4x Rogue PTR

Rogue video is up! VERY basic video. No music. Just to give you guys an idea how hard these guys burst. All targets are full relentless, 1150 resilience, and between 25,000 - 40,000 HP. Most of it was done without a healer so I didn't last forever but you'll get an idea what I'm talking about.

Note: Please pay attention to the targets class/HP pool. Some of the kills seem slow at 3-4 seconds... until you see its a warrior/pally with 31-40k hp.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zHLcZb5rmNI

Enjoy. Let me know what ya think.

Really nice video. The damage is about what I was expecting. Any chance of showing some PTR arena matches?

I just see that kind of relative damage now with my Pallies at 79, except they can heal/cleanse/bop/etc. Hmmmm.

I have three low level rogs I'm working on. I find doing more then 3 in the small BGs to put too much pressure on me to help win hehe.

What skills do you use in your click macro in that video?

no click macros in pvp. What you see my main clicking is what they are all doing. I believe in individual ability control in PVP.

Its almost impossible to get an arena game on PTR, either skirmish or rated. Warsong and wintergrasp is all people do. Wish it was possible.

And ya the pally damage is great. But I am bringing a healer friend for the 5th spot, instead of a DK to snare / whatever. Healer is a huge factor. So is MS and autosnare.


In the end play what makes you happy. These guys are incredible. Obviously Krom proved pallies have potential, I just do not enjoy the ret pally feel as much. These rogues are so dam fun to play for me. And when I get bored I get to do stealth runs into opposing cities and camp people.

cool video..makes me want to get back to gearing my rogues!

do eeet!!!

How do you do the dancing of the rogues? Is it interact with target spam?

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Originally Posted by David

How do you do the dancing of the rogues? Is it interact with target spam?

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yup :) They have like a 95% hit ratio. They land all their attacks. Its pure magic.

Thats good stuff. Almost seems easier to do then with shamans (IE less to worry about and buttons from the looks of it)

I think I would have to attempt melee myself to see if I actually liked it or not, because although it looks good it almost seems like you almost lose some of them to the random run away from the group bug etc, but then they come back.

after a target dies, theres nothing to interact with so they keep autorunning. Just hit follow and they are right there. server response lag makes it seem worse than it is.

I would like to see more out-of-stealth stuff if you can. That's going to be the tipping point for me.

It's a given they're going to gib their initial target. Then? That's what I want to see.

Again, awesomesauce here :)

To what key did you bind the interact with target?

I find it hard to spam the key + doing assist and pressing ability keys at the same time.

I tryed binding it a mouse key but hotkeynet doesn`t seem to like any keys to my mouse. It just moves my camera around in a weird way and makes my mouse jump to the wow windows of the slaves.

Ya I know what you mean. I included 3-4 clips where I go on a 3-6 target killing spree. With no healer I admit I do get aoe down quick... but anyone does. The ending clip of me in wintergrasp is a good example. killed 6 targets in about 14 seconds... all fully geared and with no healer. You can easily see the damage mutilate spam does... its just as bursty as ambush/stealth attack.

I completely agree with you tho, sustained damage is a must. I wouldn't have rolled my rogues if a stealth gib was all they could do. In 5v5, any insta gib will turn the battle extremely in your favor tho... so its win win for me either way.

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Originally Posted by David

To what key did you bind the interact with target?

I find it hard to spam the key + doing assist and pressing ability keys at the same time.

I tryed binding it a mouse key but hotkeynet doesn`t seem to like any keys to my mouse. It just moves my camera around in a weird way and makes my mouse jump to the wow windows of the slaves.

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I totally agree. Spamming interact on the keyboard with left hand really kills my ability to smoothly hit my other keybinds. I use interact on the mouse.

