Oh snap Arena Pts for BGs!

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11-03-2009, 08:01 PM
Multibocks

Oh snap Arena Pts for BGs!

Check out the updated 3.3 notes!

Quote:

Originally Posted by mmo-champion

General
Meeting Stones: To use any Meeting Stone, it is only required that the character’s minimum level be 15. There is no maximum character level requirement for any Meeting Stone.

PvP
Battlegrounds
All level 71-80 Battlegrounds will now award victors 25 Arena points in addition to Honor.
Wintergrasp
You must now have the following ranks to build or pilot siege vehicles:
Rank 2: Build/pilot Catapults.
Rank 3: Build/pilot Demolishers.
Rank 3: Build/pilot Siege Engines.

Death Knight
Army of the Dead: The cooldown on this ability has been reduced from 20 minutes to 10 minutes. Army Ghoul damage dropped by 50%. Cannot be used in Arenas.
Raise Ally: The cooldown on this ability has been reduced from 15 minutes to 10 minutes. Cannot be used in Arenas.
Rune Strike: Threat generated by this ability increased by approximately 17%.

Mage
Frost
Fingers of Frost: This talent now triggers immediately on casting a spell rather than being delayed until the spell strikes the target.

Paladin
Divine Intervention: Cooldown on this ability has been reduced from 20 minutes to 10 minutes. Cannot be used in Arenas.
Flash of Light: This spell no longer causes a heal-over-time effect unless the player has the Infusion of Light talent.
Lay on Hands: This ability now places Forbearance on the target and cannot be used on a target with Forbearance.
Holy
Infusion of Light: This talent now causes the paladin’s Flash of Light spells to heal the target for 50/100% of the Flash of Light healing amount over 12 seconds.
Protection
Aura Mastery: This effect of this talent has been reduced in duration to 6 seconds.
Sacred Shield: The damage absorption effect from this ability now triggers only once every 30 seconds.

Shaman
Earth Elemental Totem: The cooldown for this totem has been reduced from 20 minutes to 10 minutes. Cannot be used in Arenas.
Fire Elemental Totem: The cooldown for this totem has been reduced from 20 minutes to 10 minutes. Cannot be used in Arenas.

Warlock
Pets
Inferno: The cooldown on this summoning spell has been reduced from 20 minutes to 10 minutes. Cannot be used in Arenas.

User Interface
Group Disenchanting Option: In addition to rolling Need or Greed on items, players now have the option to elect for an item to be disenchanted if an enchanter of the appropriate skill level is in the group. Disenchant works exactly like Greed except if a player wins the Greed roll, they will receive the disenchanted materials instead. Players who choose Need will always win the item and will always beat those that choose Greed or Disenchant.

edit: Hmm 25 pts seems like a lot given most items cost in the thousands. Gearing up in arena will be much faster now if you have the rating.
11-03-2009, 08:11 PM
Ughmahedhurtz

Heh, the shammy elemental totem drop from 20 mins to 10 mins is nifty.
11-03-2009, 08:33 PM
Kalros

Hell yeah, it is!
11-03-2009, 08:41 PM
remanz

Quote:

Originally Posted by Multibocks

Flash of Light: This spell no longer causes a heal-over-time effect unless the player has the Infusion of Light talent.

Did they just kill the ret healing or what
11-03-2009, 08:52 PM
Fizzler

NICE! 10 Minute DI and 10 Minute elementals.

Maybe Horde will take AV more seriously on my battlegroup.
11-03-2009, 09:29 PM
asonimie

This is a fucking horrible idea. This has nothing to do with "elite groups" and helping the "casual player." It's the exact opposite - they are taking Arena: the 1 thing where I can use my talents 1-2 hours a week and reap full rewards, and turning it into a speed run 10 hour/day grind fest for 2 weeks, then sit fully geared with nothing to look forward to for 2 months....

All this will do is create MORE mindless grinding in an aspect of the game that should be force rationed over time, like it is now. Elite teams will hit 2000 rating, grind arena points for 1 week and be fully geared in 10 days, while the "casual" player gets fucked and has to play arena games against VASTLY over-geared elitist opponents.

This is not a free ride for gear, you still need proper rating, and that comes from success and wins. You can have 5000 arena points and still be 2 seasons behind in gear because you have no rating. Therefore the only people who will benefit from this are the extremist elite arena players who grind 2k in 1 week.

I'm done with this shit.
11-03-2009, 09:29 PM
Gadzooks

Arena points? They better have a serious as fucking death cure for AFKers, because that means massive botting and AFKing for Arena gear.

I love the change, I might even PvP my team now, but seriously, if they don't have something in place for the cheaters, you'll have one or two people fighting matches, if you're lucky - except for Wintergrasp, most likely.

AV will be 40 AFKers vs. 40 AFKers. Just watch.

Edited to add, forgot about the ratings.

So yeah. AFK your way to 5000 Arena points, then buy a spot on a team to get your rating, buy gear. No problem.

