Prot Warriors

This is kind of a rant(no wait... it IS a rant.) I have a new team with a warrior tank and he is getting pretty geared (33k unbuffed maybe 34 I forget). Anyways after a few heroics one thing I have noticed is:
1. AoE is AWFUL. See that pack over there? Ya you are going to have to TC and Shockwave before your dps start in with their AoE spells. Oops someone overaggrod? NP taunt and beat on that one. Ooops 2 adds went for healer? Shit! Hit AoE taunt. Fuck! Healer died.... I cant tell you how many times this has happened. Compared to Paladins warriors suck balls at AoE.
2. Single target is not so bad. Warriors need a lot of pregame warmup to do effective tanking. Once you establish aggro you are usually good to go, comparitively on my shaman/paladin team I dont have to wait at all and never lose aggro.

So what did I gain with a warrior tank? Spell reflect, which is F*ckin awesome. Uhm Shield Wall, ok paladins have that. Hmm, Last Stand. Charge? Yea kinda neat.

At this point I'm afraid to take my warrior to tank Ony10, even though he has the health/mitigation/avoidance to do it easily. I'm just scared of the whelps phase where I gotta keep them on me with 5 aggro magnet mages blizzarding. PuG people dont understand that waiting 3secs before you start dps is a good thing. Hell on my paladin as soon as I pull Ony I see 50k dots and shit going off. If it wasnt for misdirect Im sure Ony would splat the dps. I also want to do ToC Heroic, but I know the ghouls will just destroy my dps because my warrior sucks balls at AoE aggro. Le sigh. I should have used my DK tank that was already 80 for this group. =/

I never had aggro issues single box tanking on my prot warrior. Just charge in, thunder clap, take a step back, and shockwave stun em all. Then it's just basically devastate and cleave until tc and sw are off cd. If you can't charge the caster type or if there is more than one of them use heroic throw on them to pull them to you to make sure they get your aoe too.

I actually thought holding aggro was easier as warrior when not boxing but it does take more concentration which makes it harder while boxing.

See Sig.

No issues whatsoever with aggro.

http://www.ocmojo.com/zzyzxx/H-COS.wmv <-- warrior POV, might give you some ideas.

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Originally Posted by Fursphere

When you over-aggro three mobs?

1) Taunt
2) Concussion blow (its a stun and also high threat)
3) Mocking Blow

And Intervene is your friend, just write the macro so you can "intervene" the mob, not the player.

What I normally do is intervene the mob, spin 180 and shockwave, then charge back to the mobs you were taking a second ago. (ya, I'm fast). I having problems playing my warrior to this level WHILE boxing, so that's why I don't use him much. But solo tanking I can tear shit up. :D

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Good rotation on re-aggroing mobs. I do things a little different. As soon as I see mobs going for the formation I stop my tank clicker and do this ->

challenging shout,shockwave,thunderclap

then back to normal rotation. I know challanging shout has a 3 min cooldown, but this situation very rarely happens. And when it does, it almost never happens twice. And when it does, it is late in the battle and doesn't really matter if one the the other toons takes damage.

Drommon

I've played a prot warrior solo forever. AoE is fine if you play smart and don't pug. If stuff goes wrong aggro-wise it can be tough to get it under control and if things are wild i can be tough (adds on Sarth) but I love my prot warrior. I am a little biased though.

When i started boxing i tried a pally tank. It felt like cheating. B^ )

Hmm I will try PuGing ToC heroic tonight since its the daily and see whats happens, lol. Hopefully I can handle it. Anyone here do Ony with their warrior? I do realize all the taunt weapons warriors have, but comparatively a paladin (hell DKs and druids too) is cheating on AoE. One spell can hold aggro easily.

one, if you dont have it already, get glyph of cleave, then cleave at all times. SW and TC are good aggro attacks, but its only a single attack and doesnt tick like consecrate. also, youre pretty much wasting your time with improved spell reflect. a build you should be using is 15/3/53. the goal in arms is to get deep wounds which will help tons with aggro.

as long as you cleave the shit out of everything and keep SW and TC on cool-down you should be fine. also, if youre hit/exp is lacking its gonna nerf your threat, so id suggest working on it some if its low. AoE tanking with a warrior is rough, takes time and patience to get good at it.

Who said I took improved spell reflect? I do use 15/3/53 btw.

edit: found out one of my problems, warlock's armor buff heals him and when I would pull a pack they would run straight by me for the warlock and gib him. I now know I have a limited amount of time to get off some AoE damage or hes toast.

My first team to do instances was a Prot Pally with 4x Shammies.
One of the shammies is dual spec for Resto when I want it.

This team has an easy time in instances.
The pally never loses aggro on single mobs, if the pally pulls.
And gets it fast, if the shammies pull with chain lightning for mobs outside of the pallies range.
And for AoE targets, the pally has passive threat from block, retribution aura etc.



