Newbie... can my rig run and more..

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11-14-2009, 12:51 AM
Tovya

Newbie... can my rig run and more..

Hey guys,

What I've been doing in the past is 2boxing, using two machines, with a keyboard/mouse for each... I just upgraded my main PC:

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Win XP Home SP3 Intel Core 2 Duo E7300 @ 2.66Ghz 3GB Ram nVidia GeForce 9500 GT 512MB

and gave my parents my other computer. I can run 2 clients of WoW no problem, but running 3 seems to lock me up. I thought my machine would be strong enough to run 4 at the most, maybe I need to figure out how to let each client use a processor/memory to make it work? Not sure. 3 clients is what I need to run though, and I've been looking at the different multi-boxing software out there. So far I've tried HKN, which I like but has some limitations that I think Keyclone would fix for me. I tried out Mubox as well, and even made 2 other WoW directories to give me 3 total, but I cannot get the isolation to work properly yet; waiting for a response from the creator for help.

So, I've been reading through the forums here, and have gained a lot of information that I didn't have to start with. The general consensus seems to be that HKN is the way to go for a freeware product, but Keyclone is the way (funds are a little tight, ISOBoxer is out of the question for me financially) to go for a paid product. What I have right now are two boomkin druids that I'm running together, made much easier by a keystroke/mouse broadcaster but like I said, HKN has a few limitations (mainly for my ground target AoE's it is difficult and time consuming in a pinch to line them up right). I have a third account, which has my mains on it, but I was thinking of adding it in: if I can figure out how to effectively run 3 clients on this rig.

I run dual 19' monitors (both running at 1280x1024) and would like to effectively start up my own 3 man team (probably all mages since I have NO idea how you guys run different classes at the same time) or shammies. Anyway, if anyone can help with suggestions on if my rig could run 3, and how I could better manage the two slaves to use less memory/cpu so that I wouldn't crash everytime and have to hardboot, I would appreciate it, as well as any suggestions on the software to go with. =) Thanks!

Tovya
11-14-2009, 03:08 AM
Ughmahedhurtz
Try setting maxfpsbk to 10 or 15 if you haven't already, and maxfps to 40. Also, turn off all the graphics options and turn down the sliders to minimum on everything but terrain distance, which I would set to about 1/3. See what you get with that. I would also go check your NVidia control panel's 3D settings page and make sure you have the following settings if available:
- Anisotropic filtering = OFF
- Antialiasing = OFF
- Multi-displaly/mixed-GPU acceleration = Multiple display performance mode
- Texture filtering - Quality = PERFORMANCE
Then I would go set all your wow clients to 800x600 in-game resolution. (NOT maximizer! That's a different setting.)

See if those help any and let us know.

Cheers and GL!
Ugh
11-14-2009, 05:06 AM
Ualaa

If you're doing upgrades, a 64-bit operating system will let you use more then 3.x gigs of ram.
I'd suggest 1gb for the operating system and then 1gb per wow.
XP will run better on low end systems then either vista or win7.

You can get trial accounts (RAF to your own email), to see what your system can actually handle.
Without going out and buying extra accounts.
11-14-2009, 07:59 AM
Clone

Try looking at performance monitor to see what you are stalling on, be it processor or memory. If it turns out to be processor you could try overclocking. If its memory which I suspect it might be then you will need to buy some more ram which isnt that expensive.
11-14-2009, 09:26 AM
Tovya
Wow, replies first thing in the morning! Thank you guys. I'll start from the top:

@Ugh - If I understand you correctly about the first part, you're setting the max fps (frames per second) of the "master" at 40 and the "slaves" at 10-15, yes? However, I never knew there was a way to do that. =( [after searching google, I see they added the /console maxfpsbk and /console maxfps commands to the game in patch 2.1, thanks for pointing me in the right direction!] I had no clue you could actually set what your fps was. Normally, when running just one client I get around 65 fps out in the world and about 20-30 in Dalaran, but wouldn't 15fps make the slaves lose follow or would it really not effect performance too much out in the world? My settings in my NVIDIA panel were:
- Anisotropic filtering = ON
- Antialiasing (Gamma correction / Mode / Transparency) = ON / OFF / OFF
- Multi-displaly/mixed-GPU acceleration = Multiple display performance mode
- Texture filtering - Quality = QUALITY
However, all are now set to how you specified. I've been running the in-game clients at 1024x768 because of my extreme custom UI (79 addons... had 109 but I cut back a little lol) I needed space, but I think for the dual boxing I'll just cut back to the barebones addons I need and leave the full custom for my default WoW folder. Thank you! I'll post back when I've tested it out!!