I use a MX revolution mouse which is awesome for boxing... it has like 8 possible binds, and a horizontal scroll wheel. I have it bound to the hor. scroll wheel, whether its back, forward, or downpress - all same hotkey (bound to "u" through the logitech mouse keybindings), so ISboxer/keyclone read a "u" keyboard press. It allows me to be sloppy with it and not have repeat the exact same motion over and over if I get fatigued. Much easier on the hands. I'm basically just flicking the hor. wheel back and forth the whole time :P

If I recall correctly HKN allows someone to bind two keys to one actual click if I`m correct. If so that would solve some problems if it`s legal to do.

Just bind the IAWT key to all ability keys.

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Originally Posted by David

If I recall correctly HKN allows someone to bind two keys to one actual click if I`m correct. If so that would solve some problems if it`s legal to do.

Just bind the IAWT key to all ability keys.

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that would be outside the TOS fyi

Do you mean legal or not with that one?

illegal. 1 physical button can never = 2 keybinds

Thought so as well. I`m trying find a solution for doing IAWT on my mouse. I use HKN and want to use mouse5 to spam it. Sadly when I share the mouse5 through HKN weird things happen. It seems like it deselects my main chars window for a moment resulting in huge camara spins.

Fun video... thanks for posting!

Found a solution allready, My MX5 mouse lets me bind a mousekey to a keyboard key.

Back on topic. I assume you don`t use IAWT on your main right?

No I don't. I thought about it since it works so dam well on the clones... but as long as my IAWT is comfortable and doesnt interfere... no harm in playing the main rogue like normal.

Bad part of this is the bit where close seem to run of to weird directions and sometime they just zerg around a mob/player and some other time they just stand still hitting it.

I see the swirling rogues as a huge benefit actually. Thats what good rogues always do to players, and I've watched their screens... they still hit all their abilities perfectly. Makes me insanely hard to target / decipher whats going on. I love that they do that.... using game bugs to our advantage ftw!

I really liked the video -- looks like a fun new take on boxing.

However it seems to me that 4 or 5 elemental shamans will still do better because we're ranged and can rapidly switch targets where as a rogue (or any melee) has to run to their next target.

Don't get me wrong though, the sounds of 5 rogues stabbing people was pretty cool :)

Depending on your spam speed, with ISBoxer, you can do your DPS macro's as two steps.
Step 1 (physical push 1) will hit your Interact Keybind.
Step 2 (physical push 2) will hit your desired button.

So if you DPS moves on say 1-8.
You'd edit your 1-8 keys to 2 steps (copy the existing step).
Then edit the first step for each, to be FTL Assist Me + Interact Keybind.
And leave the second step (original configuration) as is.

You'd have to get into the habit of spamming those keys very quickly.
Two presses instead of one, for each attack.
But you'd have interact on every attack, without needing a second physical key.

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Originally Posted by Ualaa

Depending on your spam speed, with ISBoxer, you can do your DPS macro's as two steps.
Step 1 (physical push 1) will hit your Interact Keybind.
Step 2 (physical push 2) will hit your desired button.

So if you DPS moves on say 1-8.
You'd edit your 1-8 keys to 2 steps (copy the existing step).
Then edit the first step for each, to be FTL Assist Me + Interact Keybind.
And leave the second step (original configuration) as is.

You'd have to get into the habit of spamming those keys very quickly.
Two presses instead of one, for each attack.
But you'd have interact on every attack, without needing a second physical key.

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Very very good idea..

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Originally Posted by Clovis

I really liked the video -- looks like a fun new take on boxing.

However it seems to me that 4 or 5 elemental shamans will still do better because we're ranged and can rapidly switch targets where as a rogue (or any melee) has to run to their next target.

Don't get me wrong though, the sounds of 5 rogues stabbing people was pretty cool :)

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I understand what your thinking here, but I have to disagree. One of the biggest problems with elemental shamans is the fact we have a cast time, and ranged (easy to LOS), and we have facing requirements. Rogues solve all these problems with the result of more constant damage, instead of having to wait for someone to step in the open... or deal with melee doing figure 8s around us. Other than being hard rooted (which we have 3-4 ways to get out of roots), you can't escape a rogues damage. With shaman people escape our dmg all the time by pillar humping/running behind, spell immunities.