Win trading is probably going to make a BIG comeback with this.
11-03-2009, 09:37 PM
asonimie

Ok whew update - I did some more digging around and here is the situation:

25 arena points awarded for daily BG quest, not the BGs themselves. So the grindfest issue isn't as much of an issue. I'm much more comfortable with this idea. Just gotta remember to always do the daily :P
11-03-2009, 09:41 PM
heyaz

Hmm, well first thought is now I can make up for having a ton of rating but no points. Can tell you one thing though - at 2k rating I won't even bother queueing anymore except for 10 games for 800-1000 points. Would rather grind BGs - easier and more fun in gear than the aoe cheesefest that is 5v5 arena.

But other thoughts are how will this affect the rest of the season, and next season? Will people just grind out the rating in 3v3 then not bother queueing but 10 games a week (or not at all)? Or will it encourage the not-so-elite teams to play arena more because they have all the points in the world but no rating (and have to play all week to get it?) You could argue either way. Obviously the elite players won't have to bother past 2200 unless they want titles.

Or will it even go live

Edit: Ok nevermind. Well, at least in a week or so I can make up for always being 100-200 points short for an upgrade every week.
11-03-2009, 09:43 PM
thinus

10 min Fire Elementals in AV is going to be great.
11-03-2009, 10:25 PM
Kruschpakx4
- All level 71-80 Battleground daily quests will now award 25 Arena points in addition to their current rewards.
11-03-2009, 10:29 PM
Fat Tire
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kruschpakx4

All level 71-80 Battleground daily quests will now award 25 Arena points in addition to their current rewards.
Only the beginning.....

Lowering the cost for arena items is next......
11-04-2009, 01:20 AM
Clovis

An ability to get arena points outside of the weekly update would have been nice for when I was 50-100 points shy of my next piece.

What happened to rated BGs with arena gear? I was looking forward to that but now I can't seem to find any info on it beyond what was posted two+ months ago.
11-04-2009, 02:58 AM
Ualaa

I would assume, once you have a high rating, you'd just do Battlegrounds.
Because... you will destroy in BG's, and avoid the cleave type teams too.

Plus, your high rating is good for the entire season.
So not playing means you keep the rating without risk of losing it.
And still make a lot of arena points just from the BG playing.

The only reason to really keep going is if you want to raise the rating.
11-04-2009, 03:15 AM
heyaz

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ualaa

I would assume, once you have a high rating, you'd just do Battlegrounds.
Because... you will destroy in BG's, and avoid the cleave type teams too.

Plus, your high rating is good for the entire season.
So not playing means you keep the rating without risk of losing it.
And still make a lot of arena points just from the BG playing.

The only reason to really keep going is if you want to raise the rating.

It's daily quests only.. 175 points a week will never get you geared
11-04-2009, 03:18 AM
Ualaa

175 a week, is certainly quite a bit less then 25 pts per battleground, with as many BG's per day as you'd care to run.

When I was battleground gearing my shammies, I ran mostly AV's 12-14 hours a day for 5 weeks... at 25 pts per BG, that would have been a lot of points.
11-04-2009, 06:11 AM
Bettysue

All level 71-80 Battleground daily quests will now award 25 Arena points in addition to their current rewards.

I bolded and underlined the operative words in the patch note for you Ualaa. No matter how many BGs you run you can't get more than 175 pts a week. (7x25=175 for the slower math people like myself :P)

I'm of course referencing the official PTR patch notes and not MMO-Champion.
11-04-2009, 06:14 AM
Hurricane

I think the only way to get arena points from BGs is to play "Rated BGs". Im not sure wether or not you can just join rated BGs like we do now or if you actually have to have a full team of 15 players to play f.g. Arathi Basin.
11-04-2009, 09:18 PM
daviddoran

I wonder what the glyph of fire elemental totem will do now.... cut it down to 5 min? Increase the HP of the totem? or increase damage of said elemental?
11-10-2009, 03:10 PM
Gramzngunz

Quote:

Originally Posted by daviddoran

I wonder what the glyph of fire elemental totem will do now.... cut it down to 5 min? Increase the HP of the totem? or increase damage of said elemental?

I don't know but I hope it's good! I really enjoy the elementals. I ran dual spec w/ 10 min elementals glyphed for world pvp adventures so I could use them more often in Stormwind and Ironforge, now we essentially get the glyph for free now (and it didn't' mention a nerfing like the Army of Dead damage) :D
If the glyph adds something really fun to elementals I can see myself making a 2nd elemental pvp build again w/ the glyph for world pvp adventures.

I was working on a 4 dk team just for fun and was really looking forward to 4x army of the dead. Sorry to see it get nerfed. I never really thought it was THAT powerful of a move anyway. (maybe that's just because i instakilled the DK that summoned them and they all vanish though i donno lol)

I also love the lay on hands change. when playing solo it was so annoying to get the paladin to nothing, he bubbles heals to full, then beat him down again somehow, to have him lay on hands instantly to full health and laugh and spit on me while he finishes me off.
11-10-2009, 05:02 PM
Multibocks

Sad thing is he needed to bubble/LoH to beat you. Does that tell you anything about the offensive power of a paladin?