@Ualaa - Well, I had thought about going for the 64-bit XP Pro, but again financials got in the way. Because I already had XP Home from previous computer, I just installed that. I'll be getting W7 Professional soon hopefully. Without cracking open my case, I believe I have 3 slots, but because I'm not using a 64-bit OS, I have (from my Belarc Advisor printout):

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3072 Megabytes Installed Memory Slot 'DIMM1' has 1024 MB Slot 'DIMM2' has 2048 MB

Which I could buy another 2G stick to replace my 1G stick and run with 4G total; that would leave me a way to dole out 1GB of RAM per OS/Client. I'll look into how to do that, thank you. Of course you can RAF to yourself...*facepalm* I never even thought about that lol. I've already got 3 accounts, simply because I originally started the old fashioned 2boxing with EQ waaaay back in the day (2boxing litterally meaning 2 'boxes' with a monitor/keyboard/mouse per each box). RAF to yourself makes sense, this way you just load up another client and run with it in newbie ville for 14 days... hopefully these settings will help. Thanks! =)

@Clone - I hadn't even thought about a preformance monitor. I've got so much !&$% on this computer that adding anything to it makes me cringe lol. That is a good suggestion though and will definitely help me figure out where I'm lacking in my rig, thanks!
11-14-2009, 10:15 AM
Naysayer

Ughmahedhurtz is one of the most helpful dudes around here, and he's usually spot on when he posts tips for the noobs. Just wanted to point that out. If you disagree you're wrong and probably a lying asshole.
11-14-2009, 10:26 AM
Naysayer

Tovya, can you post a more detailed spec's list and what kind of budget you have? I bet you'll get some really good upgrade suggestions if you take the time.
11-14-2009, 11:10 AM
Tovya

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Originally Posted by Naysayer

Tovya, can you post a more detailed spec's list and what kind of budget you have? I bet you'll get some really good upgrade suggestions if you take the time.

Absolutely! Here's my Belarc Advisor print out, hope it's enough detail :D

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Operating Sysytem: Windows XP Home Edition Service Pack 3 (build 2600) System Model: SYX snc302eeh Enclosure Type: Desktop Processor: 2.67 gigahertz Intel Core2 Duo 64 kilobyte primary memory cache 3072 kilobyte secondary memory cache Main Circuit Board: Board: MSI G31M3-F Intel G31 Bus Clock: 267 megahertz BIOS: American Megatrends Inc. V1.2B3 01/15/2009 Memory Modules: 3072 Megabytes Installed Memory Slot 'DIMM1' has 1024 MB Slot 'DIMM2' has 2048 MB Drives: 1500.06 Gigabytes Usable Hard Drive Capacity 706.17 Gigabytes Hard Drive Free Space COMBO 52X32X52X [CD-ROM drive] MagicISO Virtual DVD-ROM0000 [CD-ROM drive] MagicISO Virtual DVD-ROM0001 [CD-ROM drive] Hitachi HDP725050GLA360 [Hard drive] (500.11 GB) -- drive 0 WD 10EACS External USB Device [Hard drive] (1000.20 GB) -- drive 1 Local Drive Volumes: c: (NTFS on drive 0) 500.10 GB 309.70 GB free g: (FAT32 on drive 1) 999.96 GB 396.47 GB free Controllers: Intel(R) 82801G (ICH7 Family) Ultra ATA Storage Controllers - 27DF Intel(R) 82801GB/GR/GH (ICH7 Family) Serial ATA Storage Controller - 27C0 Primary IDE Channel [Controller] (2x) Secondary IDE Channel [Controller] (2x) Display: NVIDIA GeForce 9500 GT [Display adapter] AOC LM942 [Monitor] (19.1"vis, s/n 93069CA001959, September 2006) HSD Hanns.G iX191 [Monitor] (19.1"vis, s/n 841CH1NA00634, October 2008) Multimedia: Realtek High Definition Audio USB Audio Device Bus Adapters: MagicISO SCSI Host Controller Intel(R) 82801G (ICH7 Family) USB Universal Host Controller - 27C8 Intel(R) 82801G (ICH7 Family) USB Universal Host Controller - 27C9 Intel(R) 82801G (ICH7 Family) USB Universal Host Controller - 27CA Intel(R) 82801G (ICH7 Family) USB Universal Host Controller - 27CB Intel(R) 82801G (ICH7 Family) USB2 Enhanced Host Controller - 27CC Sony Ericsson seehcri Control Device

As for my budget, it's pretty much non-existent right now :( full time student + part time job = just enough to scrape by. Whoever said it's never too late to go back to school should have said "Except when the economy crashes" lol. Anyway... gradual expenses I can handle ($75 for two new sticks of DDR2 2GB RAM today, $150 for whatever next month, etc) just nothing major really.

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Originally Posted by Naysayer

Ughmahedhurtz is one of the most helpful dudes around here, and he's usually spot on when he posts tips for the noobs. Just wanted to point that out. If you disagree you're wrong and probably a lying asshole.

lol I kinda gathered that from reading his posts on the forums. I'll always take helpful advice =)
11-14-2009, 12:01 PM
Tovya

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Originally Posted by Clone

Try looking at performance monitor to see what you are stalling on, be it processor or memory. If it turns out to be processor you could try overclocking. If its memory which I suspect it might be then you will need to buy some more ram which isnt that expensive.