This video makes me want to make a 5 man rogue team :)

i think i might jump in with my 4 80 shamans and dk on a wg with u one night when i get time to play due to work. Then we can rock some ass. Or maybe ill just leave my dk out and do shamans lol.

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Originally Posted by asonimie

illegal. 1 physical button can never = 2 keybinds

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I wouldnt really say it that way, in that sense keymaps wouldnt be legal. I think if you could get something to send 1 + 2 at the same time, that its 1 action. Im pretty sure i used to be able to change my herbalism / mining tracking using left and right I would do that as I flew to track both. Everytime i went left my tracking changed, and when id go right it would switch back.

I think it would be interesting to see rogues in arena. It looks like they are pretty fun in BGs.


I am piggybacking here because really I dont have the time necessary to level/gear/practice to see if x4 rogues would work. What can I say, I am jealous. ;p

I wonder if x3 rogues could do ok in 3v3 to a mid rating 1500 or so?

I'm going to give it a shot too -- just need to re download the test server client.

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Originally Posted by Fat Tire

I think it would be interesting to see rogues in arena. It looks like they are pretty fun in BGs.


I am piggybacking here because really I dont have the time necessary to level/gear/practice to see if x4 rogues would work. What can I say, I am jealous. ;p

I wonder if x3 rogues could do ok in 3v3 to a mid rating 1500 or so?

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Good idea, doing 3v3 might be a faster way to hit 1800 weapons quick... I'll let ya know asap :)

i had to watch the whole thing, loved every minute of it.

I allways wanted to try mage/warlock pvp but seeing how much fun melee pvp is now I`m swapping around. After these rets I`ll level me either warriors, ferals or rogues. Atleast all 1-60. This is just to much fun!

I got kinda of worried when I saw those warriors pop bladestorm and the scene cut out before you could tell how it turned out. I guess evasion was on cooldown? Then again you can't dodge attacks from behind and any decent melee in arena is going to be on your back the whole time you're visible so I dunno if you can ignore them even with evasion.

I think the healer makes or breaks this team. You almost have to go druid for the stealth and the cyclone/root melee peeling.

8:55 - 9:12 was the best part. Melted that lock through demon armor and soul link while the disc priest was healing with penance, and then the disc priest gives up after the fear break and spits on you. Watching his inner fire count down made me lol.

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Originally Posted by Naysayer

I got kinda of worried when I saw those warriors pop bladestorm and the scene cut out before you could tell how it turned out. I guess evasion was on cooldown? Then again you can't dodge attacks from behind and any decent melee in arena is going to be on your back the whole time you're visible so I dunno if you can ignore them even with evasion.

I think the healer makes or breaks this team. You almost have to go druid for the stealth and the cyclone/root melee peeling.

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Ya most of the video I was without healer, and against 3-7 enemies I'd get 1-2 kills in then get ganked. I wasn't dying at an alarming rate or anything. Felt very similar to my shamans with no healer around. Nothing that worries me. Bladestorm hurts, but not as bad as I thought it would.

I'm thinking druid healer to start off with at least. The main issue I see is that any other healer will cause them to mount and zerg the healer, making it hard for me to get in position, then again... it could split them up and disorganize them. A well placed sap will leave someone all alone while their team runs after my healer. I have a geared druid and shaman waiting to go, so I'll play both sides here and report back what works :)

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Originally Posted by Naysayer

8:55 - 9:12 was the best part. Melted that lock through demon armor and soul link while the disc priest was healing with penance, and then the disc priest gives up after the fear break and spits on you. Watching his inner fire count down made me lol.

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haha ya thanks! That part, and when I speed killed 5 people in wintergrasp are my 2 favorite parts.