru from kromtor? If anything, kromtor success has taught me one thing...................well 2 actually. ;p

damn dble post!

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Sooo this special forum would be created in the off chance of a hand holding walk thru from kromtor? If anything, kromtor success has taught me one thing...................well 2 actually. ;p

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No it's not a place for kromtor to hold our hands and post something, it would just be a "more secure" area then the regular information any tom dick or harry that can /register is able to view.

Kromtor has already stated here that he does not wish to post videos or show things due to its ability to possibly weaken his tactics.

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Kromtor has already stated here that he does not wish to post videos or show things due to its ability to possibly weaken his tactics.

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I must have missed that. All I saw was due to CPU performance he was not going to make a video.

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Originally Posted by Fat Tire

I must have missed that. All I saw was due to CPU performance he was not going to make a video.

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blah blah blah. My box is garbage - q6600 with a ati 3650 video card and I just fraps'd 10 arena games at 1440x900 res and I had zero performance issues. I couldn't even tell it was running. It's not performance preventing him from making a video

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blah blah blah. My box is garbage - q6600 with a ati 3650 video card and I just fraps'd 10 arena games at 1440x900 res and I had zero performance issues. I couldn't even tell it was running. It's not performance preventing him from making a video

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:D

Gotta guard those special arena boxing tactics. WoW is serious business. I heard there is like a secret handshake and shit.