Clone, I'm using the default XP Performance Monitor (Control Panel > Admin Tools > Performance Monitor). I've never looked at this before, but I'm assuming that for the memory and processor lines, I want them to be as high as possible? Not sure what to look for to judge what is stalling where. ;-)
11-14-2009, 04:33 PM
Tovya

Well, I successfully multi-boxed three toons today in Shatt with no crashes. I ran the Performance Monitor and noticed some spikes in my memory, but there was no discernible difference in playing 3 vs 1 really.

Thank you everyone for your help there!

Now, to figure out which software to go with... I'm no coder, or I would stick with HKN, but having difficulties setting up 3 and where I want them positioned, along with dropping in my passwords and usernames. I've managed to get KC up and running on a 24-hr trial, and it is nice, but I miss the mouse broadcasting feature that HKN has (little things like setting up macros or killing sound on all my clients is faster to do with mouse broadcasting, as well as anything with ground targets). I'm going to give ISBoxer a whirl as well on their trial, see how I like it... I'm just concerned there about the subscription costs. Any suggestions on those three softwares?

Thanks!
11-14-2009, 09:16 PM
Boogieman

I really like HKN and its not just because its free it rocks it can handle mouse click aoe i use it for hunters volley all the time I can help you with it if you like
just tell me exactly what you want and I'll try to write it out for you i can do a whole script if you like im runnin 3 on it now so mostly i can copy and paste alot and you can fill in the blanks I am the furthest thing from a coder but once you get a handle on the syntax HKN is pretty strait forward

Edit I'm out tonight so it'll be later before i can write it for you
11-14-2009, 10:27 PM
Tovya

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Originally Posted by Boogieman

I really like HKN and its not just because its free it rocks it can handle mouse click aoe i use it for hunters volley all the time I can help you with it if you like
just tell me exactly what you want and I'll try to write it out for you i can do a whole script if you like im runnin 3 on it now so mostly i can copy and paste alot and you can fill in the blanks I am the furthest thing from a coder but once you get a handle on the syntax HKN is pretty strait forward

Hey Boogieman,

Thanks for the reply! With the exception of the few tweaks that I need on the script (actually would need two scripts I guess... one for a 2man team and another script for a 3man team) I think HKN is great, but I've got the 7 day trial of IS running right now, and I gotta say I'm really liking the setup (not so much the subscription lol). I really do appreciate the offer, and if I do decide to stick with HKN, I'll definitely take you up on that. ;-) For now though, going to give IS a whirl. =)

Tov
11-15-2009, 03:18 AM
Boogieman

All good If you do decide on HKN I also have a 2 box script i wrote i can copy and paste most and insert your custom keys pretty easy just post here I'm subscribed to the thread I'll watch for you
11-15-2009, 04:11 AM
Naysayer

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Originally Posted by Tovya

As for my budget, it's pretty much non-existent right now :( full time student + part time job = just enough to scrape by. Whoever said it's never too late to go back to school should have said "Except when the economy crashes" lol. Anyway... gradual expenses I can handle ($75 for two new sticks of DDR2 2GB RAM today, $150 for whatever next month, etc) just nothing major really.

You say you're already upgrading to 4g of ram, which is what you need to do, but you won't notice much of a performance increase until you upgrade to windows vista 64 or windows 7. Your motherboard maxes at 4g, and you should switch it out for a better one, but that isn't necessary if you're happy with it's performance while running 4g ram and vista/7. It would just allow you to eventually drop in more ram, which would let you run everything at a better level of settings, faster loading of all 4 guys, and smoother framerate. You're running the MSI G31 while the G41 will run 8g ram at only $60.00 on newegg.com, and everything (processor, current ram, ect) will transfer over easily.

Just a little overview of what I'd do if I were you.
-buy vista 64
-increase ram to 6-8 gigs
-buy new motherboard
-overclock the processor to a fairly safe speed with no extra cooling required. (lots of easy to follow guides to do this)
11-15-2009, 06:23 AM
Ualaa

Until you get a 64-bit OS (I'd go Win7 over XP), the ram is pretty pointless.
You have 3gb now, and a 32-bit OS can allocate up to 3.25gb of ram.

With Vista/Win7, you'd ideally like 1GB for the Operating System.
And an additional 1GB per wow account running.
It will run with less, but 6-8GB is good for 5-boxing.
11-15-2009, 12:21 PM
Tovya

Thank you all three for your replies, extremely helpful! Ok, so here goes...

I'm currently a college student, so going to take full advantage of the $29.99 Windows 7 Pro offer. Can my computer run 64-bit? I bought this PC from tigerdirect.com for about $600 without the OS because I already had Win XP Home 32-bit sitting next to me. Motherboard swap outs aren't hard, luckily I know how to transfer everything over ;-) I'll definitely look into it. If my PC can handle the 64-bit version of Win 7 Pro then I'd go that route as I know with 64-bit OS's you can get more than 4g out of your RAM (friend of mine has 3 slots in his motherboard, 6GB RAM, and his OS is 32-bit...*facepalm*).

Thanks!