My mixed team started to do instances.
Disc Priest healer at 75th, Feral bear at 76th and 70-72's Elemental Shaman, Affliction Warlock and at the time Frost Mage.
There were no issues on single target threat.
However, the druid had serious issues at AoE threat.
The priest could take aggro on secondary mobs from heals.
And the Shammy could using the click castsequence FS-LvB-CL-LB, which is CL 3-4 seconds into a pull and then every 3.5 seconds thereafter, unless recasting FS/LvB.
The pally at 71st was a much stronger tank for secondary targets when boxed, then the druid at 76th...

However, when I one-box the druid, I have no issues with threat for singles or groups.
It's just the pally is incredibly easy to box, for both single and aoe threat.
The warrior might be in this category - amazing one-boxed, but too many things to click on demand to be boxed very effectively for multiple target pulls; not sure on this, have never boxed a warrior.

Have not really tried the druid in instances since...
But have broken their moves down to three buttons, instead of a click sequence.
Which imitates the moves I most frequently use when one boxing.
And then have the dps with their click sequences on each of these keybinds.

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The priest could take aggro on secondary mobs from heals.

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I box all druids, and sometimes I also run into trouble with mobs attacking my healers. They almost never attack the boomkins.... I swipe and swipe, challenge roar etc. but still im unable to not getting some aggro on my healer once in a while. I guess its because I suck :D

I just have to look at the Moo's and im confident in my team.

I'm convinced a druid tank needs access to a lot of abilities.
Because when I one-box the druid, I have no issues on single target or multiple target pulls.

So, it is definitely doable.
But not necessarily easy to macro into a one-button spam system.
I'd like a one-button spam system, as that would make the druid far easier to box.
Or even a two button system, one for single target and one for multi-target pulls.

It's not a huge issue.
My mixed team is leveling, because the toons were already 70th with epic flyers.
At 80th, that's an extra 1100g in one hour of dailies.
The tank doesn't have to be amazing, as there are really only two group dailies I do.
And then a bunch of mobs which will die very fast to any 5-box composition.

sorry, i was at work and couldnt look at your armory and i read something in your op wrong and thought you mentioned spell reflect for your toons.

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Originally Posted by Ualaa

I'm convinced a druid tank needs access to a lot of abilities.
Because when I one-box the druid, I have no issues on single target or multiple target pulls.

So, it is definitely doable.
But not necessarily easy to macro into a one-button spam system.
I'd like a one-button spam system, as that would make the druid far easier to box.
Or even a two button system, one for single target and one for multi-target pulls.

It's not a huge issue.
My mixed team is leveling, because the toons were already 70th with epic flyers.
At 80th, that's an extra 1100g in one hour of dailies.
The tank doesn't have to be amazing, as there are really only two group dailies I do.
And then a bunch of mobs which will die very fast to any 5-box composition.

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Same Single box druid = great aggro, I could actually out aggro many warriors for awhile (They might have sucked alot but that wasn't the point)
But it required alot of buttons...I tried to box my druid and was sorely surprised at how many buttons I would have had to mingle into a couple click macros....scary the changes are

Warrior tho, I am leveling one with shammies now and tbh I never have trouble with aoe or single target threat unless I get a bad timed stun or miss a tremor pulse on a random fear, even with disarm...TC/Shock = win even still

Havent tanked with a druid in a while, but when I did, I just hotted him up beforehand, and built up some rage and charged in, and just waited a while until I got swipes in. Then i started. Paladins are just easy to front load the threat, whilst other classes of tanks need time to build it up.

Eventually, for heroics at least, you wont need much healing at all. My tank is just about at 40k hp buffed in my heroic group (improved fort, sanct, and Imp) and i just throw a renew, and a PW:S and go to town, rarely needing anything more, except some AoE damage heavy fights (Drakkari Colossus....) My priest just spams smite for 1.4k dps...

Did they make PWShield generate rage for warriors or is it still kinda crappy?

i have a prot pally (tbc), dk, and now warrior tank for my mixed-class group. all my accounts are cancelled until 3.3 for now, but it took me about 2 weeks to "gear up" my warrior. Warriors are DEFINITELY harder to multibox tank than pallys (easiest/best) or DKs, but once you struggle through and get the gear its not bad at all. I solo tank toc25, ony25, and even did a togc10 to anub this week on my warrior and he's been 80 for under a month. I'd say warriors are the most fun tanks since there just are a lot of things you can press while still feeling powerful, pallys are just sooo boring - consecrate and AFK.

A huge huge huge thing is simply gear, until you reach a good level of dodge/parry/block warriors take really big, big hits. I wiped sooooo much in heroic toc until my warrior was around 545 def, 36k hp, and 40%+ dodge/block/parry. After that it became easy.

this is my tank spam macro, I never have to really do much except spam it:

#showtooltip
/castsequence reset=combat/target Devastate, Devastate, Devastate, Devastate, Devastate, Shield Slam, Rend, Heroic Strike
/startattack

I do use devastate and sunder armor glyphs, forgot what the 3d is (shield block or shield wall?). its not a perfect macro, and I manually have to click revenge when it procs, and of course I manually shock wave early on. haven't had huge threat issues though when 5 boxing or solo and my guys are geared well.

Being an engineer is a HUUUGE help for a warrior tank, since I can rocket blast + heroic throw at the beginning of every boss pull for a nice 5k chunk of threat.